Whinging r.a.s readers!

Just another thought of mine follows. Has anyone else noticed that this group is full of whinging knockers. First they whinge about the delay of a product, then they whinge about the bugs in it. We were all awaiting HAWAII, now it is out, they can't stop complaining about the bugs, flaws, other drivers. We are complaining about the delay of GP2. You watch, after a month on sale, everyone will be ***ing about something in it. Everyone was demanding ICR2. Now that it is out everyone is ***ing about the bugs and lack of patches. STOP presuring the game companies to release products when you want them, let them deliver them when they are ready, and you will get what you want. I applaud whoever is delaying the release of GP2. Instead of caving into pressure from this group and the public, they hard standing fast and refusing to be bullied. Good on them! Grant.

Agree 100%. Sure I WAAAAAANNNNNNNTTTTT these products, but I'd rather have it not only bug free, but developed to its full potential. I'll happily wait - well, maybe not happily, but I'll wait :) Cheers! John _________________________________ __ _____| |_____ __ _________| |__| :| John Wallace | |__| |_________ \ :| |::| :| Team WW Racing TSW | |::| | / > :| |::| :|_________________________________| |::| | < / :|__|::|____:/ Sim Racing News \.____|::|__| \ /_______:/ \::/ http://www.dcn.ed.ac.uk/pulse/index.htm \::/ \._______\

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>Just another thought of mine follows. >Has anyone else noticed that this group is full of whinging knockers. >First they whinge about the delay of a product, then they whinge about >the bugs in it. We were all awaiting HAWAII, now it is out, they can't >stop complaining about the bugs, flaws, other drivers. We are >complaining about the delay of GP2. You watch, after a month on sale, >everyone will be ***ing about something in it. Everyone was demanding >ICR2. Now that it is out everyone is ***ing about the bugs and lack of >patches. >STOP presuring the game companies to release products when you want them, >let them deliver them when they are ready, and you will get what you >want. I applaud whoever is delaying the release of GP2. Instead of >caving into pressure from this group and the public, they hard standing >fast and refusing to be bullied. Good on them! >Grant.

Do you also applaud them for constantly stating release dates and then failing to meet them? Mike

That seems to be the funny thing about people on USENET, they *** when the games aren't released on time, but they also *** if they are released in a hurry with bugs, hmm I think they just like to ***. Personally I would rather wait for a game to have most of the bugs fixed before being released, oh and for some REAL fun check out the long flame threads on alt.games.mechwarrior2 about the netmech delays. I think mostly people who have done some programming generally understand how release dates can slip, some of the 14 year olds who are used to having Santa-Claus show up with their presents on time are not accustomed to waiting, and if they have access to USENET... Cheers. -John -- ------------------- John (Joao) Silva http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva Seattle, Washington USA.

>>Just another thought of mine follows. >>Has anyone else noticed that this group is full of whinging knockers. >>First they whinge about the delay of a product, then they whinge about >>the bugs in it. ... >>Everyone was demanding >>ICR2. Now that it is out everyone is ***ing about the bugs and lack of >>patches. Uh... wait, aren't you "whinging?" ;) I am not complaining about the bugs, I am complaining that is has been *half a year* and Papyrus hasn't given us one fix. Sure, they were in a hurry to get it under the christmas tree, and I'm glad I had it back in november, I've had some fun... but come on, the company has a responsibility to the buyers to make their product do what it was meant to do in some reasonable amount of time. 6 months is a long time in the lifespan of an average piece of software. You are suggesting our complaining "forced" Papyrus to get ICR2 out before Christmas? And BTW, if we have such "force", we certainly haven't done too well in "forcing" them to fix the bugs we've found for them. What the hell!?! Not that I particularly care about GP2, but I will say that I don't "applaud" a company that misses all of it's stated deadlines by *many* months. That is sloppy marketing. If a pizza guy brought you your pizza several hours late, would you applaud him? The least MP could do is explain what they're doing... instead, the just keep sending out new deadlines, getting people everywhere to reserve copies, then break them. That may be an effective strategy, but it isn't a very nice one.

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>>STOP presuring the game companies to release products when you want them, >>let them deliver them when they are ready, and you will get what you >>want. I applaud whoever is delaying the release of GP2. Instead of >>caving into pressure from this group and the public, they hard standing >>fast and refusing to be bullied. Good on them! >Agree 100%. Sure I WAAAAAANNNNNNNTTTTT these products, but I'd rather >have it not only bug free, but developed to its full potential. I'll >happily wait - well, maybe not happily, but I'll wait :) >Cheers! >John

I agree with you... I would much rather have a better featured, bug free product, but I will never agree with a company marketing a product as "available" for sale long before it is ready for release! This is simply not responsible trade practice! I'll wait patiently, but I would simply appreciate it if software publishers like SH/MPS would wait until the product they are advertising as available for sale is in fact that. They have been advertising GP2 as available for sale in PC Gamer since the January Issue (the first time I noticed it). The end of May is now approaching and I still don't have my order. THIS REALLY PISSES ME OFF AND IF THAT MAKES ME A WHINER... I think you can fill in the rest! Come on SH/MPS... you are not MICROSOFT! =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= '-o-' Flat out 'till you see GOD... + TNT Racing + []=(_)=[] Then BRAKE!!! =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

>Do you also applaud them for constantly stating release dates and then >failing to meet them? I would not go as far as saying 'constantly'! Many of those supposed release dates are pure makey-up by dealers, consumers, and support staff dealing with no official announcments, and the latest little squeak to ask when GP2's coming out. It's taking so long though, that they might as well just release it for Xmas. Those few extra months just seem so insignificant after our long wait thus far. Stuart -- Stuart Booth Somewhere in Godalming, England, UK

snip Having rushed out to buy GP Manager when it was released, I can now say that I agree with Grant. I would much rather wait for the product to be right, than be put off by an rushed and incomplete program. Adrian **************************************************************** WARNING** Views expressed here may be complete twaddle **WARNING ****************************************************************