Wilkes and Phoenix Help

I hope someone can possibly steer me in the right direction (no pun intended) on the North Wilkesboro and Phoenix tracks in NASCAR Racing. I've done well and can run up front on most of the tracks, but these two continue to cause problems for me. I really like Wilkesboro, but I've only been able to reach slightly over 109 mph in qualifying. I also have quite a bit of trouble running in traffic there. I've tried various set-ups and adjustments, but nothing seems to achieve any better results than the standard qualifying set-up. Also, the car is always a bit too loose for quick acceleration, but brushes with the outside wall are too close as it is without tightening the set-up. Does anyone know how I can get a good qualifying speed at Wilkesboro and how I can keep the car stable for actual races? At Phoenix, I have no problems achieving good speeds and can get the pole, but racing in traffic is next to impossible. I can't keep the car stable enough and many of the computer drivers do not respect my line. I AM using the Formula T2 steering wheel and pedals, in case you want to know. Any help would be appreciated. Kirn Cromur

>Unfortunately, the fast > times at the Glen are done by cutting through the grass in the loop. > Dave "davids" Sparks > Late Nite League > http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html Also in the long sweeping right hander after the Double Chicane, keep your speeds around 90-92 so you will be in "shape" to really accel coming out of that long sweeper.. A lot of people barrel too fast going in. vetteracer --

> "Days of Thunder" -- Nascar realism??? talk about an oxymoron. > -- > reach me here... Whaaaaaat?? Doesn't every WC driver get his start by riding in on a Harley to Daytona and setting the pole speed in someone elses car on the 3rd lap?? <g> (Well maybe Tim Richmond....) {Course I thought of Days of Thunder when John Andretti decided to run into Bobby Hamilton after the race...} vetteracer..

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>I hope someone can possibly steer me in the right direction (no pun >intended) on the North Wilkesboro and Phoenix tracks in NASCAR Racing. >I've done well and can run up front on most of the tracks, but these two >continue to cause problems for me. I really like Wilkesboro, but I've only >been able to reach slightly over 109 mph in qualifying. I also have quite >a bit of trouble running in traffic there. I've tried various set-ups and >adjustments, but nothing seems to achieve any better results than the >standard qualifying set-up. Also, the car is always a bit too loose for >quick acceleration, but brushes with the outside wall are too close as it >is without tightening the set-up. Does anyone know how I can get a good >qualifying speed at Wilkesboro and how I can keep the car stable for actual >races? >At Phoenix, I have no problems achieving good speeds and can get the pole, >but racing in traffic is next to impossible. I can't keep the car stable >enough and many of the computer drivers do not respect my line. I AM using >the Formula T2 steering wheel and pedals, in case you want to know. Any >help would be appreciated. >Kirn Cromur

These two tracks are among the worst at exacerbating the physics bug in NASCAR. It's a lot easier to get a decent setup running MULTI. My suggestion is to try a little more negative camber on the RF and positive camber on the LF. This will help the car get through the corner. You can also try reducing RF tire pressure and increasing RR tire pressure. The car should not be quite as loose at the beginning, but after the tires warm up, it will start loosening up, hopefully about the time the car starts getting tight due to the weight shift bug. Just accept that you're going to lose a few positions at the start while the car comes in. Dave "davids" Sparks Late Nite League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

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>>I hope someone can possibly steer me in the right direction (no pun >>intended) on the North Wilkesboro and Phoenix tracks in NASCAR Racing. >>I've done well and can run up front on most of the tracks, but these two >>continue to cause problems for me. I really like Wilkesboro, but I've only >>been able to reach slightly over 109 mph in qualifying. I also have quite >>a bit of trouble running in traffic there. I've tried various set-ups and >>adjustments, but nothing seems to achieve any better results than the >>standard qualifying set-up. Also, the car is always a bit too loose for >>quick acceleration, but brushes with the outside wall are too close as it >>is without tightening the set-up. Does anyone know how I can get a good >>qualifying speed at Wilkesboro and how I can keep the car stable for actual >>races? >>At Phoenix, I have no problems achieving good speeds and can get the pole, >>but racing in traffic is next to impossible. I can't keep the car stable >>enough and many of the computer drivers do not respect my line. I AM using >>the Formula T2 steering wheel and pedals, in case you want to know. Any >>help would be appreciated. >>Kirn Cromur

Let's see now, Wilkes, the "traction bug" is present here big time!! Try using "soft shocks, and brake early." Your line is very important here!! I have slowed all the way down 85 mph in the turns and still managed a 116.xxx. My personal blap is a 118.730mph. For racing, take a comfortable speed around the track. Don't always be aggessive, and your tires will like you for that. Phoenix, hmm..how do I start?? It's your line again. You see even though it looks like an oval, it's actually a road course. Since each turn is different. I have managed a 135.6xxx there in testing. Now keep in mind, when you download all the setups on the "net", don't have "high" expectations of running a "fastlap", okay. I personally feel you should learn howto setup a car first, before venturing out for setups. You can get ideas when you use the setups that you have downloaded though. have any questions just email me..cool?? take care.. Julian data #0004

>> "Days of Thunder" -- Nascar realism??? talk about an oxymoron. >Whaaaaaat?? Doesn't every WC driver get his start by riding in on a >Harley to Daytona and setting the pole speed in someone elses >car on the 3rd lap?? <g> (Well maybe Tim Richmond....) >{Course I thought of Days of Thunder when John Andretti decided to >run into Bobby Hamilton after the race...} or Michael Waltrip's "discussion" with Lake Speed on pit road after Michigan last year. Matt Myers --------------------------------------------- Expressing individualism is just plain wrong. Crow T. Robot

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>Let's see now, Wilkes, the "traction bug" is present here big time!! >Try using "soft shocks, and brake early." Your line is very important >here!! I have slowed all the way down 85 mph in the turns and still >managed a 116.xxx. My personal blap is a 118.730mph. For racing, take >a comfortable speed around the track. Don't always be aggessive, and >your tires will like you for that. >Phoenix, hmm..how do I start?? It's your line again. You see even >though it looks like an oval, it's actually a road course. Since each >turn is different. I have managed a 135.6xxx there in testing.

You really should be racing on Hawaii, you would clean up. The best qual at N.Wilkes is a 112.917, I think best laps are probably running about 114-115 in the sprint races. The best qual is Phoenix is 132.887 and I imagine the best sprint laps are probably 133-134. The other track you mentioned was Watkins Glen where you qualifed at 123.xxx, and the best qual on Hawaii was a 121.372. I'd love to see how you've managed to best everyone at three of the toughest tracks by 2 MPH. How about posting replays of those fast laps on the binaries group so we can all see how it's done? Dave "davids" Sparks Late Nite League http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

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>>Let's see now, Wilkes, the "traction bug" is present here big time!! >>Try using "soft shocks, and brake early." Your line is very important >>here!! I have slowed all the way down 85 mph in the turns and still >>managed a 116.xxx. My personal blap is a 118.730mph. For racing, take >>a comfortable speed around the track. Don't always be aggessive, and >>your tires will like you for that. >>Phoenix, hmm..how do I start?? It's your line again. You see even >>though it looks like an oval, it's actually a road course. Since each >>turn is different. I have managed a 135.6xxx there in testing. >You really should be racing on Hawaii, you would clean up. The best qual at >N.Wilkes is a 112.917, I think best laps are probably running about 114-115 >in the sprint races. The best qual is Phoenix is 132.887 and I imagine the >best sprint laps are probably 133-134. The other track you mentioned was >Watkins Glen where you qualifed at 123.xxx, and the best qual on Hawaii was >a 121.372. I'd love to see how you've managed to best everyone at three of >the toughest tracks by 2 MPH. How about posting replays of those fast laps >on the binaries group so we can all see how it's done? >Dave "davids" Sparks >Late Nite League >http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

Dave, Sure!!! I will post when they will be up, okay?? As soon as I calm down from GP2, sound kewl?? take care.. Julian Data IVGA#0004

>Whaaaaaat?? Doesn't every WC driver get his start by riding in on a >Harley to Daytona and setting the pole speed in someone elses >car on the 3rd lap?? <g> (Well maybe Tim Richmond....) Hmmm... It was C***te, not Daytona. Nevermind the track, it's still a ridiculous notion. Still, I kinda liked the movie. Nevermind the pile of BS; listening to it in Surround Sound is awesome!! -- "Just turn and burn fellas...They'll just have to drive around the mess left behind..." Julio C. Chacon, Jr. Officially Sanctioned Racing Fanatic and Proud '85 Mustang GT Owner!!

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>>Whaaaaaat?? Doesn't every WC driver get his start by riding in on a >>Harley to Daytona and setting the pole speed in someone elses >>car on the 3rd lap?? <g> (Well maybe Tim Richmond....) >Hmmm... It was C***te, not Daytona. Nevermind the track, it's still a >ridiculous notion. Still, I kinda liked the movie. Nevermind the pile of BS; >listening to it in Surround Sound is awesome!! >-- >"Just turn and burn fellas...They'll just have to drive around the mess left >behind..." > Julio C. Chacon, Jr. >Officially Sanctioned Racing Fanatic >and Proud '85 Mustang GT Owner!!

Actually, it WAS Daytona. Kyle Langston

What's funny about that movie is that NASCAR and everyone associated with it (teams, drivers, etc) absolutely hated the movie. The studio went in saying they wanted to make a movie really portraying what it's like to be a driver in NASCAR. When the movie came out, NASCAR and others associated with the sport were livid. Adam Papyrus

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>>>Whaaaaaat?? Doesn't every WC driver get his start by riding in on a >>>Harley to Daytona and setting the pole speed in someone elses >>>car on the 3rd lap?? <g> (Well maybe Tim Richmond....) >>Hmmm... It was C***te, not Daytona. Nevermind the track, it's still a >>ridiculous notion. Still, I kinda liked the movie. Nevermind the pile of BS; >>listening to it in Surround Sound is awesome!! >Actually, it WAS Daytona.

What part of the movie were you talking about? If you're talking about the scene near the beginning when he rides in and drives the wheels off Rowdy Burns' car in that test session, then that was C***te. If you're talking about the first race of the season, the race where he and Rowdy have their big crash, or the CLIMACTIC ending to the movie, then that was Daytona. Trust me, I've only seen the movie about thirty times (great Surround Sound!!!) -- "Just turn and burn fellas...They'll just have to drive around the mess left behind..." Julio C. Chacon, Jr. Officially Sanctioned Racing Fanatic and Proud '85 Mustang GT Owner!!

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>says... >>>>Whaaaaaat?? Doesn't every WC driver get his start by riding in on a >>>>Harley to Daytona and setting the pole speed in someone elses >>>>car on the 3rd lap?? <g> (Well maybe Tim Richmond....) >>>Hmmm... It was C***te, not Daytona. Nevermind the track, it's still a >>>ridiculous notion. Still, I kinda liked the movie. Nevermind the pile of BS; >>>listening to it in Surround Sound is awesome!! >>Actually, it WAS Daytona. >What part of the movie were you talking about? If you're talking about the >scene near the beginning when he rides in and drives the wheels off Rowdy >Burns' car in that test session, then that was C***te. If you're talking >about the first race of the season, the race where he and Rowdy have their big >crash, or the CLIMACTIC ending to the movie, then that was Daytona.

I seem to remember high banks in that initial sequence, ala Daytona. Perhaps the next time it comes on network TV (CBS, perhaps?)

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>-- >"Just turn and burn fellas...They'll just have to drive around the mess left >behind..." > Julio C. Chacon, Jr. >Officially Sanctioned Racing Fanatic >and Proud '85 Mustang GT Owner!!

Kyle Langston

You can't take anything in that movie seriously. That's why it's referred to as 'The NASCAR Follies' Also I hope noone uses that movie as an inspiration to drive MP. If so, I'm gonna climb in the tub and open up an artery! (g) ===================================================================== C H A R L O T T E M O T O R S P E E D W A Y ------------------------------------------------------------------- // // Mark (Difficult at Darlington) McCuen // Caribou/IverSport #35 Hooters Monte Carlo ___/#D\__/ - __ Papyrus Closed Beta Team (8/95) [_()_35_()] _ --- ID: markmc // HCS/ProHCS // http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/m/v/mvwooten/system.txt -----------------------------------------------------------------

How could you watch that movie 30 times? I'm a big Nascar fan and I had trouble watching the whole thing. The whole story was weak. The driving scenes were really stupid. Every race someone was telling their pits that they were gonna "put him in the wall". They tried to make Nascar exciting for idiots that watch movies. How gay. Chris

Sounds a lot like the Hawaii ***s we all know!!!!!!! I'm sure the ***s always think "Gonna put him in the wall." Nothing personal, just joking around. Mark