OT: Athlon64's and Installers

All, My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with one exception. On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the updates from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that states some sort of a memory reference error. It does not crash the system, and it does not affect the installation of the drivers or software. it has only happened with one or two installers. Anyone else seen this? I'm thinking it's more of an installer issue than a driver/software issue. Other than that, it's been flawless. The thing will even boot from a USB hard drive, which caught me off-guard when I was setting it up. I had an IBM porta-drive connected that I had backed everything up to (no boot system) and the BIOS picked up on it. I got a couple of failed boot messages from the BIOS before I figured out what was going on :) -Larry

BTW... The case I used for this new system is the Antec "Sonata". It's a damned fine case methinks. It uses 120MM fans so it's very quite, and it has their low-noise 380 watt supply. Everything uses RAILS and the drives slide in from the SIDE, which makes plumbing incredibly easy. And, for the first time ever, all of the front panel ports (USB, FireWire, etc...) were PLUG and PLAY! The all head the proper block connectors that matched _perfectly_ with the associate ports on the Motherboard. The only connections that were still 'single-pinned' were the typical HD Light, Power and Speaker and that's because there is no standard for that connector block on motherboards (yet). The finish is near Piano-Black quality, and it's built like a tank. External drives are covered by a door so my white drives are hidden away finally :) I have experienced no cooling issues whatsoever. Those 120mm fans move a TON of air and do it quitely. You hear more a whoosh from the air itself than you do the fans. For $119 I think this thing is awesome. If one had to find a complaint, it would be that the motherboard tray is not removeable. For some reason Antec still isn't on tha bandwagon. But there is more than enough room and installing the board was no issue whatsoever. I recommend you take a look if you are building a new machine and need a new case. it is steel, so it's a bit heavier than the Lian-Li's and other aluminums, but it sure isn't gonna fall apart :) Larry wrote:

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> All, > > My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with > one exception. > > On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the updates > from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that states some sort > of a memory reference error. > > It does not crash the system, and it does not affect the installation of > the drivers or software. > > it has only happened with one or two installers. > > Anyone else seen this? > > I'm thinking it's more of an installer issue than a driver/software issue. > > Other than that, it's been flawless. > > The thing will even boot from a USB hard drive, which caught me > off-guard when I was setting it up. I had an IBM porta-drive connected > that I had backed everything up to (no boot system) and the BIOS picked > up on it. I got a couple of failed boot messages from the BIOS before I > figured out what was going on :) > > -Larry

Ive got an Athlon 64 3200 and have not experienced any issues like that ... "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oNj2d.300027$Oi.239524@fed1read04...

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> BTW... > > The case I used for this new system is the Antec "Sonata". > > It's a damned fine case methinks. > > It uses 120MM fans so it's very quite, and it has their low-noise 380 watt > supply. > > Everything uses RAILS and the drives slide in from the SIDE, which makes > plumbing incredibly easy. > > And, for the first time ever, all of the front panel ports (USB, FireWire, > etc...) were PLUG and PLAY! The all head the proper block connectors that > matched _perfectly_ with the associate ports on the Motherboard. > > The only connections that were still 'single-pinned' were the typical HD > Light, Power and Speaker and that's because there is no standard for that > connector block on motherboards (yet). > > The finish is near Piano-Black quality, and it's built like a tank. > > External drives are covered by a door so my white drives are hidden away > finally :) > > I have experienced no cooling issues whatsoever. Those 120mm fans move a > TON of air and do it quitely. You hear more a whoosh from the air itself > than you do the fans. > > For $119 I think this thing is awesome. > > If one had to find a complaint, it would be that the motherboard tray is > not removeable. For some reason Antec still isn't on tha bandwagon. > > But there is more than enough room and installing the board was no issue > whatsoever. > > I recommend you take a look if you are building a new machine and need a > new case. > > it is steel, so it's a bit heavier than the Lian-Li's and other aluminums, > but it sure isn't gonna fall apart :) > > > Larry wrote: >> All, >> >> My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with one >> exception. >> >> On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the updates >> from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that states some sort >> of a memory reference error. >> >> It does not crash the system, and it does not affect the installation of >> the drivers or software. >> >> it has only happened with one or two installers. >> >> Anyone else seen this? >> >> I'm thinking it's more of an installer issue than a driver/software >> issue. >> >> Other than that, it's been flawless. >> >> The thing will even boot from a USB hard drive, which caught me off-guard >> when I was setting it up. I had an IBM porta-drive connected that I had >> backed everything up to (no boot system) and the BIOS picked up on it. I >> got a couple of failed boot messages from the BIOS before I figured out >> what was going on :) >> >> -Larry

Ive been using the Sonata case for quite some time. Yeah its nice. You mentioned that this case doesnt use a tray for HD's. This is true but at least you can use the side clips that make the HDs removable quite easily. As the other poster mentioned your combo is memory finicky maybe swap out a few sticks if you have that option.. Mitch

Cool, thanks. I'm sure it's just "one of those things". Winders is Winders after all! -Larry Phillip Malphrus, Jr. wrote:

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> Ive got an Athlon 64 3200 and have not experienced any issues like that ... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oNj2d.300027$Oi.239524@fed1read04... > >>BTW... >> >>The case I used for this new system is the Antec "Sonata". >> >>It's a damned fine case methinks. >> >>It uses 120MM fans so it's very quite, and it has their low-noise 380 watt >>supply. >> >>Everything uses RAILS and the drives slide in from the SIDE, which makes >>plumbing incredibly easy. >> >>And, for the first time ever, all of the front panel ports (USB, FireWire, >>etc...) were PLUG and PLAY! The all head the proper block connectors that >>matched _perfectly_ with the associate ports on the Motherboard. >> >>The only connections that were still 'single-pinned' were the typical HD >>Light, Power and Speaker and that's because there is no standard for that >>connector block on motherboards (yet). >> >>The finish is near Piano-Black quality, and it's built like a tank. >> >>External drives are covered by a door so my white drives are hidden away >>finally :) >> >>I have experienced no cooling issues whatsoever. Those 120mm fans move a >>TON of air and do it quitely. You hear more a whoosh from the air itself >>than you do the fans. >> >>For $119 I think this thing is awesome. >> >>If one had to find a complaint, it would be that the motherboard tray is >>not removeable. For some reason Antec still isn't on tha bandwagon. >> >>But there is more than enough room and installing the board was no issue >>whatsoever. >> >>I recommend you take a look if you are building a new machine and need a >>new case. >> >>it is steel, so it's a bit heavier than the Lian-Li's and other aluminums, >>but it sure isn't gonna fall apart :) >> >> >>Larry wrote: >> >>>All, >>> >>>My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with one >>>exception. >>> >>>On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the updates >>>from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that states some sort >>>of a memory reference error. >>> >>>It does not crash the system, and it does not affect the installation of >>>the drivers or software. >>> >>>it has only happened with one or two installers. >>> >>>Anyone else seen this? >>> >>>I'm thinking it's more of an installer issue than a driver/software >>>issue. >>> >>>Other than that, it's been flawless. >>> >>>The thing will even boot from a USB hard drive, which caught me off-guard >>>when I was setting it up. I had an IBM porta-drive connected that I had >>>backed everything up to (no boot system) and the BIOS picked up on it. I >>>got a couple of failed boot messages from the BIOS before I figured out >>>what was going on :) >>> >>>-Larry > > >

Mitch, I think you mis-read part of what I wrote. I LOVE the drive cages and the way the drives mount. The rubber isolaters are a nice touch. I was talking about the Motherboard Tray not being removeable. As for the memory, that's not where the issue lies. This system has been up without a restart since Monday and since I've been working from home it's had constant use, including gaming. If I had memory issues, they would have shown up elsewhere as well. After I built it it ran a low-level memory tester overnight with no defects. So, in _theory_, it should not be a memory issue :) -Larry Mitch_A wrote:

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> Ive been using the Sonata case for quite some time. Yeah its nice. You > mentioned that this case doesnt use a tray for HD's. This is true but at > least you can use the side clips that make the HDs removable quite easily. > > As the other poster mentioned your combo is memory finicky maybe swap out a > few sticks if you have that option.. > > Mitch > > >

Yeah I mis-read it. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Mitch, > > I think you mis-read part of what I wrote. > > I LOVE the drive cages and the way the drives mount. The rubber isolaters > are a nice touch. > > I was talking about the Motherboard Tray not being removeable. > > As for the memory, that's not where the issue lies. This system has been > up without a restart since Monday and since I've been working from home > it's had constant use, including gaming. If I had memory issues, they > would have shown up elsewhere as well. > > After I built it it ran a low-level memory tester overnight with no > defects. > > So, in _theory_, it should not be a memory issue :) > > -Larry > > Mitch_A wrote: >> Ive been using the Sonata case for quite some time. Yeah its nice. You >> mentioned that this case doesnt use a tray for HD's. This is true but at >> least you can use the side clips that make the HDs removable quite >> easily. >> >> As the other poster mentioned your combo is memory finicky maybe swap out >> a few sticks if you have that option.. >> >> Mitch >> >>

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RDj2d.2352$fA1.1289@lakeread02...

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> All, > > My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with one > exception. > > On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the updates > from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that states some sort > of a memory reference error.

I've had this happen randomly with my old windows XP install, it had something to do with the .NET Framework 1.1, I reinstalled that and it went away. There is a small chance it would actually be the memory, but for now treat it like a software problem, but run some memory test programs.

Thanks for the great info Larry, I am about to do the same upgrade, to the A8V Athlon 64 as well, and was debating what a good case would be. Sounds like just what I would like. Have you overclocked that puppy yet? I ain't happy unless I am overclocking :). I am currently running the A7N8X Deluxe version 2, with an Athlon Barton XP 2800+, overclocked to 3200+ speeds. Pretty happy still with my system, but the urge to upgrade to 64 bit is starting to hit me. -- Don Burnette Larry wrote: > BTW... > > The case I used for this new system is the Antec "Sonata". > > It's a damned fine case methinks. > > It uses 120MM fans so it's very quite, and it has their low-noise 380 > watt supply. > > Everything uses RAILS and the drives slide in from the SIDE, which > makes plumbing incredibly easy. > > And, for the first time ever, all of the front panel ports (USB, > FireWire, etc...) were PLUG and PLAY! The all head the proper block > connectors that matched _perfectly_ with the associate ports on the > Motherboard. > > The only connections that were still 'single-pinned' were the typical > HD Light, Power and Speaker and that's because there is no standard > for that connector block on motherboards (yet). > > The finish is near Piano-Black quality, and it's built like a tank. > > External drives are covered by a door so my white drives are hidden > away finally :) > > I have experienced no cooling issues whatsoever. Those 120mm fans > move a TON of air and do it quitely. You hear more a whoosh from the > air itself than you do the fans. > > For $119 I think this thing is awesome. > > If one had to find a complaint, it would be that the motherboard tray > is not removeable. For some reason Antec still isn't on tha > bandwagon. > But there is more than enough room and installing the board was no > issue whatsoever. > > I recommend you take a look if you are building a new machine and > need a new case. > > it is steel, so it's a bit heavier than the Lian-Li's and other > aluminums, but it sure isn't gonna fall apart :) > > > Larry wrote: >> All, >> >> My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with >> one exception. >> >> On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the >> updates from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that >> states some sort of a memory reference error. >> >> It does not crash the system, and it does not affect the >> installation of the drivers or software. >> >> it has only happened with one or two installers. >> >> Anyone else seen this? >> >> I'm thinking it's more of an installer issue than a driver/software >> issue. Other than that, it's been flawless. >> >> The thing will even boot from a USB hard drive, which caught me >> off-guard when I was setting it up. I had an IBM porta-drive >> connected that I had backed everything up to (no boot system) and >> the BIOS picked up on it. I got a couple of failed boot messages >> from the BIOS before I figured out what was going on :) >> >> -Larry

If the sonata is too expensive, theres a lighter version with a lot of the same features (except the sideways drive cage) http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-129-122&DEPA=1 "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks for the great info Larry, I am about to do the same upgrade, to the > A8V Athlon 64 as well, and was debating what a good case would be. Sounds > like just what I would like. > > Have you overclocked that puppy yet? I ain't happy unless I am > overclocking :). I am currently running the A7N8X Deluxe version 2, with > an Athlon Barton XP 2800+, overclocked to 3200+ speeds. Pretty happy still > with my system, but the urge to upgrade to 64 bit is starting to hit me. > > > > > -- > Don Burnette > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: >> BTW... >> >> The case I used for this new system is the Antec "Sonata". >> >> It's a damned fine case methinks. >> >> It uses 120MM fans so it's very quite, and it has their low-noise 380 >> watt supply. >> >> Everything uses RAILS and the drives slide in from the SIDE, which >> makes plumbing incredibly easy. >> >> And, for the first time ever, all of the front panel ports (USB, >> FireWire, etc...) were PLUG and PLAY! The all head the proper block >> connectors that matched _perfectly_ with the associate ports on the >> Motherboard. >> >> The only connections that were still 'single-pinned' were the typical >> HD Light, Power and Speaker and that's because there is no standard >> for that connector block on motherboards (yet). >> >> The finish is near Piano-Black quality, and it's built like a tank. >> >> External drives are covered by a door so my white drives are hidden >> away finally :) >> >> I have experienced no cooling issues whatsoever. Those 120mm fans >> move a TON of air and do it quitely. You hear more a whoosh from the >> air itself than you do the fans. >> >> For $119 I think this thing is awesome. >> >> If one had to find a complaint, it would be that the motherboard tray >> is not removeable. For some reason Antec still isn't on tha >> bandwagon. >> But there is more than enough room and installing the board was no >> issue whatsoever. >> >> I recommend you take a look if you are building a new machine and >> need a new case. >> >> it is steel, so it's a bit heavier than the Lian-Li's and other >> aluminums, but it sure isn't gonna fall apart :) >> >> >> Larry wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with >>> one exception. >>> >>> On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the >>> updates from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that >>> states some sort of a memory reference error. >>> >>> It does not crash the system, and it does not affect the >>> installation of the drivers or software. >>> >>> it has only happened with one or two installers. >>> >>> Anyone else seen this? >>> >>> I'm thinking it's more of an installer issue than a driver/software >>> issue. Other than that, it's been flawless. >>> >>> The thing will even boot from a USB hard drive, which caught me >>> off-guard when I was setting it up. I had an IBM porta-drive >>> connected that I had backed everything up to (no boot system) and >>> the BIOS picked up on it. I got a couple of failed boot messages >>> from the BIOS before I figured out what was going on :) >>> >>> -Larry > > >

Sorry, I'm not in to overclocking. The system is already fast and stable, and I prefer it stay that way :) -Larry Don Burnette wrote:

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> Thanks for the great info Larry, I am about to do the same upgrade, to the > A8V Athlon 64 as well, and was debating what a good case would be. Sounds > like just what I would like. > > Have you overclocked that puppy yet? I ain't happy unless I am overclocking > :). I am currently running the A7N8X Deluxe version 2, with an Athlon Barton > XP 2800+, overclocked to 3200+ speeds. Pretty happy still with my system, > but the urge to upgrade to 64 bit is starting to hit me. > > > >

I do in fact have .NET Framework installed because of (and only because of) the new Catalyst Control Center. Interesting... -Larry fredrickson wrote:

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RDj2d.2352$fA1.1289@lakeread02... > >>All, >> >>My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless with one >>exception. >> >>On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the updates >>from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that states some sort >>of a memory reference error. > > > I've had this happen randomly with my old windows XP install, it had > something to do with the .NET Framework 1.1, I reinstalled that and it went > away. There is a small chance it would actually be the memory, but for now > treat it like a software problem, but run some memory test programs. > >

I have the updated .net framework, however I did not install the new Catalyst Control Center - I have been satisfied with the regular control panel along with ATI tool. Would the new CCC offer more for me? -- Don Burnette Larry wrote: > I do in fact have .NET Framework installed because of (and only > because of) the new Catalyst Control Center. > > Interesting... > > -Larry > > fredrickson wrote: >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:RDj2d.2352$fA1.1289@lakeread02... >> >>> All, >>> >>> My new Asus A8V/Athlon64 3500 system has been literally flawless >>> with one exception. >>> >>> On occasion when installing software/drivers (for example, the >>> updates from creative.com), at the very end I get an error that >>> states some sort of a memory reference error. >> >> >> I've had this happen randomly with my old windows XP install, it had >> something to do with the .NET Framework 1.1, I reinstalled that and >> it went away. There is a small chance it would actually be the >> memory, but for now treat it like a software problem, but run some >> memory test programs.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tGA2d.301112$Oi.218113@fed1read04... >I do in fact have .NET Framework installed because of (and only because of) >the new Catalyst Control Center. > > Interesting... > > -Larry I asked my operating systems teacher about it when it happened(he's a nut), and he said something like that with all the .dll's it modifies just gets screwy with all the different versions of files laying around, so that some of the pointers dont match up right. aka bugs

Larry wrote: > I do in fact have .NET Framework installed because of (and only because > of) the new Catalyst Control Center. > > Interesting... If, like me, you installed .NET just because of ATI's infernal CCC you may want to install .NET CF's service pack if you haven't already. It's not really documented as a requirement anywhere but *does* get rid of some of .NET's annoying niggles (Such as removing the need to login at each Windows boot time.) and may also cure this installer problem. <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=a8f5654f-088e-40b2-bbdb-a83353618b38&displaylang=en> HTH, Alan.

Yep, have that installed :) -Larry Alan C. Daly wrote:

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> Larry wrote: > >> I do in fact have .NET Framework installed because of (and only >> because of) the new Catalyst Control Center. >> >> Interesting... > > > If, like me, you installed .NET just because of ATI's infernal CCC you > may want to install .NET CF's service pack if you haven't already. It's > not really documented as a requirement anywhere but *does* get rid of > some of .NET's annoying niggles (Such as removing the need to login at > each Windows boot time.) and may also cure this installer problem. > > <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=a8f5654f-088e-40b2-bbdb-a83353618b38&displaylang=en> > > > HTH, > > Alan. >