I've now managed to become reasonably smooth and fast in France, though I'm
still having an occasional "off" in the wet!
Here's a few tips.
1. Don't slide around on the fast sections. On the faster sweeping sections,
treat the car like in GTR rather GPL- keep it within its limits and
concentrate on your lines for a good time. It appears that the virtual tyre
compound chosen is for maximum grip but with very little "give" at the
limit. This makes for the sudden twitchiness (I'm sure improvements to the
setup can help as well).
2. If you get more than about 15 degrees sideways at medium-high speed, use
full POSITIVE lock, not opposite lock, to catch the car. In other words, if
your car is oversteering to the left, get off all the pedals and apply full
LEFT lock, not right opposite lock if you want to catch the car. The GPLers
will know about this technique. For those interested in this somewhat
counter-intuitive approach, applying full positive lock washes out the front
end more than the back and your oversteer becomes instant understeer,
meaning that you won't spin.
3. Keep the throttle on in the hairpins, and turn in early, hard and fast.
The handbrake will pull around the back end sharply, but you'll just spin if
you don't use the throttle to compensate and drag the front out and around
the hairpin. You'll need to master the throttle control here.
4. Use left foot braking for medium corner (90 - 120 degrees). Use just a
touch of turn in, brake just hard enough to lock the rear tyres, and you'll
slide gently into the corner. Balance the car on the throttle through and
out of the corners.
5. If you get unwanted throttle off over steer, use just a touch (5 degrees)
of opposite lock to "hold" car until it comes back by itself. If you try to
put on enough opposite lock to instantly straighten up the car, you'll
over-correct and do a pendulum spin the other way.
Cheers,
TIm
R u talking about RBR? There seems to be no mention of the sim you are
referring to. Don't forget this NG is for all auto sims, just not the
current one of favor.
"Tim Epstein (eppy)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I've now managed to become reasonably smooth and fast in France, thoughI'm
> still having an occasional "off" in the wet!
>
> Here's a few tips.
>
> 1. Don't slide around on the fast sections. On the faster sweepingsections,
> treat the car like in GTR rather GPL- keep it within its limits and
> concentrate on your lines for a good time. It appears that the virtualtyre
> compound chosen is for maximum grip but with very little "give" at the
> limit. This makes for the sudden twitchiness (I'm sure improvements to the
> setup can help as well).
>
> 2. If you get more than about 15 degrees sideways at medium-high speed,use
> full POSITIVE lock, not opposite lock, to catch the car. In other words,if
> your car is oversteering to the left, get off all the pedals and applyfull
> LEFT lock, not right opposite lock if you want to catch the car. TheGPLers
> will know about this technique. For those interested in this somewhat
> counter-intuitive approach, applying full positive lock washes out thefront
> end more than the back and your oversteer becomes instant understeer,
> meaning that you won't spin.
>
> 3. Keep the throttle on in the hairpins, and turn in early, hard and fast.
> The handbrake will pull around the back end sharply, but you'll just spinif
> you don't use the throttle to compensate and drag the front out and around
> the hairpin. You'll need to master the throttle control here.
>
> 4. Use left foot braking for medium corner (90 - 120 degrees). Use just a
> touch of turn in, brake just hard enough to lock the rear tyres, andyou'll
> slide gently into the corner. Balance the car on the throttle through and
> out of the corners.
>
> 5. If you get unwanted throttle off over steer, use just a touch (5degrees)
> of opposite lock to "hold" car until it comes back by itself. If you tryto
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> put on enough opposite lock to instantly straighten up the car, you'll > over-correct and do a pendulum spin the other way. > > Cheers, > TIm > >sorry. I noticed that mistake after I posted.
It is for RBR
"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>R u talking about RBR? There seems to be no mention of the sim you are > referring to. Don't forget this NG is for all auto sims, just not the > current one of favor. > > > "Tim Epstein (eppy)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2RZ2d.1511$[email hidden]... >> I've now managed to become reasonably smooth and fast in France, though > I'm >> still having an occasional "off" in the wet! >> >> Here's a few tips. >> >> 1. Don't slide around on the fast sections. On the faster sweeping > sections, >> treat the car like in GTR rather GPL- keep it within its limits and >> concentrate on your lines for a good time. It appears that the virtual > tyre >> compound chosen is for maximum grip but with very little "give" at the >> limit. This makes for the sudden twitchiness (I'm sure improvements to >> the >> setup can help as well). >> >> 2. If you get more than about 15 degrees sideways at medium-high speed, > use >> full POSITIVE lock, not opposite lock, to catch the car. In other words, > if >> your car is oversteering to the left, get off all the pedals and apply > full >> LEFT lock, not right opposite lock if you want to catch the car. The > GPLers >> will know about this technique. For those interested in this somewhat >> counter-intuitive approach, applying full positive lock washes out the > front >> end more than the back and your oversteer becomes instant understeer, >> meaning that you won't spin. >> >> 3. Keep the throttle on in the hairpins, and turn in early, hard and >> fast. >> The handbrake will pull around the back end sharply, but you'll just spin > if >> you don't use the throttle to compensate and drag the front out and >> around >> the hairpin. You'll need to master the throttle control here. >> >> 4. Use left foot braking for medium corner (90 - 120 degrees). Use just a >> touch of turn in, brake just hard enough to lock the rear tyres, and > you'll >> slide gently into the corner. Balance the car on the throttle through and >> out of the corners. >> >> 5. If you get unwanted throttle off over steer, use just a touch (5 > degrees) >> of opposite lock to "hold" car until it comes back by itself. If you try > to >> put on enough opposite lock to instantly straighten up the car, you'll >> over-correct and do a pendulum spin the other way. >> >> Cheers, >> TIm >> >> > >On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:00:46 GMT, Tim Epstein (eppy) wrote:
Thanks for the tips Tim, I guess I can make good use of them when I
hit France (next on my "rookie season" calendar ;-)
Is the above technique workable in real cars, too? I took a driving
safety course once a couple of years back at the Nordschleife
sponsored by Sun microsystems, and apparently the instructors (notable
Nordschleife Porsche ace Frank "Stippi" Stippler among them) had never
heard of the technique, or maybe I just described it wrongly or in
strange terms, who knows. One of them had heard of GPL, though ;-)
Cheers,
uwe
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