NASCAR2 Available????

I see that NASCAR II is available for order from Sierra On-Line, but does anyone know if: 1. They're actually shipping the product OR 2. Just piling up orders for a future release date! I've called all the usual places here in Atlanta and no-one (stores) has it yet, and only Comp USA shows a new item on order, but doesn't know when it will be in. Any Info would be greatly appreciated!

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>I see that NASCAR II is available for order from Sierra On-Line, but >does anyone know if: >1. They're actually shipping the product >OR >2. Just piling up orders for a future release date! >I've called all the usual places here in Atlanta and no-one (stores) >has it yet, and only Comp USA shows a new item on order, but doesn't >know when it will be in. >Any Info would be greatly appreciated!

NASCAR 2 is NOT yet available. It will be out this fall. Ed Martin Producer, Series Director NASCAR Racing League Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.

Well, if that's right, I think it's pretty cheesy of Sierra -OnLine to put the game to put the game in the online catalog and start taking orders for it now! Same thing I noticed when I looked up ICR2 for Win95, Does Sierra always start marketing games as being available and selling them MONTHS before they ever plan on shipping them? RD

> Well, if that's right, I think it's pretty cheesy of Sierra -OnLine to put > the game to put the game in the online catalog and start taking orders for > it now! Same thing I noticed when I looked up ICR2 for Win95, Does Sierra > always start marketing games as being available and selling them MONTHS > before they ever plan on shipping them? Most game companies do. It's a good idea as you know that you have a copy reserved for you and you don't have to rush out to the store to make shure that you get one. The thing that is really cheesy is that Papyrus said that the Dos/Win95 patch would be downloadable and we would have to pay for it. Guess what? In a quote from both Ed and Rick "It will be available at the end of the month in stores." As far as I'm concerned the store will make me pay. I would like to ask Ed or Rick if they were originally going to release it for download but is Sierra forcing you to put it out in stores. They are known for making vaporware. As in Front Page Sports the inly upgrade from the '95 version to the '96 was the graphics. The AI was improved only a little, the graphics for the menu's and playing field where improved, but that's all. And they charged $50 for that. Unless you had the '95 version you paid $35. But still I would expect a lot more than graphics and AI to pay full price. Just my 2 cents. -- Robert Knauber SRA Series Director http://www.erols.com/dknauber/sra/top.html

I think what Rick and Ed are referring to is that an upgrade will be available for download on the net. If you want the full version, you will have to buy it, but if you have v1.0, you just need to get the free upgrade of the the net. Chris

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>> Well, if that's right, I think it's pretty cheesy of Sierra -OnLine to put >> the game to put the game in the online catalog and start taking orders for >> it now! Same thing I noticed when I looked up ICR2 for Win95, Does Sierra >> always start marketing games as being available and selling them MONTHS >> before they ever plan on shipping them? >Most game companies do. It's a good idea as you know that you have a copy reserved for >you and you don't have to rush out to the store to make shure that you get one. >The thing that is really cheesy is that Papyrus said that the Dos/Win95 patch would be >downloadable and we would have to pay for it. Guess what? In a quote from both Ed and >Rick "It will be available at the end of the month in stores." As far as I'm concerned >the store will make me pay. I would like to ask Ed or Rick if they were originally >going to release it for download but is Sierra forcing you to put it out in stores. >They are known for making vaporware. As in Front Page Sports the inly upgrade from the >'95 version to the '96 was the graphics. The AI was improved only a little, the >graphics for the menu's and playing field where improved, but that's all. And they >charged $50 for that. Unless you had the '95 version you paid $35. But still I would >expect a lot more than graphics and AI to pay full price. Just my 2 cents. >-- >Robert Knauber >SRA Series Director >http://www.erols.com/dknauber/sra/top.html

Software companies are like any other business, they need to have money coming in to stay open. If they can get someone to pre-order a game and send their money early, that's operating capital for them until the game actually ships. That's also why lots of companies charge for update disks, they get money without releasing much product.

>The thing that is really cheesy is that Papyrus said that the Dos/Win95 patch >would be >downloadable and we would have to pay for it. Eh? The patch should be online toward the end of this week. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

>The thing that is really cheesy is that Papyrus said that the Dos/Win95 >patch would be downloadable and we would have to pay for it. Guess what? >In a quote from both Ed and Rick "It will be available at the end of the >month in stores." As far as I'm concerned the store will make me pay. Here's a message that Rick Genter wrote earlier this week. I don't see anything in it that would lead me to believe that you are going to have to pay for it. I think I remember someone (perhaps Rick) from Papyrus saying months ago that if you wanted to receive the upgrade by mail, there would be a nominal charge ($10?), which seems reasonable to me. Dave "davids" Sparks Sequoia Motorsports

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>>The thing that is really cheesy is that Papyrus said that the Dos/Win95 >patch >>would be >>downloadable and we would have to pay for it. >Eh? The patch should be online toward the end of this week. >Rick Genter >Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II >Sierra On-Line, Inc.

Very cool... but somebody needs to tell Sierra- the tech guy I emailed (Jason) could only say that no patch was avaiable (today is friday), and didn't answer where it might be posted or when. I'm dying for the patch. Here's sierra's email, if you want to encourage them too: