New Track For NASCAR, Arrowhead Speedway

I have worked for quite some time now and have finally created a new track for NASCAR Racing. I call it Arrowhead Speedway, it is a good short track, tough to drive, but fun. Also there is a patch for dirt racing. Find it all at my site at url http://users.aol.com/Screechie1/shop.htm

>I have worked for quite some time now and have finally created a new track >for NASCAR Racing. I call it Arrowhead Speedway, it is a good short >track, tough to drive, but fun. Also there is a patch for dirt racing. >Find it all at my site at url >http://users.aol.com/Screechie1/shop.htm Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? Kyle Langston

>Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? >Kyle Langston North Wilkesboro. -------------- Michael Kirton

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>Subject: Re: New Track For NASCAR, Arrowhead Speedway >Date: 23 Jul 1996 21:23:24 -0400 >This is the author of the track. I am very upset by all of this >"slamming" of the wilkesboro track that I changed. Yes that is it, >because we cannot change the track I had to use the same layout. If you >don't like it don't download it. I spent a lot of time on it, I mean a >lot of time and I really don't like the fact that people are expressing >dislike of my track. The graphics are good, and the track is changed a >bit, the grandstands and buildings. I tried to make it for some people to >have fun with, and that is what most are doing with it. So everyone quit >***ing about it just to be heard, if you like it you are welcome, and if >you don't shut up, I don't appreciate it. Plus what does it hurt to add a >little to the game, if you don't want to be a part of it, then DON'T!

I like. Keep it up with more tracks. Any addition to the games just gives more opitions to have fun with. Thanks.

>Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? North Wilkes which should not be a problem cause they don't race there anymore after this season. I downloaded the track and the dirt patch , I have not tried the track yet, I just looked at it. I will try the dirt patch later. Gene

>>Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? Try running the Arrowhead on VGA... it still has the N.Wilkesboro opening screen. I'd really like to see someone creating _new_ tracks, instead of changing a few graphics and names in existing ones. It's quite close to piracy.

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> >>Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? > Try running the Arrowhead on VGA... it still has the N.Wilkesboro > opening screen. > I'd really like to see someone creating _new_ tracks, instead of > changing a few graphics and names in existing ones. It's quite close > to piracy.

I'd go so far as to say it *is* piracy. If the track were created by running a conversion against an existing copy of a track, then okay fine (like Gerhard's fine conversions), but this is distribution of an altered track made by Papyrus....and is therefore copyrighted. I'd be a trifle pissed if I was them. Neil -- Meek and obedient you follow the leader down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.. Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

>I have worked for quite some time now and have finally created a new track >for NASCAR Racing. I call it Arrowhead Speedway, it is a good short >track, tough to drive, but fun. Also there is a patch for dirt racing. >Find it all at my site at url >http://users.aol.com/Screechie1/shop.htm Ok, granted, it may be a tweak of N. Wilkesborro, but hey, ya know. I asked papy 2 weeks after NCR came out about the possibility of a sim based on 3/8 to 1/2 mile dirt oval racing. With stock, superstock, and outlaw late model classes for those of us that would like the chance to race as the Irvans, and Earnhardts, and Pettys did in the beginning. I mean can you just see it, 3 wide on a 1/3 mile with the sunset in your eyes coming out of 4 into a 2 lane front straight as your windscreen clouds over with dust and you have to keep pulling off tearoffs to see and the track announcer screaming into the mic to be heard over 20 cars with no mufflers. Man that *was* racing!! Of course I'm a bit predgiduced (spelling) as I spent 3 years pit crewing for an outlaw team and hope to be building a stocker in the next year or two :) But anyway, made the suggestion and you know what my reply from Mike in tech was at that time? A form letter saying that if I have a specific prob they can help with they'd contact me and to contact sales if wanted to buy a product. I'm like huh? what? Not knocking Mike as he was very instrumental in getting my NCR running in the beginning, but this would be a case of "if they won't put it out someones gonna do it" And besides, not flaming anyone and I may not know what I'm talking about here, but isn't the daytona patch evryones been howlin about just a knockoff of Dega? I don't see a list of posts slammin that track, so why this one? My 8.2 cents. Ron R II *********************************************** ** Keep the shiny side up & the hammer down ** *** Ron "Cougar" Riekens II *** **** Owner - Driver **** **** Medallion Motorsports/*** Photography **** *** NASS ARCA Series #96 Pontiac *** ***********************************************

This is the author of the track. I am very upset by all of this "slamming" of the wilkesboro track that I changed. Yes that is it, because we cannot change the track I had to use the same layout. If you don't like it don't download it. I spent a lot of time on it, I mean a lot of time and I really don't like the fact that people are expressing dislike of my track. The graphics are good, and the track is changed a bit, the grandstands and buildings. I tried to make it for some people to have fun with, and that is what most are doing with it. So everyone quit ***ing about it just to be heard, if you like it you are welcome, and if you don't shut up, I don't appreciate it. Plus what does it hurt to add a little to the game, if you don't want to be a part of it, then DON'T!

At least someone is making an effort to throw something different into the sim. Granted it's a "hacked track", but I don't mind racing with some different scenery around me. Designing a new track altogether I hear is nearly impossible to do without the Papyrus code, so others are doing the next best thing. I'm surprised no one has tried creating a Texas speedway out of C***te or a California speedway out of Michigan yet. Those who don't like the tracks should just delete it from their hard drives or create something better.

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>This is the author of the track. I am very upset by all of this >"slamming" of the wilkesboro track that I changed. Yes that is it, >because we cannot change the track I had to use the same layout. If you >don't like it don't download it. I spent a lot of time on it, I mean a >lot of time and I really don't like the fact that people are expressing >dislike of my track. The graphics are good, and the track is changed a >bit, the grandstands and buildings. I tried to make it for some people to >have fun with, and that is what most are doing with it. So everyone quit >***ing about it just to be heard, if you like it you are welcome, and if >you don't shut up, I don't appreciate it. Plus what does it hurt to add a >little to the game, if you don't want to be a part of it, then DON'T!

Hey,hey,hey, calm down there some. I understand where your comin from but alot of us are behind ya on this. Heck, I've got arrowhead running night races now. All I need now is to figure out how to retain the track color so can run night time dirt races. Thought it would be by editing the .pcx I have for night races but all that gives when I open it is a white field like there isn't anything there. I just wish I knew how people are doing these edits so I could "create" Portland International Raceway :) Hang in there Screechster. Ron R II *********************************************** ** Keep the shiny side up & the hammer down ** *** Ron "Cougar" Riekens II *** **** Owner - Driver **** **** Medallion Motorsports/*** Photography **** *** NASS ARCA Series #96 Pontiac *** ***********************************************

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> >Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? > North Wilkes which should not be a problem cause they don't race there > anymore after this season. I downloaded the track and the dirt patch , I > have not tried the track yet, I just looked at it. I will try the dirt > patch later. > Gene

Um, i downloaded the track and patch and didn't like the results of the patch, it was like a brown dover patch? I thought it was gonna make the whole track the grass or dirt!!! (That would be cool) No actual pavement just pure grass!! Thanks, Keith Speroni http://www.goecities.com/motorcity/2172

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>This is the author of the track. I am very upset by all of this >"slamming" of the wilkesboro track that I changed. Yes that is it, >because we cannot change the track I had to use the same layout. If you >don't like it don't download it. I spent a lot of time on it, I mean a >lot of time and I really don't like the fact that people are expressing >dislike of my track. The graphics are good, and the track is changed a >bit, the grandstands and buildings. I tried to make it for some people to >have fun with, and that is what most are doing with it. So everyone quit >***ing about it just to be heard, if you like it you are welcome, and if >you don't shut up, I don't appreciate it. Plus what does it hurt to add a >little to the game, if you don't want to be a part of it, then DON'T!

Hey, I D/L the track and the dirt patch, and it was done well. I appreciate the amount of work that went into the patch, and would hope that others continue this type of work. I would love to see Sebring! How about Road Atlanta? Lime Rock? C'mon, folks! Those who have the prog. tools, put them to use. While Nascar/ICR and Doom have nothing in common, I believe that the success of ID is due to the ability of the public to create varied levels that keep Doom interesting. The same concept applies to tracks for Nascar/ICR. I am not suggesting anything, I am only drawing a parallel between the methods used on both items. Please do not take anything out of context and start some BS thread!!! Of course I do not want there to be anything to delay the Da*tona track release by Papyrus, but I do not think there is a big risk of doing a track not in play. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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>> >Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? >> North Wilkes which should not be a problem cause they don't race there >> anymore after this season. I downloaded the track and the dirt patch , I >> have not tried the track yet, I just looked at it. I will try the dirt >> patch later. >> Gene >Um, i downloaded the track and patch and didn't like the results of the >patch, it was like a brown dover patch? I thought it was gonna make the >whole track the grass or dirt!!! (That would be cool) No actual pavement >just pure grass!!

Well, thats because it is a brown dover patch. The program code still has all the text from the original dover patch, looks like Jed's original patch has been modified by changing only the palette entries (ie. it's a patched patch). Don't get me wrong, these modifications are nice, but if you rip someone else's code, please give the credit where credit is due.

All of these guys making utilities and tracks for these games are doing it to increase there enjoyment of the game. When they post and share them it is to help us enjoy the game more. I can think of few things in this world that*** me off more than people who have to *** about a free ride. Did you pay for it ? No. If you dont like it either try to do better or delete it and keep it to yourself.

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> >> >Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? > >> North Wilkes which should not be a problem cause they don't race there > >> anymore after this season. I downloaded the track and the dirt patch , I > >> have not tried the track yet, I just looked at it. I will try the dirt > >> patch later. > >> Gene > >Um, i downloaded the track and patch and didn't like the results of the > >patch, it was like a brown dover patch? I thought it was gonna make the > >whole track the grass or dirt!!! (That would be cool) No actual pavement > >just pure grass!! > Well, thats because it is a brown dover patch. The program code > still has all the text from the original dover patch, looks like > Jed's original patch has been modified by changing only the > palette entries (ie. it's a patched patch). > Don't get me wrong, these modifications are nice, but if you rip > someone else's code, please give the credit where credit is due.

made the dover patch. -- Go USA!

I feel sorry for people that can't take a little abuse. Are you gonna cry because people don't like your track? Do you always *** and moan when people don't think you and things you've done are great? *** you. Chris

says... >>This is the author of the track. I am very upset by all of this >>"slamming" of the wilkesboro track that I changed. Yes that is it, >>because we cannot change the track I had to use the same layout. If you >>don't like it don't download it. I spent a lot of time on it, I mean a >>lot of time and I really don't like the fact that people are expressing >>dislike of my track. The graphics are good, and the track is changed a >>bit, the grandstands and buildings. I tried to make it for some people to >>have fun with, and that is what most are doing with it. So everyone quit >>***ing about it just to be heard, if you like it you are welcome, and if >>you don't shut up, I don't appreciate it. Plus what does it hurt to add a >>little to the game, if you don't want to be a part of it, then DON'T! >I feel sorry for people that can't take a little abuse. Are you gonna cry >because people don't like your track? Do you always *** and moan when >people don't think you and things you've done are great? *** you. >Chris Boy Chris (or billy or yanno), You're pretty much a*** huh? Have you ever worked *** something, just to have someone come along and degrade you and it? Probably not, since your mommy probably still does everything for you. Quick, it's bath time, and mommys got it warm for you. Mike

>>> >Now which original NASCAR Racing track is it made from? >>> North Wilkes which should not be a problem cause they don't race there >>> anymore after this season. I downloaded the track and the dirt patch , I >>> have not tried the track yet, I just looked at it. I will try the dirt >>> patch later. >>> Gene >>Um, i downloaded the track and patch and didn't like the results of the >>patch, it was like a brown dover patch? I thought it was gonna make the >>whole track the grass or dirt!!! (That would be cool) No actual pavement

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>>just pure grass!! >Well, thats because it is a brown dover patch. The program code >still has all the text from the original dover patch, looks like >Jed's original patch has been modified by changing only the >palette entries (ie. it's a patched patch). >Don't get me wrong, these modifications are nice, but if you rip >someone else's code, please give the credit where credit is due.

If you had taken the time to read more about the patch you would have noticed that he did give Jed credit for the patch.I did'nt seem to have any problem reading that why did you?And for those who have sent flames at Alex for the patch he made it is real simple.If you don't like it ; delete it and don't use it.You did'nt pay for it now did you? Darrell HAWAII bigdymd

>>>Boy Chris (or billy or yanno), >>>You're pretty much a*** huh? Have you ever worked *** something, >>>just to have someone come along and degrade you and it? Probably not, >>>since your mommy probably still does everything for you. Quick, it's >>>bath time, and mommys got it warm for you. >>>Mike >You are one of the ***s of this group. You need not to insult on this >person's hard work. I bet you couldn't do better than he could, so give him >some respect. He worked hard, and all you do is insult. >I've heard enough Bull**** out of you, and I'd bet $200 that you are the little >Just stop your insult, you are getting nowhere, >Doc Speed Doc- Did you read the full post? I was flaming the guy who trashed this guys work. I have the track and like it. And as far as me being SPAMboy, I'd like cash please, no checks. Please read ALL of the post before you replay. I will keep you from looking like a fool. Mike

If you guys want new tracks for NASCAR, just go pick up ICR2 and convert Milwaukee and Nazareth using Jed's icr2ncar.exe. Milwaukee is fun to drive, more than one groove, unlike in real life (mistake for the better this time). And Nazareth is definitely a challenge. Besides Indycar Racing is a pretty good diversion every now and again. David Martin

You are one of the ***s of this group. You need not to insult on this person's hard work. I bet you couldn't do better than he could, so give him some respect. He worked hard, and all you do is insult. I've heard enough Bull**** out of you, and I'd bet $200 that you are the little Just stop your insult, you are getting nowhere, Doc Speed

I don't know why everyone is yelling at me, i only made a suggestion if you could use grass only, i in no way made fun of or put down the track. Please stop blaming this on me, i enjoyed the track and just put in my 2 cents about what i "expected" the dirt patch to be. I am sorry for any inconvenience i may have caused, thank you. Keith Speroni [link lost in import]

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>says... >>>This is the author of the track. I am very upset by all of this >>>"slamming" of the wilkesboro track that I changed. Yes that is it, >>>because we cannot change the track I had to use the same layout. If >you >>>don't like it don't download it. I spent a lot of time on it, I mean >a >>>lot of time and I really don't like the fact that people are >expressing >>>dislike of my track. The graphics are good, and the track is changed >a >>>bit, the grandstands and buildings. I tried to make it for some >people to >>>have fun with, and that is what most are doing with it. So everyone >quit >>>***ing about it just to be heard, if you like it you are welcome, >and if >>>you don't shut up, I don't appreciate it. Plus what does it hurt to >add a >>>little to the game, if you don't want to be a part of it, then DON'T! >>I feel sorry for people that can't take a little abuse. Are you gonna >cry >>because people don't like your track? Do you always *** and moan >when >>people don't think you and things you've done are great? *** you. >>Chris >Boy Chris (or billy or yanno), >You're pretty much a*** huh? Have you ever worked *** something, >just to have someone come along and degrade you and it? Probably not, >since your mommy probably still does everything for you. Quick, it's >bath time, and mommys got it warm for you. >Mike

That happens to most people. But I don't tell the people that degrade my things to shut up and bs like that. I think about it and if it's helpful I use it. If not, that person is probably worthless. Nothing to cry over. I wish my mommy gave me baths. Then she could jerk me off better. Chris

dear arrogant, sick, concieted, bastard (yanno) You are one sick bastard, the only reason why I told you to shut up is because you polutted my e-mail with your piece of trash response, I didn't ask to be insulted on my own e-mail, if you want to do it on a message be my guest, I will read it and so will others and *** at you for being such a jerk. But I do agree with one thing you said. You stated "I think about it and if it's helpful I use it. If not, that person is probably worthless." You and I see eye to eye, finally. See what I mean, your responses are not helpful, therefore you must in turn be worthless. Right, at least as stated by you. One more question, did you get beat up often in school? You would have where I went, in fact the principal would have kick your ass daily just for opening you big mouth. Sincerely, Alex Santantonio

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>>You are one of the ***s of this group. You need not to insult on >this >>person's hard work. I bet you couldn't do better than he could, so >give him >>some respect. He worked hard, and all you do is insult. >>I've heard enough Bull**** out of you, and I'd bet $200 that you are >the little >>Just stop your insult, you are getting nowhere, >>Doc Speed >Doc- >Did you read the full post? I was flaming the guy who trashed this guys >work. I have the track and like it. >And as far as me being SPAMboy, I'd like cash please, no checks. >Please read ALL of the post before you replay. I will keep you from >looking like a fool. >Mike

I wasn't refering to you, I was talking about Yanno or whatever his name was, sorry for the confusion. No, you aren't SPAMboy, I think Yanno or whatever his name is IS him. Thanks for not making me look like a fool. I apologize again Mike, Doc

That's the spirit. Blame someone for something that you have no evidence to back it up with. That's the American way. You're a *** Chris

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>>I wasn't refering to you, I was talking about Yanno or whatever his name >was, sorry >>for the confusion. >>No, you aren't SPAMboy, I think Yanno or whatever his name is IS him. >>Thanks for not making me look like a fool. >>I apologize again Mike, >>Doc >That's the spirit. Blame someone for something that you have no evidence to >back it up with. That's the American way. You're a *** >Chris

Oh how I wish for a kill file sometimes :) Ron R II *********************************************** ** Keep the shiny side up & the hammer down ** *** Ron "Cougar" Riekens II *** **** Owner - Driver **** **** Medallion Motorsports/*** Photography **** *** NASS ARCA Series #96 Pontiac *** ***********************************************

writes: >>That's the spirit. Blame someone for something that you have no evidence to

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>>back it up with. That's the American way. You're a *** >>Chris >Hey Chris, how's your wife and my kids doing? >Doc

Wait, I thought they were my kids. Mike

>That's the spirit. Blame someone for something that you have no evidence to >back it up with. That's the American way. You're a *** >Chris Hey Chris, how's your wife and my kids doing? Doc

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>writes: >>>That's the spirit. Blame someone for something that you have no >evidence to >>>back it up with. That's the American way. You're a *** >>>Chris >>Hey Chris, how's your wife and my kids doing? >>Doc >Wait, I thought they were my kids.

I think they were my kids and my mother. Or maybe it was all of your kids and my grandmother... I can't really be sure. My family is filled with ***s. Chris