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Re: Question for League Operators - Lucky Dog Rule

4 posts by 4 people · 29 Aug 2004 23:56 UTC - 30 Aug 2004 16:14 UTC

The Western States Racing League www.wsrlracing.com has never used the Lucky Dog rule, and we've been racing back to yellow flags for years. It's much less confusing and time consuming that way. :) -Paul Eigsti -League & Server admin Western States Racing League www.wsrlracing.com "Timmy Ferrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DuBYc.52617$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (7 lines)> It's been almost a year since NASCAR instituted the "lucky dog" rule > for it's races. In the aftermath virtually all sim leagues likewise > instituted a similar policy, ostensibly to keep pace, visa a visa, the > realism of NASCAR. > Enough is enough- get rid of the rule and let's get back to racing. > Let me first say that I am not a "hot shoe"- I am one of those drivers > in a given league that is most likely to benefit from a free-pass rule:
I'm > not the quickest in qualifying and usually end up in the back. I run aclean > race and am courteous ( move out of the groove for faster cars, etc) > My reason for seeing it go away are two-fold- > 1.) NASCAR introduced the rule solely for safety reasons. It subtracts > from rather then adds to competition within the race. > It was no more dangerous, or wreck-prone before the Lucky Dog rule whenwe,
Quoted text (8 lines)> as sim drivers, used to race back to the caution. > 2.) It's too confusing. Every league has a different method of > establishing the Lucky Dog. Some require the free passer to continually > driver through pit road until directed by the race host or someone else. > Some leagues use a non-racing league member to watch and act as a race > director to sort out the running order. > This is a waste of time- the sim will tell the drivers what to do. > As a driver I don't want to worry about if I have slowed quickly
enough > when a caution comes out. Am I avoiding the wreck that caused the caution? > Did the driver who passed me avoid a wreck, or did he see an opportunityto > pick up a few spots? What exactly is "maintaining your position"? Nascarhas > 30 officals watching each race and they can't often decide. > As a driver I unnnamed leagues, I would like nothing better that tosee > the Lucky Dog rule go away. Just let the sim sort things out. > > Let me know, > Timmy > >
Timmy Ferrell 30 Aug 2004 08:24 UTC#32805
It's been almost a year since NASCAR instituted the "lucky dog" rule for it's races. In the aftermath virtually all sim leagues likewise instituted a similar policy, ostensibly to keep pace, visa a visa, the realism of NASCAR. Enough is enough- get rid of the rule and let's get back to racing. Let me first say that I am not a "hot shoe"- I am one of those drivers in a given league that is most likely to benefit from a free-pass rule: I'm not the quickest in qualifying and usually end up in the back. I run a clean race and am courteous ( move out of the groove for faster cars, etc) My reason for seeing it go away are two-fold- 1.) NASCAR introduced the rule solely for safety reasons. It subtracts from rather then adds to competition within the race. It was no more dangerous, or wreck-prone before the Lucky Dog rule when we, as sim drivers, used to race back to the caution. 2.) It's too confusing. Every league has a different method of establishing the Lucky Dog. Some require the free passer to continually driver through pit road until directed by the race host or someone else. Some leagues use a non-racing league member to watch and act as a race director to sort out the running order. This is a waste of time- the sim will tell the drivers what to do. As a driver I don't want to worry about if I have slowed quickly enough when a caution comes out. Am I avoiding the wreck that caused the caution? Did the driver who passed me avoid a wreck, or did he see an opportunity to pick up a few spots? What exactly is "maintaining your position"? Nascar has 30 officals watching each race and they can't often decide. As a driver I unnnamed leagues, I would like nothing better that to see the Lucky Dog rule go away. Just let the sim sort things out. Let me know, Timmy
In article <DuBYc.52617$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > It's been almost a year since NASCAR instituted the "lucky dog" rule > for it's races. In the aftermath virtually all sim leagues likewise > instituted a similar policy, ostensibly to keep pace, visa a visa, the > realism of NASCAR. > Enough is enough- get rid of the rule and let's get back to racing. I agree. The problem with cautions (in online racing) is not the act of racing back to the line, it's the re-start afterwards. In RRATS (RacingRoadHouse Aero Touring Series), we race back to the caution. http://www.racingroadhouse.us
Racing back to the line is a recipe for disaster and is much worse in the sim world than RL. If you can't pass a guy when racing then why the hell should you get to take advantage of a cautious person as he tip toes through a on track mess trying to avoid others incidents. Its plain and simple over aggressive driving and the dumbest drivers usually get the benefit instead of the other way around. Without the real world danger involved it makes it too easy for the kamikaze's of the sim world to make an even bigger mess. (Then bitch and moan after) RASCAR has been using this rule since before Nascar implemented it and its worked very well. In our version the leader slows to a reasonable pace up in the high line and all the lappers get to make a safe pass below to get their laps back. Sometimes the caution comes out to close to the flag stand and nobody gets a lap back, such is life. Not only does everyone enjoy themselves more but it gets the slower guys out of the way in a much safer manner than front row inside lane. Mitch "Timmy Ferrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DuBYc.52617$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (37 lines)> It's been almost a year since NASCAR instituted the "lucky dog" rule > for it's races. In the aftermath virtually all sim leagues likewise > instituted a similar policy, ostensibly to keep pace, visa a visa, the > realism of NASCAR. > Enough is enough- get rid of the rule and let's get back to racing. > Let me first say that I am not a "hot shoe"- I am one of those drivers > in a given league that is most likely to benefit from a free-pass rule: > I'm > not the quickest in qualifying and usually end up in the back. I run a > clean > race and am courteous ( move out of the groove for faster cars, etc) > My reason for seeing it go away are two-fold- > 1.) NASCAR introduced the rule solely for safety reasons. It subtracts > from rather then adds to competition within the race. > It was no more dangerous, or wreck-prone before the Lucky Dog rule when > we, > as sim drivers, used to race back to the caution. > 2.) It's too confusing. Every league has a different method of > establishing the Lucky Dog. Some require the free passer to continually > driver through pit road until directed by the race host or someone else. > Some leagues use a non-racing league member to watch and act as a race > director to sort out the running order. > This is a waste of time- the sim will tell the drivers what to do. > As a driver I don't want to worry about if I have slowed quickly enough > when a caution comes out. Am I avoiding the wreck that caused the caution? > Did the driver who passed me avoid a wreck, or did he see an opportunity > to > pick up a few spots? What exactly is "maintaining your position"? Nascar > has > 30 officals watching each race and they can't often decide. > As a driver I unnnamed leagues, I would like nothing better that to see > the Lucky Dog rule go away. Just let the sim sort things out. > > Let me know, > Timmy > >

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