GP2: Poor performance on ATI Mach 64...

Could somebody explain to me why GP2 rates the "ATI Graphics Pro Turbo PCI (Mach 64)" at a video speed of 57? I am by no means an expert in the PC arena of graphics cards, but it was my impression that a PCI based Mach 64 should perform better than this? Is there some configuration utility that will let me "unleash the power" of the Mach 64, or is it hopeless? It is really sad that we have this card in a P6... Thanks, Berend

: Could somebody explain to me why GP2 rates the "ATI Graphics Pro Turbo : PCI (Mach 64)" at a video speed of 57? I am by no means an expert in the : PC arena of graphics cards, but it was my impression that a PCI based : Mach 64 should perform better than this? That's interesting. I am running GP2 on a p5-90 16 mb memory Mach64 PCI card with 2meg memory and I get the following results: Speed (c.f. DX2-66): 175 Video speed: 108 I don't know if it helps, but I using the new m64vbe vesa 2.00 when I boot up. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>: Could somebody explain to me why GP2 rates the "ATI Graphics Pro Turbo >: PCI (Mach 64)" at a video speed of 57? I am by no means an expert in the >: PC arena of graphics cards, but it was my impression that a PCI based >: Mach 64 should perform better than this? >That's interesting. I am running GP2 on a p5-90 16 mb memory Mach64 PCI >card with 2meg memory and I get the following results: >Speed (c.f. DX2-66): 175 >Video speed: 108 >I don't know if it helps, but I using the new m64vbe vesa 2.00 when I >boot up. >-- >**************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

here are my scores with a p90 / mach64 2 meg dram I use a 430 fx chipset in my motherboard. Windows 95 dos mode. 16 meg memory, like that even matters. Speed (c.f. DX2-66): 175 :( Video speed: 142 :D I tried it with and without the m64vbe.com vesa driver and the video speed is exactly the same (double checked it too) but it seems to me that my processor usage is a bit lower with the m64vbe running, just my opinion. Jeff

On Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:15:54 -0400, Berend Ozceri

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>Could somebody explain to me why GP2 rates the "ATI Graphics Pro Turbo >PCI (Mach 64)" at a video speed of 57? I am by no means an expert in the >PC arena of graphics cards, but it was my impression that a PCI based >Mach 64 should perform better than this? >Is there some configuration utility that will let me "unleash the power" >of the Mach 64, or is it hopeless? It is really sad that we have this >card in a P6... >Thanks, >Berend

I get the following from my P133, 430HX chipset Triton II and 24mb EDO: Speed (c.f. DX2-66): 258 Video speed: 157 However, everything I hear confirms that I should get lots better, the Mach 64 is not THAT good anymore.... - ....We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner. Holographic demons and invocations of equations. These are the tools we employ.... -

:On Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:15:54 -0400, Berend Ozceri : :> :>Could somebody explain to me why GP2 rates the "ATI Graphics Pro Turbo :>PCI (Mach 64)" at a video speed of 57? I am by no means an expert in the :>PC arena of graphics cards, but it was my impression that a PCI based :>Mach 64 should perform better than this? :> :>Is there some configuration utility that will let me "unleash the power" :>of the Mach 64, or is it hopeless? It is really sad that we have this :>card in a P6... :> :>Thanks, :> :>Berend :> :> : :I get the following from my P133, 430HX chipset Triton II and 24mb :EDO: : :Speed (c.f. DX2-66): 258 :Video speed: 157 : Sounds terrible! I've got: Speed (c.f. DX2-66): 193 Video speed: 218 with my Diamond Stealth DRAM. The Stealth's about 70, so it looks like your cheapest upgrade option! Ken

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>Could somebody explain to me why GP2 rates the "ATI Graphics Pro Turbo >PCI (Mach 64)" at a video speed of 57? I am by no means an expert in the >PC arena of graphics cards, but it was my impression that a PCI based >Mach 64 should perform better than this? >Is there some configuration utility that will let me "unleash the power" >of the Mach 64, or is it hopeless? It is really sad that we have this >card in a P6... >Thanks, >Berend

Hello, Microprose have a techy e-mail feature at their web-site, which I used. I get slow SVGA (just like everybody else) and I wanted them to tell me what the problem was. I sent them my spec, which includes said ATI card. They got back to after a couple of days (hurrah) telling me that the video card was rubbish and that I should get a Matrox. I am getting a Matrox ASAP cheers, Andrew

I also have a Mach64 card. And after reading your post Microprose can keep their damn game because it won't run very well on the 'garbage' that I have for a video card. Some of us use OS/2, Windows, etc. which ATI has excellant (sp?) drivers for. While there are faster cards on the market, I haven't had any problems at all with this card (unlike the Diamond Stealth 64 I used to have...). I'll stick with Need For Speed and ICR2 which do work good with ATI cards. I'm not putting down Matrox here. From what I hear the Millenium is a very good card. It sound like Microprose might not want to deal with the speed issue so their solution is to tell the customer to buy a new video card.

: I also have a Mach64 card. And after reading your post Microprose can keep : their damn game because it won't run very well on the 'garbage' that I have : for a video card. Some of us use OS/2, Windows, etc. which ATI has excellant : (sp?) drivers for. While there are faster cards on the market, I haven't had : any problems at all with this card (unlike the Diamond Stealth 64 I used to : have...). I'll stick with Need For Speed and ICR2 which do work good with ATI : cards. I'm not putting down Matrox here. From what I hear the Millenium is a : very good card. It sound like Microprose might not want to deal with the : speed issue so their solution is to tell the customer to buy a new video card. I also have an ATI Mach64, but I don't think mine suffers much. I will admit that it is not the HOTTEST DOS card, but I do enjoy GP2 with my ATI. I also run in SVGA, but turn off almost everything and get around 19 projected fps. Are you folks who are reporting low ATI numbers running the "mergeon.exe" program? I have heard mixed stories about this jobby, but it is supposed to provide "burst mode" to the video card. Maybe that's why my GP2log video numbers are higher than most ATI postings. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Are you folks who are reporting low ATI numbers Just what exactly is the "mergeon.exe" program?

What's this mergeon.exe? I guess it's like ctpci.exe which did nothing for me. Wishing for a GP2/Matrox combo instead of my well supported ATI! Stuart -- Stuart Booth Somewhere in Godalming, England, UK