All,
Over the past couple of days there has been a frenzy over this Daytona
Patch that has 'appeared' on the Internet.
First of all I'd like to set some things straight.
As far as I know, its not my patch as I never released it or uploaded
it to and Internet server unecrypted.
During the Beta test version I carefully vetted the testers and
explained the reasons why they must not pass the track around.
It IS possible that one of the Beta testers in sheer frustration over
the Daytona issue has posted one of the early Beta versions of the
patch.
However, I would be grateful if someone could post a PCX grab from the
game showing the added wall writing and new grandstand that supposedly
is in the game. This way I can be sure in my own mind that its not my
work. I suspect is is not as the file name is called DAYTONAB.ZIP and
seems to be a 'hacked' patch.
Secondly, I would like to express my congratulations to the creator of
the track for managing to crack the file format, but also to express
my frustration at the damage they may well be doing.
In my own small way as the person who got the whole Daytona debate to
a new level, I have had some fairly constructive talks with Andrew
Gurtis at Daytona and have tried to pitch our case for Daytona very
strongly.
Daytona are not the bad guys in this sordid episode, but they are
trying to protect their rights.
After the discussions I had with them, I withdrew my Daytona patch
because I believed that it may of actually jepordised any
consideration that Daytona had of letting Papyrus have the license.
However, these new patches are again jepordising the chance of the
license being granted and the 'we don't care -***you Daytona'
attitude is making things worse than I ever did.
I also despair that we are getting to the stage where we will soon be
flooded with many patches for one thing or another and the overall
quality of these sims will be jepordised and that new bugs will be
introduced.
It is possible that an inexperienced user could render a track useless
by using a util incorrectly.
Gerhard and I worked hard to make sure that what we released was worth
releasing and took car to make sure it enhanced, not degraded, the
original.
Lastly, all I ask is that people think very hard before downloading
and Daytona patches.
Do you really want to jepordise the chance of us getting an official
Daytona track or any others for that fact, just so you can get a poor
substitute made up from leftovers from other tracks?
I'm about to e-mail Andrew Gurtis and try to convince him that I
haven't released my patch and not to sue my arse to high hell over it.
If it does get serious then I may have to seriously consider whether
or not I want to continue in the sim racing world adn whether or not
to keep The Pits going.
At The Pits, we're on your side and we're trying to make things
better. Don't***it up for us.
I don't mind you having our utils on your pages, but try to refrain
from lifting the HTML straight from The Pits.
If you are going to scream and shout about your homepage and least
make sure its your own.
Thanks for listening.
Jed
The Pits
[link lost in import]
[link lost in import]
Flame warLeaked Daytona track for NASCAR Racing condemned
Track author Jed explained that a Daytona track circulating online was not his release and warned it could jeopardise legitimate track efforts. One poster replied abusively and was flamed in return, while others thanked Jed. Viewers noted Papyrus had a Daytona track shown at the Daytona USA attraction opening, though it was reportedly not for public release.
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> All, > Over the past couple of days there has been a frenzy over this Daytona > Patch that has 'appeared' on the Internet. > First of all I'd like to set some things straight. > As far as I know, its not my patch as I never released it or uploaded > it to and Internet server unecrypted. > During the Beta test version I carefully vetted the testers and > explained the reasons why they must not pass the track around. > It IS possible that one of the Beta testers in sheer frustration over > the Daytona issue has posted one of the early Beta versions of the > patch. > However, I would be grateful if someone could post a PCX grab from the > game showing the added wall writing and new grandstand that supposedly > is in the game. This way I can be sure in my own mind that its not my > work. I suspect is is not as the file name is called DAYTONAB.ZIP and > seems to be a 'hacked' patch. > Secondly, I would like to express my congratulations to the creator of > the track for managing to crack the file format, but also to express > my frustration at the damage they may well be doing. > In my own small way as the person who got the whole Daytona debate to > a new level, I have had some fairly constructive talks with Andrew > Gurtis at Daytona and have tried to pitch our case for Daytona very > strongly. > Daytona are not the bad guys in this sordid episode, but they are > trying to protect their rights. > After the discussions I had with them, I withdrew my Daytona patch > because I believed that it may of actually jepordised any > consideration that Daytona had of letting Papyrus have the license. > However, these new patches are again jepordising the chance of the > license being granted and the 'we don't care -***you Daytona' > attitude is making things worse than I ever did. > I also despair that we are getting to the stage where we will soon be > flooded with many patches for one thing or another and the overall > quality of these sims will be jepordised and that new bugs will be > introduced. > It is possible that an inexperienced user could render a track useless > by using a util incorrectly. > Gerhard and I worked hard to make sure that what we released was worth > releasing and took car to make sure it enhanced, not degraded, the > original. > Lastly, all I ask is that people think very hard before downloading > and Daytona patches. > Do you really want to jepordise the chance of us getting an official > Daytona track or any others for that fact, just so you can get a poor > substitute made up from leftovers from other tracks? > I'm about to e-mail Andrew Gurtis and try to convince him that I > haven't released my patch and not to sue my arse to high hell over it. > If it does get serious then I may have to seriously consider whether > or not I want to continue in the sim racing world adn whether or not > to keep The Pits going. > At The Pits, we're on your side and we're trying to make things > better. Don't***it up for us. > I don't mind you having our utils on your pages, but try to refrain > from lifting the HTML straight from The Pits. > If you are going to scream and shout about your homepage and least > make sure its your own. > Thanks for listening. > Jed > The Pits > [link lost in import] > [link lost in import] > Well said jed!OH QUIT WHINING PLEASE !!!!
You didnt worry about jepordizing the Indy track when you turned it loose
did you?? SO don't even preach to somebody about NOT downloading the
Daytona Patch !!! Oh yea, we might jepordize the future release of the
ORIGINAL Daytona track !!! Ha Ha Ha HA H A HA he he HE He he....Do you
understand the amount of money the owners of Daytona Papyrus/Sierra
whoever stand to make if they could ever get the copyrights straight and
actually put the track out???? You think they're gonna say.".Umm, wait a
minute, some guy pasted a few of our logos on a Taladega track in the
sim..I don't think we should participate in this multi-million number of
software sales..What do you think boss??" Ha Ha Ha ha ha he He He HE
he................. YOUR FIRED!!! Get over it Jed !!!
>OH QUIT WHINING PLEASE !!!! <<drivel snipped>>
>he................. YOUR FIRED!!! Get over it Jed !!!
You, sir, are an idiot, and obviously have no EARTHLY clue how copyright laws
in this country work.
Pat
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Jed,
I'm not sure if it was the same one but about 6 months ago , I
downloaded a "Daytona" track called DAYTONAB.ZIP and it was
terrible. I think it came from alt.binaries.simulators.autos and the
guy who "wrote" it claimed it was an untested Beta. I kept it for
about 5 minutes. It still had Taladega on the walls and ireally think
the only thing changed was the name and the distance was 2.5 miles
instead of 2.66 but it was not any different than the original. It
sounds like thats the same one going around again.
Hope this eases your conscience a little.
Mike
>>OH QUIT WHINING PLEASE !!!!
><<drivel snipped>>
>>he................. YOUR FIRED!!! Get over it Jed !!!
...and the response to that was...
...or how much Jed stands to lose personally as well as financially.
He has contributed much to the racing sim community with a lot of hard
work and effort to bring utilities and files to the racing public.
I think if we put in the time and effort to create a web site similar
to Jed's, we'd realize how much is at stake. We probably only know
about 10% of the situation, conversations, and people involved, so I
don't know how anyone could respond with the criticism witnessed in
this thread without sounding totally clueless.
KS
Hiya m8
I know it wasn't your patch. I was told by the bloke Doc Speed(I know his
real name) that it was legal and that I can distrubite it freely so I did.
I only put a link to his page on my page. I didn't even download the
thing as I can't stand nascar!!!!
Sorry for all the hassle.
The answers are there. You just have to know where to look...
Check out my web page for all your links to F1GP,Indycar,ICR2,Nascar and
X-Files.
Do it now : http://members.aol.com/ARobe85580/home.html
***, you sir,
And your mamma'
You square, boring, pathetic, dud !
Homosaywha??
You know, things might not be the most ethical or legally binding here
in this newsgroup, but regardless of cracked postings of Talledega as
Daytona on Arobe????'s web page (URL or not), meaningful debate is so
much more enjoyable to spend my dial-up dollars on than to read this
kind of unintelligent, thought-less provoking response.
If you've got something to say, at least say it with some brains and
generate some real responses from the people who frequent this
newsgroup. I should know, just look at the ICR2 patch thread from a
couple of weeks ago. ;o)
You get what you deserve, but why go asking for it? What does it
prove? I'll just filter you out with my newsreader and then, at
least, I'll feel better about reading some real posts.
KS
Um, I think the nintendo crowd is to the left.
writes:
{snip}
" Ha Ha Ha ha ha he He He HE
I got to get off AOL. You guys are right they are all morons.
Gene
> Well said jed!
You had to quote the whole thing to say this?
Jed,
Thank you for doing what you can with daytona people on or behalf, Is
there anything we can do to help?
I would love to be able to run Daytona as well as Brickyard but only
if they are legit and realistic.
Again, on behalf of those of us who are serious about our sim racing
Thank you.
Ron R II
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>All, >Over the past couple of days there has been a frenzy over this Daytona >Patch that has 'appeared' on the Internet. >First of all I'd like to set some things straight. >As far as I know, its not my patch as I never released it or uploaded >it to and Internet server unecrypted. >During the Beta test version I carefully vetted the testers and >explained the reasons why they must not pass the track around. >It IS possible that one of the Beta testers in sheer frustration over >the Daytona issue has posted one of the early Beta versions of the >patch. >However, I would be grateful if someone could post a PCX grab from the >game showing the added wall writing and new grandstand that supposedly >is in the game. This way I can be sure in my own mind that its not my >work. I suspect is is not as the file name is called DAYTONAB.ZIP and >seems to be a 'hacked' patch. >Secondly, I would like to express my congratulations to the creator of >the track for managing to crack the file format, but also to express >my frustration at the damage they may well be doing. >In my own small way as the person who got the whole Daytona debate to >a new level, I have had some fairly constructive talks with Andrew >Gurtis at Daytona and have tried to pitch our case for Daytona very >strongly. >Daytona are not the bad guys in this sordid episode, but they are >trying to protect their rights. >After the discussions I had with them, I withdrew my Daytona patch >because I believed that it may of actually jepordised any >consideration that Daytona had of letting Papyrus have the license. >However, these new patches are again jepordising the chance of the >license being granted and the 'we don't care -***you Daytona' >attitude is making things worse than I ever did. >I also despair that we are getting to the stage where we will soon be >flooded with many patches for one thing or another and the overall >quality of these sims will be jepordised and that new bugs will be >introduced. >It is possible that an inexperienced user could render a track useless >by using a util incorrectly. >Gerhard and I worked hard to make sure that what we released was worth >releasing and took car to make sure it enhanced, not degraded, the >original. >Lastly, all I ask is that people think very hard before downloading >and Daytona patches. >Do you really want to jepordise the chance of us getting an official >Daytona track or any others for that fact, just so you can get a poor >substitute made up from leftovers from other tracks? >I'm about to e-mail Andrew Gurtis and try to convince him that I >haven't released my patch and not to sue my arse to high hell over it. >If it does get serious then I may have to seriously consider whether >or not I want to continue in the sim racing world adn whether or not >to keep The Pits going. >At The Pits, we're on your side and we're trying to make things >better. Don't***it up for us. >I don't mind you having our utils on your pages, but try to refrain >from lifting the HTML straight from The Pits. >If you are going to scream and shout about your homepage and least >make sure its your own. >Thanks for listening. >Jed >The Pits >[link lost in import] >[link lost in import]>***, you sir,
> And your mamma'
>You square, boring, pathetic, dud !
>Homosaywha??
My, my! Your mastery of the English language is very becoming of you. I'm so
impressed.
Now, may I show you the confines of my KILL file, in which you will be
residing for eternity?
Pat
P.S.--Does your mommy know you talk like that? If not, she better be getting
some soap... :-/
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Lexington, AL NASCAR's Wide Load War Eagle!!!
Home Page: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pscampbe/pscindex.html
NASCAR Stats: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pscampbe/nascstat.html
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>OH QUIT WHINING PLEASE !!!! > You didnt worry about jepordizing the Indy track when you turned it loose >did you?? SO don't even preach to somebody about NOT downloading the >Daytona Patch !!! Oh yea, we might jepordize the future release of the >ORIGINAL Daytona track !!! Ha Ha Ha HA H A HA he he HE He he....Do you >understand the amount of money the owners of Daytona Papyrus/Sierra >whoever stand to make if they could ever get the copyrights straight and >actually put the track out???? You think they're gonna say.".Umm, wait a >minute, some guy pasted a few of our logos on a Taladega track in the >sim..I don't think we should participate in this multi-million number of >software sales..What do you think boss??" Ha Ha Ha ha ha he He He HE >he................. YOUR FIRED!!! Get over it Jed !!!Quoted text (11 lines)
>>***, you sir, >> And your mamma' >>You square, boring, pathetic, dud ! >>Homosaywha?? >My, my! Your mastery of the English language is very becoming of you. I'm so >impressed. >Now, may I show you the confines of my KILL file, in which you will be >residing for eternity? >Pat >P.S.--Does your mommy know you talk like that? If not, she better be getting >some soap... :-/Well said Jed !!! I just want to tell EVERYONE to stop looking for the
Daytona Patch, reguardless of the author! WHY you ask? Because Papyrus
(or Sierra if you prefer) all ready has a Daytona track!!!! How do I know
this? I saw the KING Richard petty playing NASCAR last night on the
RPM2night special for the grand opening of Daytona USA. And guess what
track he was racin'? YEP DAYTONA!!!!!! I nearly sh*t my pants!!!
So PLEASE show some patience and wait for the real deal. Also stop bashing
Jed - Daytona - Sega - The pits and anyone else involved it the legal
problems re. Daytona! They are on your side dummies!! Well maybe Sega
isn't. :-)
Cheers, and keep the shonny side up!!
Eric "Janiak"
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>Well said Jed !!! I just want to tell EVERYONE to stop looking for the >Daytona Patch, reguardless of the author! WHY you ask? Because Papyrus >(or Sierra if you prefer) all ready has a Daytona track!!!! How do I know >this? I saw the KING Richard petty playing NASCAR last night on the >RPM2night special for the grand opening of Daytona USA. And guess what >track he was racin'? YEP DAYTONA!!!!!! I nearly sh*t my pants!!! >So PLEASE show some patience and wait for the real deal. Also stop bashing >Jed - Daytona - Sega - The pits and anyone else involved it the legal >problems re. Daytona! They are on your side dummies!! Well maybe Sega >isn't. :-) >Cheers, and keep the shonny side up!! >Eric "Janiak"Quoted text (18 lines)
>>Well said Jed !!! I just want to tell EVERYONE to stop looking for the >>Daytona Patch, reguardless of the author! WHY you ask? Because Papyrus >>(or Sierra if you prefer) all ready has a Daytona track!!!! How do I know >>this? I saw the KING Richard petty playing NASCAR last night on the >>RPM2night special for the grand opening of Daytona USA. And guess what >>track he was racin'? YEP DAYTONA!!!!!! I nearly sh*t my pants!!! >>So PLEASE show some patience and wait for the real deal. Also stop bashing >>Jed - Daytona - Sega - The pits and anyone else involved it the legal >>problems re. Daytona! They are on your side dummies!! Well maybe Sega >>isn't. :-) >>Cheers, and keep the shonny side up!! >>Eric "Janiak" >Eric, > Nod I saw that too but unfortunatly I think I recall Ed Martin saying >that it was for The grand opening for Daytona USA only and wouldn't >be released to the public. <sob...> >Kind of a kick in the pants for Daytona to do the P.R. thing. >But I guess it's not their fault.: Yeah, but with all the talk we hear about programming time and all
: from programmers in general (*NOT* just Ed and them) why would they
: take time to program the track unless is going to be released?
Cuz they got paid good bucks by the Daytona USA people to do it!
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