australian touring cars

Not a flame, but just a thought. Maybe someone out there can enlighten us if I'm wrong. One of the reasons I don't see Papyrus doing a F1 game is the lack of american knowledge of F1 as a whole. Microprose I guess is essentially a british company or the development of F1GP2 is on british soil. Papyrus, when they developed ICR2 and Nascar had help from real teams and authorities on the spot here in the states. Geoff Crammond, I believe was helped by individuals involved in F1, the benefits to this sort of inside info. is beneifical to the realism and authenticity of the sim. Papyrus probably has neither the inclination or resources to spend the time in Europe or Australia learning the ins-and-outs of BTCC, F1, or Aussie rally (although sierra spent all that money to go to Germany for Gabriel Knight). One idea I would like to toss around and develop would be a Hydroplane sim. Being originally from the Seattle area, hydroplane racing is big. However, I'm stationed in Fayetteville, NC not especially a hotbed of unlimited hydroplane activity and the ability to travel to Seattle, the Tri-Cities or anywhere else the boats race is not possible right now. Just a thought of maybe a new avenue for sim fans. Imagine, sitting on a skipping stone, above glistening water, a huge rooster tail coming out the back smacking your opponets boat on the pontoons. WOW!!!! Joseph

I reckon papyrus should consider making what would shorly be the most insane racing sim except GP2 either an australian touring car simulator or a british touring car simulator preferably the AUSTRALIAN becouse of the most wickedest track in the world BATHURST mount panorama this would truly be a dream come true and would make any nascar fan instantly ***ed EVERY BODY SHOULD EMAIL PAPYRUS AND GET BEHIND THE IDEA AND GET THEM THINKING MUFF & GLENN

>I reckon papyrus should consider making what would shorly be the most insane racing sim >except GP2 either an australian touring car simulator or a british touring car simulator >preferably the AUSTRALIAN becouse of the most wickedest track in the world >BATHURST mount panorama this would truly be a dream come true and would make any nascar >fan instantly ***ed Basically, we all know both championships should be sim-ised. The Aussie 5 litre and the BTCC 2 litre!!! They both kick complete and utter rump!!! BTW. This post is not intended to offend anyone, so don't go flaming me about tourers being rubbish please. Ta very much, Dave B.

> I reckon papyrus should consider making what would shorly be the most insane racing sim > except GP2 either an australian touring car simulator or a british touring car simulator Australian touring car racing exciting? Frankly I find it boring. The cars pass each other less than F1. As for Ford vs Holden, about the only thing that make them Fords and Holdens is the badge on the front. I will admit that Bathurst is a nice track but the rest of circuits are to short for any fun. (Apart from Phillip Island or Eastern Creek. Do they still race the ATCC around these?) Now the BTCC is another matter, in fact any 2.0 litre tourers are pretty exciting the way they throw the cars around and bump each other. That has some potential.

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> > I reckon papyrus should consider making what would shorly be the most > insane racing sim > > except GP2 either an australian touring car simulator or a british > touring car simulator > > preferably the AUSTRALIAN becouse of the most wickedest track in the world > > BATHURST mount panorama this would truly be a dream come true and would > make any nascar > > fan instantly ***ed > > EVERY BODY SHOULD EMAIL PAPYRUS AND GET BEHIND THE IDEA AND GET THEM THINKING > > MUFF & GLENN > Australian touring car racing exciting? Frankly I find it boring. The > cars pass each other less than F1. As for Ford vs Holden, about the only > thing that make them Fords and Holdens is the badge on the front. I will > admit that Bathurst is a nice track but the rest of circuits are to short > for any fun. (Apart from Phillip Island or Eastern Creek. Do they still > race the ATCC around these?) > Now the BTCC is another matter, in fact any 2.0 litre tourers are pretty > exciting the way they throw the cars around and bump each other. That has > some potential.

FROM MUFF & GLENN well going around and around in one direction for 70 laps is boring maby they are mostly short tracks but it beets getting dizzy if u know what i mean and bored.

Not a problem really... they could just do an NATCC sim then [North American Touring Cars]. That too is a 2 litre championship so there's no worries. AND, they already have Portland and Elkhart etc. tracks ready and waiting! Then again, I'd still like to chase Rickard Rydell through the Cascades at Oulton Park!! MPS?? Cheers very much, Dave Bowers.

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> Not a problem really... > they could just do an NATCC sim then [North American Touring Cars]. > That too is a 2 litre championship so there's no worries. AND, they > already have Portland and Elkhart etc. tracks ready and waiting! > Then again, I'd still like to chase Rickard Rydell through the > Cascades at Oulton Park!! MPS?? > Cheers very much, > Dave Bowers.

They'll be running the NATCC cars at Toronto this weekend. With vidcam in hand, and my new *Snappy!* I might be able to post a couple of decent pics in ABSA next week so we all know what these things look like.. :) Neil -- Meek and obedient you follow the leader down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.. Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

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> > > I reckon papyrus should consider making what would shorly be the most > > insane racing sim > > > except GP2 either an australian touring car simulator or a british > > touring car simulator > > > preferably the AUSTRALIAN becouse of the most wickedest track in the world > > > BATHURST mount panorama this would truly be a dream come true and would > > make any nascar > > > fan instantly ***ed > > > EVERY BODY SHOULD EMAIL PAPYRUS AND GET BEHIND THE IDEA AND GET THEM THINKING > > > MUFF & GLENN > > Australian touring car racing exciting? Frankly I find it boring. The > > cars pass each other less than F1. As for Ford vs Holden, about the only > > thing that make them Fords and Holdens is the badge on the front. I will > > admit that Bathurst is a nice track but the rest of circuits are to short > > for any fun. (Apart from Phillip Island or Eastern Creek. Do they still > > race the ATCC around these?) > > Now the BTCC is another matter, in fact any 2.0 litre tourers are pretty > > exciting the way they throw the cars around and bump each other. That has > > some potential. > FROM MUFF & GLENN > well going around and around in one direction for 70 laps is boring > maby they are mostly short tracks but it beets getting dizzy if u know > what i mean and bored.

PAPYRUS JUST DO IT!

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> > > I reckon papyrus should consider making what would shorly be the most > > insane racing sim > > > except GP2 either an australian touring car simulator or a british > > touring car simulator > > > preferably the AUSTRALIAN becouse of the most wickedest track in the world > > > BATHURST mount panorama this would truly be a dream come true and would > > make any nascar > > > fan instantly ***ed > > > EVERY BODY SHOULD EMAIL PAPYRUS AND GET BEHIND THE IDEA AND GET THEM THINKING > > > MUFF & GLENN > > Australian touring car racing exciting? Frankly I find it boring. The > > cars pass each other less than F1. As for Ford vs Holden, about the only > > thing that make them Fords and Holdens is the badge on the front. I will > > admit that Bathurst is a nice track but the rest of circuits are to short > > for any fun. (Apart from Phillip Island or Eastern Creek. Do they still > > race the ATCC around these?) > > Now the BTCC is another matter, in fact any 2.0 litre tourers are pretty > > exciting the way they throw the cars around and bump each other. That has > > some potential. > FROM MUFF & GLENN > well going around and around in one direction for 70 laps is boring > maby they are mostly short tracks but it beets getting dizzy if u know > what i mean and bored.

FROM MUFF & GLENN AGAIN to mister boring... u obviously have not been watching the same series i have this is 96 you know. How anyone who saw Alan Jones race this year could say boring is beyond me wat do you need to be satisfied he drove his balls off every race while the ex champion Bowe wallowed around in 3rd place in an established Ford pakage and wats more to make it better than the Brits 5litres of pure GRUNT u no nowt.

>They'll be running the NATCC cars at Toronto this weekend. With vidcam >in hand, and my new *Snappy!* I might be able to post a couple of decent >pics in ABSA next week so we all know what these things look like.. :) Is it gonna be on ABC? I heard ABC's doing couple of races this year, my sis caught a promo for one race. Gregory Fung Vancouver, B.C., Canada

DB> Then again, I'd still like to chase Rickard Rydell through the DB> Cascades at Oulton Park!! MPS?? I'm glad you noted that Rickard would be in front! B-) Just be careful though - Cascades and Druids armco is looking a bit worse for wear, and I've had one-too-many incidents at the latter this year. Cheers! --- * RM 1.3 U0414 * If this were a proper tagline, it might be funny.

I have to agree. I like to watch BTCC on Speed Vision, and they had an aussie race on yesterday. I thought the action was very hot, lots of passing, framming and bamming AND e***ment. ALso I liked Athe Aussie camera angles too. They have helmet cams for the drivers which is something Nascar should check out. I'd love to see a touring car sim. Los

> I have to agree. I like to watch BTCC on Speed Vision, and they had an aussie > race on yesterday. I thought the action was very hot, lots of passing, framming > and bamming AND e***ment. ALso I liked Athe Aussie camera angles too. They > have helmet cams for the drivers which is something Nascar should check out. > I'd love to see a touring car sim. > Los There aren't any helmet cams, the shot you're referring to was either from the passenger seat (on the left in Oz), or from a small box mounted on the roof. Nice idea though. It'd make Bathurst more interesting, drivers accidentally smashing cameras on the door frames at each driver change...:) Greg Hingerty [link lost in import: /~greghing]

>Not a flame, but just a thought. Maybe someone out there can enlighten us if >I'm wrong. One of the reasons I don't see Papyrus doing a F1 game is the >lack of american knowledge of F1 as a whole. well, we aren't limited to the US market, you know! :-) Steven Travers Associate Producer Papyrus Design Group

Actually there were helmet cams because you could see the camera swivel like head movements and looking down at his arms and tilting sideway due to gees in corners etc. Los

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>Subject: Re: australian touring cars >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:51:54 -0900 >> I have to agree. I like to watch BTCC on Speed Vision, and they had an aussie >> race on yesterday. I thought the action was very hot, lots of passing, >framming >> and bamming AND e***ment. ALso I liked Athe Aussie camera angles too. They >> have helmet cams for the drivers which is something Nascar should check out. >> I'd love to see a touring car sim. >> Los >There aren't any helmet cams, the shot you're referring to was either >from the passenger seat (on the left in Oz), or from a small box mounted >on the roof. Nice idea though. It'd make Bathurst more interesting, >drivers accidentally smashing cameras on the door frames at each driver >change...:)

Sorry to correct you, but they DID have a helmet-cam on one guy. half the time you can't see terribly well what is happening as it bounces around too much, but it did give an idea of the G-forces insie the car and of how rough it is. I'd like to see a BTCC simulator before an ATCC one - the racing is much more exciting (and I like the british tracks) Althought the Calder Park layout they tried a few years back could be interesting, using the road course as well as the oval section :-) Scott. D E P A R T M E N T O F D E F E N C E Scott Peucker --------------------<>--------------------- Corporate Information Systems DEFENCE SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY ORGANISATION Unit. Voice: +61 3 9626 7150 Opinions are my own, My boss almost always disagrees with me.

Could Steven Travers be letting on about some future Papyrus products, or at least leaving the door open. I didn't mean to say that Papyrus was a U.S.-only developer. As many posts it seems abound from Europe about Nascar as does from the states. And I know GP2 will be well received here in the states. But, I was curious about the release of GPM, I had to order mine from Chips and Bits, Babbages or any other software store didn't carry it let alone hear of it. Would Papyrus be able to travel to Europe to glean the info. to develop an F1 sim? Tantalizing prospects. I guess my idea for a Hydroplane sim is pretty much washed up, huh? Joe

>There aren't any helmet cams, the shot you're referring to was either >from the passenger seat (on the left in Oz), or from a small box mounted >on the roof. Nice idea though. It'd make Bathurst more interesting, >drivers accidentally smashing cameras on the door frames at each driver >change...:) Hi Greg, You might have answered that a tad too hastily! Greg Murphy (Orix Audi) had a helmet cam in the last round of the super tourers. It looked great, except that it could have been aimed a little higher. You really get a feel for just how much he moves his head though! Hope this helps John Robinson -------------------------------------------------------------- Programmer, Car Nut, and beginner wood-worker --------------------------------------------------------------

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> >Not a flame, but just a thought. Maybe someone out there can enlighten us if > >I'm wrong. One of the reasons I don't see Papyrus doing a F1 game is the > >lack of american knowledge of F1 as a whole. > well, we aren't limited to the US market, you know! :-) > Steven Travers > Associate Producer

That is a rather obtuse answer ! Should that smiley really have been a ;-) ? John -- John Hartridge | Crosfield Electronics Ltd, ext 3282 | Three Cherry Trees Lane,

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>> >Not a flame, but just a thought. Maybe someone out there can enlighten us if >> >I'm wrong. One of the reasons I don't see Papyrus doing a F1 game is the >> >lack of american knowledge of F1 as a whole. >> well, we aren't limited to the US market, you know! :-) >> Steven Travers >> Associate Producer >That is a rather obtuse answer ! Should that smiley really have been a ;-) ? >John

nope, it was purposefully a :-). :-) steve

> >Not a flame, but just a thought. Maybe someone out there can enlighten us if > >I'm wrong. One of the reasons I don't see Papyrus doing a F1 game is the

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> >lack of american knowledge of F1 as a whole. > well, we aren't limited to the US market, you know! :-) > Steven Travers > Associate Producer > Papyrus Design Group

Maybe with recent forming of a new Series called NATCC (North American Touring Car Championship) In U.S.A. American interest in Touring Cars will grow. It Might even become as popular as in Britan. Maybe then Papyrus will think of making the game, it's going to be pretty easy to make i think ;), just use ICR2 game engine and modified Nascar body. And almost all ICR2 tracks are used by NATCC and Papyrus doesnt have to make new once. ;) P.s. I posted in alt.binaries.simulators.autos my version of Touring Car for Nascar ;

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> Hi Greg, > You might have answered that a tad too hastily! Greg Murphy (Orix > Audi) had a helmet cam in the last round of the super tourers. It > looked great, except that it could have been aimed a little higher. > You really get a feel for just how much he moves his head though! > Okay, okay, I'm wrong, I admit it! :) Just saw a tape of it that I missed

a few weeks ago, and it still seems weird. Does it strike anyone else as odd to ask a driver to strap a camera to his head, rather than attach it to the car, or is it just me? Greg Hingerty http://www.ozemail.com.au/~greghing

>DB> Then again, I'd still like to chase Rickard Rydell through the >DB> Cascades at Oulton Park!! MPS?? >I'm glad you noted that Rickard would be in front! B-) >Just be careful though - Cascades and Druids armco is looking a bit >worse for wear, and I've had one-too-many incidents at the latter this >year. Erm... I thought Oulton itself was worse for wear. I was there this year for the BTCC meeting and the place is starting to look a little shoddy! Oh well, I'll be at Croft next year anyway!

DB> >Just be careful though - Cascades and Druids armco is looking a bit DB> >worse for wear, and I've had one-too-many incidents at the latter DB> this >year. DB> Erm... I thought Oulton itself was worse for wear. I was there this DB> year for the BTCC meeting and the place is starting to look a little DB> shoddy! Oh well, I'll be at Croft next year anyway! It is sadly - but still a lovely circuit. Don't know Croft yet - but since I'm moving Leeds way soon I'll start going I think (though I'll continue to work at Oulton while I can) - I gather Croft is due for a big improvement. Cheers! --- * RM 1.3 U0414 * COMMUNICATIONS FAILURE: Error Code 123 - Incompetent Typist