screw INDY - add MICHIGAN to your championship season!

show those buttheads of the IRL who we really support! CART rules. Buzzy Lazier is a CRIPPLED 2nd rate driver! Jimmy Vassar rules!

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>show those buttheads of the IRL who we really support! >CART rules. >Buzzy Lazier is a CRIPPLED 2nd rate driver! >Jimmy Vassar rules!

At least the IRL didn't have a crash BEFORE the green that took out over half of the field. Both Indy leagues suck for trying to do what they are doing. They are all Wine and Cheese racers anyway. "Biff, give me a glass of Red wine, and air up the tires while I have a manicure.." Mike

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This is why NASCAR Racing is now the premier form of automobile racing. Sure, the old rip about never turning right might be applicable for almost all of NASCAR's tracks, but you have to admit that the administration, teams, sponsors and drivers know how to make a racing league work. NASCAR is the only form of racing for me and everyone can feel confident that a split will NEVER occur in NASCAR as long as the administration continues to handle the league as well as it does. Kirn Cromur

>show those buttheads of the IRL who we really support! >CART rules. >Buzzy Lazier is a CRIPPLED 2nd rate driver! Thats a pretty cold thing to say, sure he probably would not have won if the CART guys were there but he would have my admiration just for simply finishing a 500 mile race with a fractured spine. Or perhaps Vasser & co. would of wiped him out on the pace lap :> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MP Scurvydog #00 Simpson-Cowlings Motorsports http://pages.prodigy.com/Scurvy/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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> show those buttheads of the IRL who we really support! > CART rules. > Buzzy Lazier is a CRIPPLED 2nd rate driver! > Jimmy Vassar rules!

Ok, I support the IRL so I guess I'll just keep Indy in my season.

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> show those buttheads of the IRL who we really support! > CART rules. > Buzzy Lazier is a CRIPPLED 2nd rate driver! > Jimmy Vassar rules!

You're just plain fu__ing stupid. I am no particular fan IRL but for someone in his position (broken pelvis, back, & wallet) I think that this guy deserves a pat on the back. As for his being second rate, what are you driving, A joystick??? He went out in pain and put his balls on the chopping block just to try. He succeded. What have you done for racing lately? There are thousands of racers and their families around America and the world that get by without the millions of dollars some of these teams get, and they put on as good a show if not better. They do it without the pampering and whining that the "Pro's" get, All in the name of fun. E***ment AND fun are the spirit behind racing that makes it great. Get off your soapbox (and your ass) and do something positive. I apologize to those offended by my response to this guy but sometimes stupidity just gets under my skin.

: At least the IRL didn't have a crash BEFORE the green that took out : over half of the field. The IRL start was so strung-out that there was no chance ANYONE could tagged the wall. Anyone with a brain woulda yellow-flagged that start and had them come around again. : They are all Wine and Cheese racers anyway. "Biff, give me a glass of : Red wine, and air up the tires while I have a manicure.." Something tells me that you'd never hear guys like Unser Jr. saying that. You want to talk about wine and cheese drivers, look at Cheever in the IRL--he's probably still loaded from his F1 days. Heck he lives/used to live in Monaco, for heaven's sake. Alboreto, Velez, Jourdain, etc. _____ _ _ "Nothing in the world can take |_ _| |__ _ _ _ __ __| | ___ _ __ the place of persistence... | | | '_ \| | | | '_ \ / _` |/ _ \ '__| Persistence and Determination |_| |_| |_|\__,_|_| |_|\__,_|\___|_| alone are omnipotent." John Hagenmaier 1932

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>>show those buttheads of the IRL who we really support! >>CART rules. >>Buzzy Lazier is a CRIPPLED 2nd rate driver! >Thats a pretty cold thing to say, sure he probably would not >have won if the CART guys were there but he would have >my admiration just for simply finishing a 500 mile race with >a fractured spine. Or perhaps Vasser & co. would of >wiped him out on the pace lap :>

I stand behind Cart 100% .........BUT...........comeon thats very cruel ........the man broke his back 2 months ago ..........and look at cart only 27 racers and 12 of those got banged up on the pace lap ........ look as if they all have been racin on the Multi-Racer Thinggy.......<G>

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> show those buttheads of the IRL who we really support! > CART rules. > Buzzy Lazier is a CRIPPLED 2nd rate driver! > Jimmy Vassar rules!

I resect your point of view. However, despite the feud between George and Craig, there is no reason to take it out on the drivers. BUDDY Lazier is a very respected driver in racing circles. It took a lot of determination for Lazier to drive despite his pain. I remember Jimmy VASSER when he first came to Indy. He didn't have much respect either.

writes With a worldwide audience billions more than NASCAR, many F1 fans would say you are mistaken there. _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ _________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |_________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____:/ Sim Racing News \.____|::|__| \ /_______:/ \::/ http://www.dcn.ed.ac.uk/pulse/index.htm \::/ \._______\

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>writes >>This is why NASCAR Racing is now the premier form of automobile racing. >With a worldwide audience billions more than NASCAR, many F1 fans would >say you are mistaken there. > _________________________________ > __ _____| |_____ __ >_________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |_________ > \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < > / :|__|::|____:/ Sim Racing News \.____|::|__| \ >/_______:/ \::/ http://www.dcn.ed.ac.uk/pulse/index.htm \::/ \._______\

Two reasons why Nascar is becoming so popular. 1. The fan can buy virtually the same body style of car that won on Sunday. Can't go to a Lola dealer or even a Ferrari dealer and test driver the Indy Car or the F1 Car. 2. This a Circuit with mostly Americans, except for a Japanese guy who drove SuperTrucks last year and a Canadian guy who drove Nascar. (FORGIVE Me for not including names) F1 is popular in Europe for mainly the same reason. Opinions do not determine which sport is better. In fact the three Circuits are Worlds apart. Same goes for Drag Racing. I watch a Mini-Cup race with some drag racers racing on oval track. It seems they could not drive the ovals, but this didn't make them BAD DRIVERS. It simple means there's a huge differance in the sports. Thank you for letting me spout off, Randy Young BTW a Nascar Fan!

>Jimmy Vassar rules! BUt he needed two cars to win the friggin race!

>Two reasons why Nascar is becoming so popular. >1. The fan can buy virtually the same body style of car that won on Sunday. Can't go to a Lola dealer or even a Ferrari dealer and test driver the Indy Car or the F1 Car. I didn't know the Monte Carlos that are driven in NASCAR were front wheel drive... -- Michael Eskandarian | I'm in the monkey business, | and business is booming.

On Wed, 29 May 1996 19:35:46 +0100, John Wallace >writes >>This is why NASCAR Racing is now the premier form of automobile racing. >With a worldwide audience billions more than NASCAR, many F1 fans would >say you are mistaken there. This is probably one argument that shouldn't take place here on this newsgroup. (covers eyes to avoid seeing ***bath between NASCAR, F1, and Indy freaks) -- IWCCCARS Project Coordinator Racer's Choice Web Directory Editor Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS

(Michael Eskandarian) writes: Young) writes: >>On Wed, 29 May 1996 19:35:46 +0100, John Wallace >>Two reasons why Nascar is becoming so popular. >>1. The fan can buy virtually the same body style of car that won on Sunday. Can't go to a Lola dealer or even a Ferrari dealer and test driver the Indy Car or the F1 Car. >I didn't know the Monte Carlos that are driven in NASCAR were front wheel drive... >-- >Michael Eskandarian | I'm in the monkey business, > | and business is booming. Did you see the phrase "BODY STYLE"????? Duh. Monte Carlos you buy in the dealer don't have roof flaps, or Ford 9" rear-ends, or 10" wide tires, or roll-bars, or..... Mike

Strangely enough, that's one of the things I LIKE about F1 - who wants to watch the same thing they driver everyday? F1 is not popular only in Europe, actually in every country in the world EXCEPT the United States would be more accurate. Brazil has a HUGE F1 following, and even Japan was the country where Senna had most fans outside Brazil - that's why I said F1 is a much bigger sport than NASCAR. Not better, not more skillful - we can't prove either of those one way or the other. But it is undoubtedly bigger which is what we were talking about. Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ _________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |_________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____:/ Sim Racing News \.____|::|__| \ /_______:/ \::/ http://www.dcn.ed.ac.uk/pulse/index.htm \::/ \._______\

> >Two reasons why Nascar is becoming so popular. > >1. The fan can buy virtually the same body style of car that won on Sunday. Can't go to a Lola dealer or even a Ferrari dealer and test driver the Indy Car or the F1 Car. This is completely irrelevant in open-wheel racing. The brand makes a huge difference in F1 but, in relative terms, it doesn't in IndyCar. But as far as I know every NASCAR fan drives some sort of truck or tractor, or so it seems, hence it is even more irrelevant in USA's premier racing league. ;-) I really wonder if "what wins on Sunday, sells on Monday" holds true today. In F1 and IndyCar definetily not. And in NASCAR the cars are almost identical in performance, except for Pontiac even though they have improved, so what wins is due to the driver and a lot less to the car. Given that I guess Dale Jarret dolls would sell really well on Monday. :) The worst is that I think NASCAR fans would buy them. Imagine a bunch of rednecks sitting on your desk. Ouch! -- --- Terje Wold Johansen --- http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjjo/ --- "I am your inferior superior." O.W.

>>Jimmy Vassar rules! >BUt he needed two cars to win the friggin race! Two cars - and another driver to intentionally cause a yellow flag to put Vasser back in the lead lap...

I believe he said BODY STYLE not actual car. Gene