HAWAII: Tracks and NASCAR's sanctioning

Everyone -- I was thinking about this for a bit. In light of the recent sanctioning of the MP service by NASCAR, I've been considering previous precedent with new NASCAR touring series regarding tracks. Now, as we all know, the Daytona 500 is, was, and always will be the crown race of the Winston Cup series. However, we all know that not all of NASCAR's touring series run at Daytona (witness Busch North, Winston West, etc.). In fact, no NASCAR touring series runs on the exact same schedule of tracks. The Craftsman Trucks series have Phoenix and Homestead as their crown events, for example, and the Busch series runs races at different short tracks (Nazareth, Nashville, etc.) during its season. So, since Papyrus MP is NASCAR's newest division, why don't we stop worrying about Daytona and Indianapolis (which are probably going to be held up in legal snafus forever) and instead petition Papyrus to build two NEW ovals? Unique ovals, not just a ported C***te or Talladega. Heck, it worked in Las Vegas and Texas for Winston Cup! And what about Disney World (IRL) or Homestead (Trucks/IndyCars)? I think that to recognize the event we should get a brand new venue or two. It would give our division a sense of uniqueness and identity. Why should OUR series run all the same tracks as Winston Cup? Wouldn't that just make MP a "Winston Wannabe" league? :-) If we had new venues sprinkled into the old favorites, then even the veteran Winston Cup drivers would have a challenge racing in our division. Imagine Jeff Gordon or Bobby Labonte struggling to qualify for a new 1.5 mile track situated in, say, St. Louis! Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that NASCAR II should not have the full Winston Cup schedule of tracks. I'm speaking solely of Multiplayer as a new NASCAR division. Papyrus should (and probably will) continue to try to get Indy and Daytona if they can. But possibilities are limitless in Multiplayer. Just a thought... -- IWCCCARS Project Coordinator Racer's Choice Web Directory Editor Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS

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>So, since Papyrus MP is NASCAR's newest division, why don't we stop >worrying about Daytona and Indianapolis (which are probably going to >be held up in legal snafus forever) and instead petition Papyrus to >build two NEW ovals? Unique ovals, not just a ported C***te or >Talladega. Heck, it worked in Las Vegas and Texas for Winston Cup! >And what about Disney World (IRL) or Homestead (Trucks/IndyCars)? I >think that to recognize the event we should get a brand new venue or >two. It would give our division a sense of uniqueness and identity. >Why should OUR series run all the same tracks as Winston Cup? >Wouldn't that just make MP a "Winston Wannabe" league? :-) If we had >new venues sprinkled into the old favorites, then even the veteran >Winston Cup drivers would have a challenge racing in our division. >Imagine Jeff Gordon or Bobby Labonte struggling to qualify for a new >1.5 mile track situated in, say, St. Louis! >Just a thought... >-- >IWCCCARS Project Coordinator >Racer's Choice Web Directory Editor >Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS

I like the idea Tony, but how about some of the tracks no longer running in WC? Bring back Riverside, CA, or maybe some of the BGN tracks, Nashville, Hickory, etc... Matt Myers --------------------------------------------- Expressing individualism is just plain wrong. Crow T. Robot

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>So, since Papyrus MP is NASCAR's newest division, why don't we stop >worrying about Daytona and Indianapolis (which are probably going to >be held up in legal snafus forever) and instead petition Papyrus to >build two NEW ovals? Unique ovals, not just a ported C***te or >Talladega. Heck, it worked in Las Vegas and Texas for Winston Cup! >And what about Disney World (IRL) or Homestead (Trucks/IndyCars)? I >think that to recognize the event we should get a brand new venue or >two. It would give our division a sense of uniqueness and identity. >Why should OUR series run all the same tracks as Winston Cup? >Wouldn't that just make MP a "Winston Wannabe" league? :-) If we had >new venues sprinkled into the old favorites, then even the veteran >Winston Cup drivers would have a challenge racing in our division. >Imagine Jeff Gordon or Bobby Labonte struggling to qualify for a new >1.5 mile track situated in, say, St. Louis!

I really LIKE this idea! But rather than just a bunch of new ovals, how about another unique track, in the way that Pocono is unique. Maybe a combination oval/road course? I'd also like to see another short track, like Nashville or Portland added to the season. Dave "davids" Sparks Sequoia Motorsports

veteran Winston Cup drivers would have a challenge racing in our division. Imagine Jeff Gordon or Bobby Labonte struggling to qualify for a new 1.5 mile track situated in, say, St. Louis!<< What about travel costs? Some of the small teams may not be able to afford the cost of transporting their car cross country. I think we should stay on the east coast. All kidding aside, I agree with you. As a side note, maybe ESPN, ABC, CBS, TNN, or TBS will even put some of the races on TV!!! Michael Day Hawaii Racer ID: M_DAY

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> >So, since Papyrus MP is NASCAR's newest division, why don't we stop > >worrying about Daytona and Indianapolis (which are probably going to > >be held up in legal snafus forever) and instead petition Papyrus to > >build two NEW ovals?...[snip] > I really LIKE this idea! But rather than just a bunch of new ovals, how > about another unique track, in the way that Pocono is unique. Maybe a[snip]

------- Or how about an editor that lets us design our own tracks? Considering how complex a process it is to create those Doom levels and even more insane to create Descent 3D levels, surely a nearly level (in comparison) track editor can't be impossible..... Mike

I have to second the request for Riverside, CA track. I used to live 2 hours from there and watched a number of Winston West 500 Races. Besides NASCAR Racing needs another Road Course. Bryan Barns BajaBarns on Hawaii #18 K.S. Garage Pontiac TLC Racing Team Medford, OR

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>>So, since Papyrus MP is NASCAR's newest division, why don't we stop >>worrying about Daytona and Indianapolis (which are probably going to >>be held up in legal snafus forever) and instead petition Papyrus to >>build two NEW ovals? Unique ovals, not just a ported C***te or > how >about another unique track, in the way that Pocono is unique. Maybe a >combination oval/road course? I'd also like to see another short

track, >like Nashville or Portland added to the season. >Dave "davids" Sparks >Sequoia Motorsports WOW what a GREAT idea. ED MARTIN, RICK GENTER, ET AL listen to this one!

shooting through ***space: And, actually, if everyone's so hot for Indy, we can just recreate the old Ontario Motor Speedway where NASCAR used to run in the 60s and early 70s.. it was a nearly exact copy of Indy, just with a different name and owner. Who's to know if once someone has Ontario on disk that they might change the name on their HD to Indy? :-) -- IWCCCARS Project Coordinator Racer's Choice Web Directory Editor Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS

>------- >Or how about an editor that lets us design our own tracks? Considering >how complex a process it is to create those Doom levels and even more >insane to create Descent 3D levels, surely a nearly level (in >comparison) track editor can't be impossible..... A great idea, that's what we really need. Joe

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> >So, since Papyrus MP is NASCAR's newest division, why don't we stop > >worrying about Daytona and Indianapolis (which are probably going to > >be held up in legal snafus forever) and instead petition Papyrus to > >build two NEW ovals? Unique ovals, not just a ported C***te or > >Talladega. Heck, it worked in Las Vegas and Texas for Winston Cup! > I really LIKE this idea! But rather than just a bunch of new ovals, how > about another unique track, in the way that Pocono is unique. Maybe a > combination oval/road course? I'd also like to see another short track, > like Nashville or Portland added to the season.

Good ideas! I think we could use a 2.5 mile pure oval with high banks and room for four wide flat out all the way around. Sort of like a huge Bristol or a Michigan with more banking and longer straights. This would be an easy track to drive but would be great to learn drafting. The races there would be great. Dan