How to get Indianapolis for Indy 2?

A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can get the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that track pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no trouble....thanks!! --Evan

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> A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for > Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can get > the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that track > pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no > trouble....thanks!! > --Evan

Keep your eyes peeled on this newsgroup. This question is asked almost daily. You should have no problem looking for your answer here. Gary

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> A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for > Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can get > the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that track > pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no > trouble....thanks!! > > --Evan

Bad news is ther is no way to buy the track pack for IMS from pappy. They have lost their license to produce the track. This means that we must pirate the s/w or look into used salvage shops. I will pay for the

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> > A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for > > Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can get > > the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that track > > pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no > > trouble....thanks!! > > --Evan >> Keep your eyes peeled on this newsgroup. This question is asked almost >> daily. You should have no problem looking for your answer here. >> Gary >Bad news is ther is no way to buy the track pack for IMS from pappy. >They have lost their license to produce the track. This means that we >must pirate the s/w or look into used salvage shops. I will pay for the

I would imagine that those lucky enough to have held on to their copy of the Indy track pack are thanking there lucky stars that they're not one of the unfortunate individuals like you and me that don't have it. Good luck on finding someone to sell there copy. The pirating thing would be great and would make those that are left out very happy, but also very broke (fined) and confined (i.e. prison). Such is life in the world of software copyrights.

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>>Bad news is ther is no way to buy the track pack for IMS from pappy. >>They have lost their license to produce the track. This means that we >>must pirate the s/w or look into used salvage shops. I will pay for the >I would imagine that those lucky enough to have held on to their copy of >the Indy track pack are thanking there lucky stars that they're not one >of the unfortunate individuals like you and me that don't have it.

I guess I got lucky..... I ordered it about a week and a half ago from Papy's 1-800 number, and I got in in the mail 3 days later!! Now they don't sell it anymore? What a shame, thanks to Gerhard's converter, Papy could make a small bundle just re-issuing the track pack for Indianapolis. By the way... THANKS GERHARD!!! The track looks GREAT!! I love it! Craig Marcho

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>Subject: Re: How to get Indianapolis for Indy 2? >Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:41:31 -0500 > > A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for > > Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can get > > the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that track > > pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no > > trouble....thanks!! > > --Evan >> Keep your eyes peeled on this newsgroup. This question is asked almost >> daily. You should have no problem looking for your answer here. >> Gary >Bad news is ther is no way to buy the track pack for IMS from pappy. >They have lost their license to produce the track. This means that we >must pirate the s/w or look into used salvage shops. I will pay for the

What?!? I've seen messages from Ed or Rick that said you can still order from Papy... ________ Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

>What?!? I've seen messages from Ed or Rick that said you can still order from >Papy... I will confirm. I just called the papy phone number and they told me that they no longer carry it. Too bad. Just in time to hurt those of us that want to learn about the Brickyard 400. -- Best Wishes!!! Robert Huggins Raleigh, NC

I think you would find that the pirate thing applies only to a product that the company is still selling. If they would offer it for sale I would buy it if not I'll get is some other way.. jep

See I told you.. Now if we can get some one to upload this some where we would be in great shape.

>I think you would find that the pirate thing applies only to a product >that the company is still selling. Not true. Just because a book is out of print doesn't mean that its copyright no longer applies. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

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>Subject: Re: How to get Indianapolis for Indy 2? >Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:47:05 GMT >>What?!? I've seen messages from Ed or Rick that said you can still order from >>Papy... >I will confirm. I just called the papy phone number and they told me >that they no longer carry it. Too bad. Just in time to hurt those of >us that want to learn about the Brickyard 400. >-- >Best Wishes!!! >Robert Huggins >Raleigh, NC

Does this mean that it's 'open season' for people who don't have it yet? ________ Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

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> > A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for > > Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can get > > the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that track > > pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no > > trouble....thanks!! > > --Evan > > Keep your eyes peeled on this newsgroup. This question is asked almost > > daily. You should have no problem looking for your answer here. > > Gary > Bad news is ther is no way to buy the track pack for IMS from pappy. > They have lost their license to produce the track. This means that we > must pirate the s/w or look into used salvage shops. I will pay for the

Call Papyrus, Thay still have the IMS track pack in stock. I hope this helps John

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> > > > A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for > > Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can et > > the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that

track > > pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no > > trouble....thanks!! > > > > --Evan > > > > Keep your eyes peeled on this newsgroup. This question is asked almost > > daily. You should have no problem looking for your answer here. > > > > Gary > Bad news is ther is no way to buy the track pack for IMS from pappy. > They have lost their license to produce the track. This means that we > must pirate the s/w or look into used salvage shops. I will pay for the > track from anyone who wants to sell theirs.. > > Call Papyrus, Thay still have the IMS track pack in stock. >I hope this helps > John I called again this morning and was told that they ran out of IMS last week. There will be no more from PAPPY. Peroid. This means the only way to get this track is for someone to share a copy with the rest of us. Maybe there is a track called MID USA (hint hint out there to copy)

>I think you would find that the pirate thing applies only to a product >that the company is still selling. If they would offer it for sale I >would buy it if not I'll get is some other way.. jep Copyright law doesn't work that way. The copyright is valid regardless of whether the product is for sale or not. You have to remember that copyright law didn't start with software, it started with books, music, art, etc. If I write a song, that gives me the right to determine who performs it and what, if anything, they pay me in return for it. The same basic principle applies to software. Last I checked, copyright infringement was punishable by up to a $10,000 fine and 6 months in jail for EACH infringment, ie. each copy you make. When you buy software, you're not really buying the copyrighted work, you're buying a license which allows you to "perform" the work on your computer. If you want a legitimate copy of software that's out of print, you have to get someone else to give up the right to use their copy, assuming that the license allows that kind of transfer. Disclaimer: I am not an attorney, but I do run an R&D company that licenses technology on a regular basis and consult with an intellectual property attorney frequently. If you have any doubts about it, you can probably contact either the BSA or SPA via their 800 numbers and get the straight scoop. Dave "davids" Sparks Sequoia Motorsports

If this is the case couldn't we ask Papy for permission to upload it somewhere or ask them to. It would only increase the value of their currently existing games. They won't be losing any thing because they can no longer sell it. I know that if there was some way to race in the Indy 500 for Indycar 2 then I would buy it, but since I can't then why get it. I'm sure that others feel the same way, and that Indycar2 and Nascar sales will most likely go up if we were allowed to download the Indy track. SLURF

writes: I don't believe our license with IMS would allow this. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

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>Subject: Re: Papy please read this (Re:How to get Indianapolis for Indycar 2) >Date: 23 May 1996 11:16:36 -0400 >writes: >>If this is the case couldn't we ask Papy for permission to upload it >>somewhere or ask them to. >I don't believe our license with IMS would allow this. >Rick Genter >Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II >Sierra On-Line, Inc.

So your license EXPIRED?!? It that why you can't sell IMS anymore? ________ Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

>So your license EXPIRED?!? It that why you can't sell IMS anymore? I didn't say it expired. I said that I don't believe that it gives us permission to give away the track. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

>I don't believe our license with IMS would allow this. >Rick Genter >Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II >Sierra On-Line, Inc. okay, then I am confused on this issue. Is it still possible to phone the 1-800 number and order the IMS addon program? I would be interested in ordering this addon as well as any and all other addons for nascar and indy car (I own indycar II and nascar incase you wanted to know). Edward Letendre

I don't know. My understanding from reading r.a.s is that it can no longer be ordered. No one has told me anything, and I'm not even sure who to ask at this point... Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

I too spoke to Papy this morning. What they *were* offering was extra stock they had left over from their last run of the product. It hasn't actually been manufactured for some time now and they are definitely out of stock. I asked them about their position regarding copying of the program now that they no longer offer it for sale (BTW they *still* hold the license for it - see an earlier message in this thread saying they had lost their license). Papy said this was illegal even though they are not selling it. The provisions of the original copyright still apply. However, it has not been discussed by the management group at Papy. I am guessing that prosecuting someone for copying the program may not be high on their priority list. There was one other interesting comment. Papy said that using the conversion utility to run IMS with Indycar II *is* a copyright violation. This is interesting in light of all those lucky owners of IMS that are saying no to sharing the proggy with the rest of us due to copyright. They will happily violate copyright by converting the track but shy away from sharing it with others to avoid copyright violation. Strange indeed... BTW, I am one of the unfortunates looking for a copy of IMS. I will gladly pay for it if someone wants to sell it or if they want to make a copy of it... :-) L8r, KaBoNG!

I too am looking for a copy of Indy (not necessarily a illegal copy just a copy.) If I can't buy it then I need help getting it some other way. E-mail Thanx, SLURF

Copyright violation? No way. Once you buy software you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't give or sell copies of it to anyone else, or include it in your own programs. You can reverse engineer it, modify it, use it however you want. I think the conversion falls under the same category as program 'cracks'; it doesn't distribute any of the original program's code, it modifies what you already bought. Nothing illegal about that.

as recovered through Deja-News. Guess they had a change of attitude ? pwb

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> > > A while back, I unknowingly sold my Indy trackpack for > > > Indycar, so could someone give me some pointers as to how I can et > > > the Indianapolis Speedway for Indycar2? I've looked for that > track > > > pack in stores, to no avail. Any ideas? Please e-mail if it's no > > > trouble....thanks!! > > > --Evan > > > Keep your eyes peeled on this newsgroup. This question is asked > almost > > > daily. You should have no problem looking for your answer here. > > > Gary > > Bad news is ther is no way to buy the track pack for IMS from pappy. > > They have lost their license to produce the track. This means that > we > > must pirate the s/w or look into used salvage shops. I will pay for > the > > track from anyone who wants to sell theirs.. > > Call Papyrus, Thay still have the IMS track pack in stock. > >I hope this helps > > John > I called again this morning and was told that they ran out of IMS last > week. There will be no more from PAPPY. Peroid. > This means the only way to get this track is for someone to share a copy > with the rest of us. Maybe there is a track called MID USA (hint hint > out there to copy)

FOUND IT!! Call the Indianapolis Motor Speedway gift shop at (317)484-6760 Gary

writes: Actually, this isn't true. Many software licensing agreements explicitly forbid reverse engineering, modification, etc. Be sure to read the agreements in the future. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

<snip> <snip> I don't think so. I think modifications to software are allowed for personal use, but distribution of modified commercial software is illegal in most cases. Pasi.

>There was one other interesting comment. Papy said that using the >conversion utility to run IMS with Indycar II *is* a copyright violation. >This is interesting in light of all those lucky owners of IMS that are >saying no to sharing the proggy with the rest of us due to copyright. >They will happily violate copyright by converting the track but shy away >from sharing it with others to avoid copyright violation. Strange indeed... Probably the same deal as You can't reverse-engineer the program... THIS is what's sad. People are willing to BUY instead of copying it, and they CAN'T :( ________ Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

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>Subject: Re: How to get Indianapolis for Indy 2? >Date: 25 May 1996 07:35:19 GMT >>There was one other interesting comment. Papy said that using the >>conversion utility to run IMS with Indycar II *is* a copyright violation. >>This is interesting in light of all those lucky owners of IMS that are >>saying no to sharing the proggy with the rest of us due to copyright. >>They will happily violate copyright by converting the track but shy away >>from sharing it with others to avoid copyright violation. Strange indeed... >Copyright violation? No way. Once you buy software you can do whatever you want >with it as long as you don't give or sell copies of it to anyone else, or >include it in your own programs. You can reverse engineer it, modify it, use it >however you want. I think the conversion falls under the same category as >program 'cracks'; it doesn't distribute any of the original program's code, it >modifies what you already bought. Nothing illegal about that.

I've seen copyright agreements that say you CAN'T reverse-engineer or modify the program. So if you cheat or crack the program, it's 'illegal'. ________ Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?