GP2 The Latest Min Requirements

DX486/100? P90? Anyone check out Microprose site lately? Can you believe this shit. Well there goes most of their market. What do they think people will do ? Go out ( or should I say RUN out ) and buy the latest greatest processor? What do they think we are IDIOTS. We have to pick up where they have left off, their lazy shoddy coding means we have to decrease our bank accounts? I THINK NOT!!!!!! Jim Dunphy

You're a bit late, but yes, the requirements did change a while back. Better then than afterwards, since the complaints would be about how misleading the minimum requirements were and how could SH-MPS do that to us because its totally unplayable on a 286 with 640K... ya da da ya da da... Anyway, I doubt we'll ever see everyone happy in either case, but it is definitely the software entertainment industry that is driving and pushing the requirements for the personal computer marketplace. That, I'm afraid, is your future as well as the same fate for the rest of us. KS

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> >DX486/100? P90? Anyone check out Microprose site lately? Can you believe > >this shit. Well there goes most of their market. What do they think people > >will do ? Go out ( or should I say RUN out ) and buy the latest greatest > >processor? What do they think we are IDIOTS. We have to pick up where they > >have left off, their lazy shoddy coding means we have to decrease our bank > >accounts? I THINK NOT!!!!!! > >Jim Dunphy > You're a bit late, but yes, the requirements did change a while back. > Better then than afterwards, since the complaints would be about how > misleading the minimum requirements were and how could SH-MPS do that > to us because its totally unplayable on a 286 with 640K... ya da da ya > da da... > Anyway, I doubt we'll ever see everyone happy in either case, but it > is definitely the software entertainment industry that is driving and > pushing the requirements for the personal computer marketplace. That, > I'm afraid, is your future as well as the same fate for the rest of > us. > KSAnything you need for hardware upgrade is becoming cheaper & cheaper...so

what is the prob ? i dont see any 3d-game that runs fine on a 386/40 ! so to be REAL....coding is one part of the side, as pocessors cannot run codes fast enough , there is no reason to say...uh ah ...a p90 ? even 16meg , is affordable , about 100$ max , so whats it ?

> Hi > I've read the test in a magazine. A DX266 will be enough to run the game > in VGA with few details, but with a correct animation It's all ***I have a Cyrix 686 150+ and my two friends have P166's with all the good stuff fast g cards edo ram etc. And it's still chunky on all our machines I think it was coded in basic!.

What do you want? Some stripped down version? This game is going to be like ICR2 and Nascar and ..... We will be playing it for a long time. And you will have to upgrade eventually. When Nascar came out, I was running on an old 486-33 (non-local bus). Yes, I was mad when Nascar came out and I couldn't run it...and ICR for that matter too. But, now I am happy. With these programs. I had to get a new computer because everything wasn't running on it by then. It never ends. You will never have a fast enough computer. The programs get bigger and better. Otherwise, we all would still be playing Indianapolis. A computer becomes obsolete when you take it out of the box. -- http://www.netins.net/showcase/mpete Nascar..Weather..OnNetCameras..Oddities..and more.. Stop on by, what can it hurt?

>DX486/100? P90? Anyone check out Microprose site lately? Can you believe >this shit. Well there goes most of their market. What do they think people >will do ? Go out ( or should I say RUN out ) and buy the latest greatest >processor? Well, it's one of the main reasons I'm intending to upgrade. I would point out that real-time high quality 3D modelling is one of the most processor intensive tasks that computers do these days. -- Thomas Beagle

I'm running P90 24mg Diamond 3240 2mg Vram $4000.00 CDN latter and Nascar still won't run with full graphics? You tell me. Is this right? Why should we pay for someone else's sloppy coding?

>I'm running P90 24mg Diamond 3240 2mg Vram $4000.00 CDN latter and Nascar >still won't run with full graphics? You tell me. Is this right? Why should >we pay for someone else's sloppy coding? Full SVGA graphics with a fast frame rate (with all details on, 640x480) for a texture-mapped, 3D game requires about the equivalent power to a 200Mhz Pentium. I have a P133 and still have to turn some details off (for Nascar, Indycar, and I'm sure for GP2 when it comes out). Now before you panic and think you'll have to spend *another* grand or two, think 3D cards. The Rendition card is coming out this summer, and it looks great. For a few hundred dollars you will be able to upgrade your Pentium to have that "200Mhz Pentium" performance you need. None of this is Papyrus fault. If anyone's, it's IBMs for designing the original PC graphics architecture so poorly. Joe

I have seen a pre-release version of the game (dont know if its legal or whatever) on a friends-friends computer, ie pentium75, 16ram and the game was playable in vga with a lot of the detail turned off at about 23.1 frames, hopefully the full release will have fixed up some of the slow frame performance. Besides, computer hardware is so damm cheap these days!.! Go out and get ya self a pentium motherboard/cpu, ya deserve it..

Hi I've read the test in a magazine. A DX266 will be enough to run the game in VGA with few details, but with a correct animation

Thus confirming for sure that you haven't actually seen a legit version of the game. We tested it extensively at Sim Racing News, and it is very playable in SVGA on even a P-100 - on a P-166 and P-200 it absolutely flies (as it should do!). You wouldn't have been visiting the "warez" groups and downloading v0.1a, the totally unoptimised and full of bugs early version would you? ;) Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ ________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____/ * Sim Racing News * \____|::|__| \ /______:/ \::/ http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm \._____\ [link lost in import: /~harmon/simnews]

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>>I'm running P90 24mg Diamond 3240 2mg Vram $4000.00 CDN latter and Nascar >>still won't run with full graphics? You tell me. Is this right? Why should >>we pay for someone else's sloppy coding? >None of this is Papyrus fault. If anyone's, it's IBMs for designing >the original PC graphics architecture so poorly. >Joe

Ditto that, Joe. New architectures are hard to come by. :) And *** will always push the performance envelope beyond the average home computer regardless of the vendor's minimum requirements. KS

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>>we pay for someone else's sloppy coding? >Full SVGA graphics with a fast frame rate (with all details on, >640x480) for a texture-mapped, 3D game requires about the equivalent >power to a 200Mhz Pentium. I have a P133 and still have to turn some >details off (for Nascar, Indycar, and I'm sure for GP2 when it comes >out). >Now before you panic and think you'll have to spend *another* grand or >two, think 3D cards. The Rendition card is coming out this summer, and >it looks great. For a few hundred dollars you will be able to upgrade >your Pentium to have that "200Mhz Pentium" performance you need.

But that will ONLY help you if the game utilizes then 3D acceleration features of the card. If it is not especially programmed that way, the card won't make it any faster. As long there is no standard for 3D cards, I won't buy one. The modern cards have not that much in common with the "original PC graphics architecture" (wouldn't that be Hercules? or even worse?). One could say that there is no "PC graphics architecture" as such, as you can use different cards. Instead, we have the choice of using the graphics card we like. And today most people will buy PCI cards. The PCI bus is not an IBM development, it's from Intel. Greetings, Tjark Kalow

:I'm running P90 24mg Diamond 3240 2mg Vram $4000.00 CDN latter and Nascar :still won't run with full graphics? You tell me. Is this right? Why should :we pay for someone else's sloppy coding? Do you program ?? Do you realise how hard it is to do 3D texture maping fast in SVGA and how many hours it takes .. no mind the light source etc..etc.. I probely guess not!

> Hi > I've read the test in a magazine. A DX266 will be enough to run the game > in VGA with few details, but with a correct animation It's all ***I have a Cyrix 686 150+ and my two friends have P166's with all the good stuff fast g cards edo ram etc. And it's still chunky on all our machines I think it was coded in basic!. The games is not even out yet. What are you talking about.

> > Hi > > I've read the test in a magazine. A DX266 will be enough to run the game

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> > in VGA with few details, but with a correct animation > It's all ***I have a Cyrix 686 150+ and my two friends have P166's > with all the good stuff fast g cards edo ram etc. And it's still chunky > on all our machines I think it was coded in basic!. > The games is not even out yet. What are you talking about.

I agree, lets just wait to see how they run. I have a p133 with 16mb and a DS 3240...crossing my fingers. -- http://www.netins.net/showcase/mpete Nascar..Weather..OnNetCameras..Oddities..and more.. Stop on by, what can it hurt?

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> > Hi > > I've read the test in a magazine. A DX266 will be enough to run the game > > in VGA with few details, but with a correct animation > It's all ***I have a Cyrix 686 150+ and my two friends have P166's > with all the good stuff fast g cards edo ram etc. And it's still chunky > on all our machines I think it was coded in basic!. > The games is not even out yet. What are you talking about.

The game is really out in Germany. It looks great and very realistic. The sound is fantastic. It's not the fastest game but you can still enjoy playing it. On my P133 , 32 MB and PCI-Bus graphics card (2 MB) with the S3 Trio 64 chipset I get 18.2 fps in VGA mit all details turned on , but I play GP2 in SVGA with automatic deatails-setting and it's very playable. I think you and your P166 friends will get a smooth gameplay in SVGA-mode , don't worry ! Bye , your Roman

>> > Hi >> > I've read the test in a magazine. A DX266 will be enough to run the game

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>> > in VGA with few details, but with a correct animation >> It's all ***I have a Cyrix 686 150+ and my two friends have P166's >> with all the good stuff fast g cards edo ram etc. And it's still chunky >> on all our machines I think it was coded in basic!. >> The games is not even out yet. What are you talking about. >The game is really out in Germany. It looks great and very realistic. >The sound is fantastic. It's not the fastest game but you can still >enjoy playing it. On my P133 , 32 MB and PCI-Bus graphics card (2 MB) >with the S3 Trio 64 chipset I get 18.2 fps in VGA mit all details turned >on , but I play GP2 in SVGA with automatic deatails-setting and it's very >playable. I think you and your P166 friends will get a smooth gameplay

in >SVGA-mode , don't worry ! >Bye , your Roman Hi ! An Italian magazine reviewed the localized version of GP2 on a P90 with 16MB of RAM. In VGA full details they got an average frame rate of 17 fps (which is not bad, after all). In SVGA (on the same machine) with most of the details turned off they got near 15 fps; when they tried to add all the details (still in SVGA) the frame rate dropped to 8 fps (sky & asphalt textures were on). I'm sorry but no other additional details about the machine on which the game was running were included in the review. Best, Roberto -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Strhold Sistemi EDP Reggio Emilia ITALY --------------------------------------------------------------------- Acca', nisciuno e' fess ! (TOM - the red cat, Silvester's friend) ---------------------------------------------------------------------