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Hawaii MP Car Assignment Petition

11 posts by 10 people · 02 Jul 1996 - 07 Jul 1996

>If you haven't signed our petition please consider it. Papyrus insists >that what we are asking for is not deliverable. Let 'em know what you >want anyway. >http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html >Thanks, David Martin Papyrus wrote the sim, so I think they know what can and can not be done. Do you think your little "petition" is going to change things? Doubt it. Get over it. Better yet, write your own sim, and then you can add your feature. Until then, SHUT UP. Mike
MNesevit 03 Jul 1996#324446
That shouldn't be a prob. sinse the two guys you named in your post are not in NASCAR anyway. Better check the grammar :)
Chuck Stuar 03 Jul 1996#324447
Quoted text (7 lines)> If you haven't signed our petition please consider it. Papyrus insists > that what we are asking for is not deliverable. Let 'em know what you > want anyway. > http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html > Thanks, David Martin
The images of Dale Ernhart's and Darral Waldrep's cars have been exclusivly licensed to other game publishers. Papyrus/Sierra cannot allow images of those cars to run on the Hawaii server because to do so would make them liable for copyright violations. Since they can't have their lawyers setting there checking every car entered in each race for possible copyright violations, they must control the car images. Why is that so difficult to understand? Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA
>If you haven't signed our petition please consider it. Papyrus insists >that what we are asking for is not deliverable. Let 'em know what you >want anyway. >http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html >Thanks, David Martin I think this has already been proposed to Ed. And I think Ed has already addressed this issue. Personally, I dont care one way or the other as long as I have a quality racing sim and a quality network to race it on. BTW, i'm sure if you develop the code to achieve this and send it to Ed he would take a look at it. -------------- Michael Kirton
Quoted text (9 lines)>> If you haven't signed our petition please consider it. Papyrus insists >> that what we are asking for is not deliverable. Let 'em know what you >> want anyway. >The images of Dale Ernhart's and Darral Waldrep's cars have been exclusivly licensed to >other game publishers. Papyrus/Sierra cannot allow images of those cars to run on the >Hawaii server because to do so would make them liable for copyright violations. Since >they can't have their lawyers setting there checking every car entered in each race for >possible copyright violations, they must control the car images. Why is that so >difficult to understand?
The car paint jobs are applied on the users computer, not on Papyrus's server. All that is needed is a way for driver numbers on hawaii to be assigned to a particular driver in league races. The carset used is out of Papyrus's control and they have no responsibility for it. That shouldn't be difficult to understand!
Eric Busch 03 Jul 1996#324450
> That shouldn't be a prob. sinse the two guys you named in your post are > not in NASCAR anyway. Better check the grammar :) I don't think Chuck is that bad of a speller =) He was just emphasizing his point about licensing and copyright issues, hence the fictitious names that bare a remarkable resemble to those of actual Winston Cup drivers. I found it kinda humorous myself. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ Hawaii Network UserName: Buschwick
Double Clut 04 Jul 1996#324588
Well, I think that's a bit misleading. What he wants could technically be done, it would take time to download a new carset before every race though. The big issue is copyright violation. Suppose I painted up a car with some corporate logo on it, let's use Coca Cola as an example. Using their logo without permission is illegal right there. Even if I could get consent to use the logo, Papyrus would have to check every single new car, and i'm sure some people would upload a new car every day or week. Again, it could be done, but it would add to the cost of the service. I'll take a cheaper rate over an individualized car any day of the week. Someone mentioned the idea of having individualized taillight panels, so you could personalize your car each race and people could identify you better. I really really like this idea, it's doable (IMO) and a good compromise. I also hope the Lenient Loans car from the Hawaii carset makes it into the final online service, it's my favorite. :-)
I've seen a number of negative posts directed to Papyrus lately,and I would like to voice my opinion.I'm sure I speak for many,when I say to all of you at Papyrus,that no other software company has provided us with anywhere near the amount of enjoyment that you have.Your simulations are truly incredible accomplishments.I for one,can appreciate the monumental amount of time and effort it takes to create a program of this scope. Making any simulator is a logistical nightmare,and racing is especially difficult because of the large number of variables that need to be dealt with.The fact that you have achieved this goal with such a high level of success,is a tribute to your skill, intelligence,and ingenuity.I am just one voice in a vast sea of millions,but I hope you take some satisfaction in knowing that you have given me a huge amount of pure pleasure.Thank-you Papyrus,for all you have done,for all of us racing fans. Steve Bennetch
Chuck Stuar 06 Jul 1996#324826
Quoted text (14 lines)> > That shouldn't be a prob. sinse the two guys you named in your post are > > not in NASCAR anyway. Better check the grammar :) > I don't think Chuck is that bad of a speller =) > He was just emphasizing his point about licensing and copyright issues, > hence the fictitious names that bare a remarkable resemble to those of > actual Winston Cup drivers. I found it kinda humorous myself. > -- > Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences > Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ > Hawaii Network UserName: Buschwick
Dale Earnhardt and Darrell Waltrip. OK? :-) Chuck Stuart - Mesquite TX USA
Quoted text (14 lines)> > If you haven't signed our petition please consider it. Papyrus insists > > that what we are asking for is not deliverable. Let 'em know what you > > want anyway. > > http://www.card.unc.edu/~ivl/hawaii_petition.html > > Thanks, David Martin > The images of Dale Ernhart's and Darral Waldrep's cars have been exclusivly licensed to > other game publishers. Papyrus/Sierra cannot allow images of those cars to run on the > Hawaii server because to do so would make them liable for copyright violations. Since > they can't have their lawyers setting there checking every car entered in each race for > possible copyright violations, they must control the car images. Why is that so > difficult to understand?
I don't think you understand completely. They are not asking for their own paintjobs or even paintjobs of real drivers. What they are asking for, is that during League races, racers will be able to pick the same car every week(what ever the paint scheme is). That way in a league you would be recognized by your car week after week. KenH

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