Major hawaii.exe bugs

I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing

>I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the >car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows >for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing Hmm, try using it in dos as you should. I've never had one problem with the system itself. Had a few minor problems with some features, and have let their tech people know. Run it from DOS as it should, and not WINDOWS. This should fix your problem if you wish to continue with Hawaii. Chris

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>>I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the >>car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows >>for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar > racing >Hmm, try using it in dos as you should. I've never had one problem >with the system itself. Had a few minor problems with some features, >and have let their tech people know. >Run it from DOS as it should, and not WINDOWS. This should fix your >problem if you wish to continue with Hawaii.

I run it from within Windows95 and it works just fine. /=================================================\ | John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | | http://www2.connectnet.com/users/jms/index.html | \=================================================/

: I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the : car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows : for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing Nascar is not a windows game. If you look at the files you got with your Hawaii software, you will find this very nice user guide.You may want to read it, before posting anymore "bugs". Mike

> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the > car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows > for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing Yes, I am yelling... WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win 95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support multiplayer under Win 95. This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. -- Ed Martin Papyrus Design Group

? ?I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the ?car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows ?for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing It appears that you would be the "major bug." =) Here's a sample from the first page of Hawaii's readme.txt....you might want to start troubleshooting there: **** Windows 95 **** We do not support Windows 95 at this time. If you are a Windows 95 user, you should run multiplayer and/or NASCAR Racing in MS-DOS exclusive mode. --Evan

> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the > car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows > for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing Hawaii isn't perfect, but until you read the Guide, save your posts: "We do not support Windows 95 at this time. If you are a Windows 95 user, you should run multiplayer and/or NASCAR Racing in MS-DOS exclusive mode." Sean

It is in 'beta' remember that ... report any such incidents to Papyrus as explained in the hawaii.doc you got as part of the hawaii.exe. Papy has a ton of new 'programming challanges' to work out here now that there are so many people up online.

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>> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the >> car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows >> for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar > racing >Yes, I am yelling... >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. >Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR >Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win >95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support >multiplayer under Win 95. >This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide.

If you want the game to work under Win95, you must: 1) Have at least 16mb of memory (32 would be better) 2) write a batch file that contains the following lines: J: (or whatever drive letter it's installed on) CD\NASCAR NASCAR -H 3) Make sure the batch file exists somewhere on your path. 4) When you want to run the game, open a DOS window with screen saving turned off, and simply type the name of the batch file. Following these steps, I've never had a problem getting NASCAR Racing to run under Win95, but like Ed stated, your mileage may vary. BTW, Ed, I think the hawaii should give you a chance to calibrate your controls each time it runs the sim. It doesn't always allow that and I haven't found a way to do it when I want to. /=================================================\ | John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | | http://www2.connectnet.com/users/jms/index.html | \=================================================/

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> >> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the > >> car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows > >> for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar > > racing > >Yes, I am yelling... > >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. > >Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR > >Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win > >95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support > >multiplayer under Win 95. > >This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. > If you want the game to work under Win95, you must: > 1) Have at least 16mb of memory (32 would be better) > 2) write a batch file that contains the following lines: > J: (or whatever drive letter it's installed on) > CD\NASCAR > NASCAR -H > 3) Make sure the batch file exists somewhere on your path. > 4) When you want to run the game, open a DOS window with screen saving turned > off, and simply type the name of the batch file. > Following these steps, I've never had a problem getting NASCAR Racing to run > under Win95, but like Ed stated, your mileage may vary. > BTW, Ed, I think the hawaii should give you a chance to calibrate your > controls each time it runs the sim. It doesn't always allow that and I > haven't found a way to do it when I want to. > /=================================================\ > | John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | > | http://www2.connectnet.com/users/jms/index.html | > \=================================================/

OK, one last time... WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. John, If you happen to get it working, congratulations. However, we know that it does not work on everyone's system and we do not want people to use it. It's tough enough to track down bugs during a beta involving thousands of people without having people use an operatiing system that we do not support. I know you're just trying to help, but you are not helping us. NO WINDOWS 95! -- Ed Martin Papyrus Design Group

?>> ?>> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the ?>> car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows ?>> for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar ?> racing ?> ?>Yes, I am yelling... ?> ?>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. ?> ?>Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR ?>Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win ?>95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support ?>multiplayer under Win 95. ?> ?>This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. ? ?If you want the game to work under Win95, you must: ? ?1) Have at least 16mb of memory (32 would be better) ? ?2) write a batch file that contains the following lines: ? ? J: (or whatever drive letter it's installed on) ? CD\NASCAR ? NASCAR -H ? ?3) Make sure the batch file exists somewhere on your path. ? ?4) When you want to run the game, open a DOS window with screen saving turned ?off, and simply type the name of the batch file. ? ?Following these steps, I've never had a problem getting NASCAR Racing to run ?under Win95, but like Ed stated, your mileage may vary. Sorry if I'm way off base here, but why didn't you just add the -h parameter into the command line in the properties box. That is, simply make a shortcut, etc....? ?BTW, Ed, I think the hawaii should give you a chance to calibrate your ?controls each time it runs the sim. It doesn't always allow that and I ?haven't found a way to do it when I want to. ? ?/=================================================\ ?| John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | ?| http://www2.connectnet.com/users/jms/index.html | ?\=================================================/ --Evan

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>> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the >> car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows >> for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing >Yes, I am yelling... >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. >Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR >Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win >95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support >multiplayer under Win 95. >This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. >-- >Ed Martin >Papyrus Design Group

Holy Shit! Nice customer relations you're developing there! Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I mean, what good are consumers anyway? Idiot!

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> >> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the > >> car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows > >> for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing > >Yes, I am yelling... > >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. > >Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR > >Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win > >95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support > >multiplayer under Win 95. > >This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. > >-- > >Ed Martin > >Papyrus Design Group > Holy Shit! > Nice customer relations you're developing there! > Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I > mean, what good are consumers anyway? > Idiot!

B.Knox If you bother to read through this newsgroup, you might notice how much I/we do support our customers out here. However, in this case, I am trying to stop people from trying something that we have thoroughly tested & do not support -- Windows 95 w/ multiplayer NASCAR. And, I am purposely trying to state it as strongly as possible. Multiplayer has been under development for over a year & a half. During that time, we tested it as thoroughly as possible. We put it into open beta with warnings plastered all over it -- we do not support Windows 95. Yet people are asking how to do it. The purpose of the open beta is to work any remaining bugs out of the system, and get as much user feedback as possible. That is why I monitor this newsgroup 3-4 times/day. However, when I see something going "wrong", I certainly think it is my perogative to try to set it straight. I'm sorry if you don't agree with my tone in this particular thread. Perhaps you should read a few other postings of mine before you say anything more. -- Ed Martin Papyrus Design Group

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> >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. > >Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR > >Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win > >95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support > >multiplayer under Win 95. > >This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. > >-- > >Ed Martin > Holy Shit! > Nice customer relations you're developing there! > Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I > mean, what good are consumers anyway? > Idiot!

Mr. Martin is just being honest. User's Guide is just that - a guide for the user. Those who ask a zillion questions without first checking the guide they are bound to be found on the high end of the universial moronic scale. Don't be so uptight, rock some instead! -- --- Terje Wold Johansen --- http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjjo/ --- "I am your inferior superior." O.W.

>BTW, Ed, I think the hawaii should give you a chance to calibrate your >controls each time it runs the sim. It doesn't always allow that and I >haven't found a way to do it when I want to. John, there is a way. Before (or while) the sim is loading, hold down the gas for example. This brings it out of the calibrated center and the computer thinks it needs to be recalibrated. Happened to me once when I was playin' with my pedals before the game was loaded. Dave.

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>>Yes, I am yelling... >>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. >>Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR >>Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win >>95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support >>multiplayer under Win 95. >>This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. >>-- >>Ed Martin >>Papyrus Design Group > Holy Shit! > Nice customer relations you're developing there! >Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I >mean, what good are consumers anyway? > Idiot!

Well what do you expect him to do, rewrite WIN95 so people can use them together?!? Like he said, it wasn't DESIGNED to run in Win95. If it does on YOUR system, you're just lucky... I thought he stated it very well...and fairly politely. Hey, Micro$oft would've been a LOT meaner. Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

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>>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. >>Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR >>Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win >>95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support >>multiplayer under Win 95. >>This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. >>-- >>Ed Martin >>Papyrus Design Group > Holy Shit! > Nice customer relations you're developing there! >Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I >mean, what good are consumers anyway? > Idiot!

Dear Idiot, if it says that Papyrus doesn't support Winbloze 85 and people still ask stupid question about, I think Ed has the right to got nuts. Dave.

Ed, How about allowing users to assign a permanent car in her files? First come, First Serve on the availability of cars? Jeff

> Ed, > How about allowing users to assign a permanent car in her files? First > come, First Serve on the availability of cars? > Jeff We're looking at a lot of ways to allow users to get preferred cars. It's going to be a little while though. The issues are both technical & legal. We're dealing with a lot of licensed properties, and even though the multicar car set is artificial, people are going to want to exchange cars... some of them real. We're working on it! -- Ed Martin Papyrus Design Group

?>>Yes, I am yelling... ? ?>>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. ? ?>>Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR ?>>Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win ?>>95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support ?>>multiplayer under Win 95. ? ?>>This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. ?>>-- ?>>Ed Martin ?>>Papyrus Design Group ? ?> Holy Shit! ? ?> Nice customer relations you're developing there! ?>Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I ?>mean, what good are consumers anyway? ? ?> Idiot! Let me get this straight. Some moron is too lazy to read the readme.txt, but decides to come in here ranting about "major" bugs instead. Ed Martin, understandably exasperated, politely but firmly corrects the error, and he's the bad guy? No wonder there aren't more company reps on-line. Sheesh......Ed was a lot more composed than I would have been. =) --Evan

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>> >> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still, however the >> >> car was still moving. Once earlier tonight, it brought me back to windows >> >> for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing >> >Yes, I am yelling... >> >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. PERIOD. >> >Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR >> >Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win >> >95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support >> >multiplayer under Win 95. >> >This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide. >> >-- >> >Ed Martin >> >Papyrus Design Group >> Holy Shit! >> Nice customer relations you're developing there! >> Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I >> mean, what good are consumers anyway? >> Idiot! >B.Knox >If you bother to read through this newsgroup, you might notice how much >I/we do support our customers out here. However, in this case, I am >trying to stop people from trying something that we have thoroughly >tested & do not support -- Windows 95 w/ multiplayer NASCAR. And, I am >purposely trying to state it as strongly as possible. >Multiplayer has been under development for over a year & a half. During >that time, we tested it as thoroughly as possible. We put it into open >beta with warnings plastered all over it -- we do not support Windows >95. Yet people are asking how to do it. >The purpose of the open beta is to work any remaining bugs out of the >system, and get as much user feedback as possible. That is why I >monitor this newsgroup 3-4 times/day. However, when I see something >going "wrong", I certainly think it is my perogative to try to set it >straight. I'm sorry if you don't agree with my tone in this particular >thread. Perhaps you should read a few other postings of mine before you >say anything more. >-- >Ed Martin >Papyrus Design Group

Sorry I was a little to... well, harsh in my last posting. You're right, I realize that you frequent this group and I have seen your postings. I wish more companies worked like Papyrus. I guess I must of mistaken you for someone at ID. I just think that it wasn't necessary to make the person running under Win 95 look like an idiot. I'm not a tester so I don't know what Hawaii is like, but there could be a multitude of reasons why he thought he could run under Windows 95. Maybe he didn't know how to view the "readme" , maybe he didn't know how to boot in DOS mode, etc. Regards, Brett

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> > Ed, > > How about allowing users to assign a permanent car in her files? First > > come, First Serve on the availability of cars? > > Jeff > We're looking at a lot of ways to allow users to get preferred cars. > It's going to be a little while though. The issues are both technical & > legal. We're dealing with a lot of licensed properties, and even though > the multicar car set is artificial, people are going to want to exchange > cars... some of them real. We're working on it! > -- > Ed Martin > Papyrus Design Group

The only time that it should be all that important for someone to drive a specific car is in a series race. Everyone in the series could switch to a common carset before dialing HAWAII. Then when each member of the series joins a series race, it would ask them which car they drive (1-32). The first person to specify a car number gets it. The second person has to choose a different one. Series members could agree ahead of time to swap cars if they want but this wouldn't normally be done. And Papyrus would only have to replace there random function with a subroutine to handle getting a number from the user right after getting the password. There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes. David Martin IVL Series Director dgm26sam

I totally agree!!! This should be EASY to implement and will add alot to the sim. One other thing that could be easy, is to be able to start your engine before you race, just allow the user to program a button, either on the keyboard or joystick to start the engine after a voice over sends the command, maybe nit pickin here, but I think it would be cool, quiet until the command is given, then you hear em fire up! Thanks Papyrus for bringing Nascar to the "rest" of us, keep up the great work! Regards, Todd

>There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes. Good idea, but I think you just might be underestimating a bit the amount of work involved to implement something like that. <G> Mike_L

> >There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes. > Good idea, but I think you just might be underestimating a bit the > amount of work involved to implement something like that. <G> > Mike_L No, I happen to be a software engineer. I know exactly what kind of code that Papyrus is using to implement the assignment of cars. The function that is called to produce a random number between 1 and 32 could be replaced by a subroutine that gets a number between 1 and 32 from the driver. It checks to makes sure noone else is using it. If noone is then it assigns that number to that driver. This doesn't necessarily mean that everyone is driving different cars. It is possible for everyone to drive the same car. You say how? Well, if everyone has a different car set where, say Terry Labontes car has been moved to occupy different spots in each car set, then a random selection could find Terry Labontes car several times. If each driver were asked what car they were driving and if there were more than 1 #5 Kelloggs car on the track, the answers could include more than 1 #5 for the first question, but the answer to the second question would never be 'yes'. In a series, everyone should be using the same car set. Thus no two drivers would be driving the same car. I'm not sure about the legalities of trading carsets. It is done every day of the week. Noone denies it. Heck, Tony Johns makes quite an effort at making sure the world has the latest paintjobs for more than 1 NASCAR Series. He does a great job of it and I don't think anyone has suggested that he has broken any laws. Noone is making any money off of this except Papyrus and the LD companies, but they aren't making any money from the trading and distribution of carsets. Besides, the simulator doesn't even know what the actual paintjobs look like. Only the local user does. Papyrus has mentioned that they are working on this aspect of the project for use with series racing. David

>>There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes. >Good idea, but I think you just might be underestimating a bit the >amount of work involved to implement something like that. <G> >Mike_L Five minutes? No problem. But what'd we do the other four? Chas H

... Wow. Mike, let's hire him!

The idea is of course, good... and has been requested for some time. I'm sorry, but I just have to respond to your "it could be implemented in 5 minutes". How do you know this? You are familiar with Papy's schedule, code, process, and implementation details? Sorry.. I hate to nit, but I just find this kind of comment, well.. badgering and uninformed. As if thier lack of responding to you is an admittance of incompetence. Pleeeaaasssse. Tim V

Yelling at potential customers Ed? Shame Shame.

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>OK, one last time... >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE. >John, >If you happen to get it working, congratulations. However, we know that >it does not work on everyone's system and we do not want people to use >it. It's tough enough to track down bugs during a beta involving >thousands of people without having people use an operatiing system that >we do not support. >I know you're just trying to help, but you are not helping us. >NO WINDOWS 95! >-- >Ed Martin >Papyrus Design Group

WOW Ed! I think you have confused this newsgroup with the "Official.Papyrus.NASCAR.Design.Group.Only". I can understand that you do not support this under win95, but I can't understand why you would care if someone posts a reply to a question regarding it. If someone sends you E-mail or calls you asking these questions then say what you like. If someone asks a question in a newsgroup regarding something you don't support, then feel free not to support an answer.. but don't reply like this. It makes you look more like a 3rd grader and less like a designer. I'm courious to see if your posts will continue this downhill slide. BTW, not everything said in this newsgroup is said for the benefit of Papyrus.

>If you bother to read through this newsgroup, you might notice how much >I/we do support our customers out here. However, in this case, I am >trying to stop people from trying something that we have thoroughly >tested & do not support -- Windows 95 w/ multiplayer NASCAR. And, I am >purposely trying to state it as strongly as possible. I agree that you are doing your best to support your product. I don't think that that was ever in question. 3 posts on this thread in the last day supports that. People aren't necesarily asking you how to do it. This is a public newsgroup and people can ask what they want. Anyone who reads deep enough to see that someone is having problems running under win95 will also see that it is not supported. That is fine. But if someone does get it to work and lends advise... I don't see that hurting you in the long run. Maybe a little customer service orientation is in order... especially that part about "belittling the customer". When someone else replies to a thread, they are just "joe shmoe" and are to be taken as such. When a representative of Papyrus replies, he should be acting as a representative of the company.