Hawaii, latencies and 28.8s?

Hi all. I have a 14.4 modem and typically get 0.16 latency figures whenever I join races. I was wondering what latencies you 28.8 owners typically experience? Thanks, Bill.

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> >Hi all. I have a 14.4 modem and typically get 0.16 latency figures > >whenever I join races. I was wondering what latencies you 28.8 owners > >typically experience? > I can't race at all with my 28.8k modem , latency = 0.25 seconds. :-( > But I don't think the modem's the problem. It's either the local phone > system or a bug in Hawaii.

I have a USR 33.6 Sportster (connecting at 19.2), and I haven't had a latency higher than .11 seconds yet. Usually get .10 seconds. I guess it helps that I live about a block from my local Bell South switching station (or whatever they call those buildings) and have new phones lines connecting me there. -- Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/ Hawaii Network UserName: Buschwick (4)

>Hi all. I have a 14.4 modem and typically get 0.16 latency figures >whenever I join races. I was wondering what latencies you 28.8 owners >typically experience? I can't race at all with my 28.8k modem , latency = 0.25 seconds. :-( But I don't think the modem's the problem. It's either the local phone system or a bug in Hawaii. Joe

Latency and baud rate generally have nothing to do with each other. I could see 28.8 owners having *higher* latencies, however, as the modem probably has to do more processing to do the magic it has to do to achieve the high baud rate over voice-grade phone lines. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

: : >Hi all. I have a 14.4 modem and typically get 0.16 latency figures : >whenever I join races. I was wondering what latencies you 28.8 owners : >typically experience? : : I can't race at all with my 28.8k modem , latency = 0.25 seconds. :-( One thing to try is forcing it to a 9600 connection. I get consistently low latency times (.03, .05, .10, .11, or .13) everytime at 9600. I'm using a Practical 288. At 288 it gets bad latency times. I can improve them further by turning off the data compression and error correction. Hope this helps some... or at least gives you some things to try. bill -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NASCAR - America's Favorite Motorsport. Congratulations Dale on #7!

>One thing to try is forcing it to a 9600 connection. I get consistently >low latency times (.03, .05, .10, .11, or .13) everytime at 9600. I'm >using a Practical 288. At 288 it gets bad latency times. I can improve >them further by turning off the data compression and error correction. Thanks Bill, I just tried that actually. No matter what modem init strings I use, the latency stays the same. Perhaps I'm using the wrong syntax for the init string? I've tried, for example, AT&F1&N6&K0&B1. My modem (USR Sportster 28.8)defines these extra codes as: &N6 Sets connect speed to 9600 baud &K0 Data compression disabled &B1 Fixed serial port speed Given this, is my above syntax (i.e., appending these codes to the AT&F1) correct? What's error correction? Is that the "Sets Error Control (ARQ)" option? i.e., &M0 to disable it? Joe

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>>One thing to try is forcing it to a 9600 connection. I get consistently >>low latency times (.03, .05, .10, .11, or .13) everytime at 9600. I'm >>using a Practical 288. At 288 it gets bad latency times. I can improve >>them further by turning off the data compression and error correction. >Thanks Bill, I just tried that actually. No matter what modem init >strings I use, the latency stays the same. Perhaps I'm using the wrong >syntax for the init string? >I've tried, for example, AT&F1&N6&K0&B1. My modem (USR Sportster >28.8)defines these extra codes as: >&N6 Sets connect speed to 9600 baud >&K0 Data compression disabled >&B1 Fixed serial port speed >Given this, is my above syntax (i.e., appending these codes to the >AT&F1) correct? >What's error correction? Is that the "Sets Error Control (ARQ)" >option? i.e., &M0 to disable it?

I have a USR 33.6 (28.8 upgraded) external and this is my init string: ATZ AT&K0&M0&B1&N10 ATS11=45 Last nite I got a latency of 0.13 (19.2k bps) What does &F1 do? /=================================================\ | John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | | http://www2.connectnet.com/users/jms/index.html | \=================================================/

>Hi all. I have a 14.4 modem and typically get 0.16 latency figures >whenever I join races. I was wondering what latencies you 28.8 owners >typically experience? I get 0.10 - 0.12 latency on my 28.8 (Sportster). Kevin -- **************************************************************** Hartsdale, NY http://www.cloud9.net/~khuang Cloud 9 Internet ****************************************************************

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>>Hi all. I have a 14.4 modem and typically get 0.16 latency figures >>whenever I join races. I was wondering what latencies you 28.8 owners >>typically experience? >I can't race at all with my 28.8k modem , latency = 0.25 seconds. :-( >But I don't think the modem's the problem. It's either the local phone >system or a bug in Hawaii. >Joe

How in the world do you guys find out what your latency is? I've never heard of anything that shows this...is it software? do you need some special 'phone company only' latency meter or something? I'd love to find out what I'm running on my slow-***system <G> -Bill

>I have a USR 33.6 (28.8 upgraded) external and this is my init string: > ATZ AT&K0&M0&B1&N10 ATS11=45 >Last nite I got a latency of 0.13 (19.2k bps) Hi John, I tried your setup string and for once I didn't get the slow latency error (which is a relief - I was getting *real* tired of that message). Now I get a "Remote not available (timed out)" error when I try to race (although it is still connected - it returns to the Hawaii race menu and scheduler no problem). Joe

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>>I have a USR 33.6 (28.8 upgraded) external and this is my init string: >> ATZ AT&K0&M0&B1&N10 ATS11=45 >>Last nite I got a latency of 0.13 (19.2k bps) >Hi John, >I tried your setup string and for once I didn't get the slow latency >error (which is a relief - I was getting *real* tired of that >message). Now I get a "Remote not available (timed out)" error when I >try to race (although it is still connected - it returns to the Hawaii >race menu and scheduler no problem).

Do you have the Track Pak? If not, get it. It will patch your existing NASCAR.EXE file to alleviate some modem connection bugs. If you do already have the Track Pak, I don't know how much help I can be. It may have been something as simple as a problem on Hawaii's end. /=================================================\ | John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker) | | http://www2.connectnet.com/users/jms/index.html | \=================================================/

FYI, You HAVE to have the Track Pack in order to use Hawaii. l8r Zoner

Loads defaults for hardware flow control.... ========================================================= ==Jim McGuigan Power Switching & Conversion Systems== ==Hanover, PA Baltimore / Washington Field Service== == == ** Hawaii Driver: Knuckle Duster ** *********************************************************

I usually connect with 0.10 latency at 28.8

>FYI, You HAVE to have the Track Pack in order to use Hawaii. Thanks, I do have the track pack. Maybe I'll try re-installing it. Joe

FYI, when I downloaded Hawaii, I put it in a subdirectory, when I tried to play, I could get as far as the race starting then I would get a "Remote User not Available" error and could not get into a race, I moved Hawaii to my regular Nascar directory, reran it again and it worked perfectly the first time, hope it helps Keith Nelson Pit Road

> FYI, You HAVE to have the Track Pack in order to use Hawaii. You do NOT have to have the Track Pack to use Hawaii. You only have to have it if you want to race on one of the Track Pack tracks. -- Ed Martin Papyrus Design Group

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> FYI, when I downloaded Hawaii, I put it in a subdirectory, when I tried > to play, I could get as far as the race starting then I would get a > "Remote User not Available" error and could not get into a race, I moved > Hawaii to my regular Nascar directory, reran it again and it worked > perfectly the first time, hope it helps > Keith Nelson > Pit Road

You are correct. It's in the documentation that you MUST install the HAWAII.EXE files into the directory where NASCAR is installed. -- Ed Martin Papyrus Design Group

>FYI, when I downloaded Hawaii, I put it in a subdirectory, when I tried >to play, I could get as far as the race starting then I would get a >"Remote User not Available" error and could not get into a race, I moved >Hawaii to my regular Nascar directory, reran it again and it worked >perfectly the first time, hope it helps Thanks Kieth, I made the same mistake but have since moved it to the Nascar directory. I stopped getting the "Slow latency" error, but the strange thing is now Nascar can't communicate with the remote *at all*. It gets a "Remote not responding (timed out)" error every time (I have tried many connects with different modem speeds and settings). I wish someone could tell me what this error message means. I think Papyrus really needs to beef up the Nascar connection software so that it can at least return a meaningful error message, as they don't seem to know what this message means either. The "Slow latency" errors I was getting before I could at least understand, and maybe such errors aren't even Papy's fault (could be the phone system for example). But this is much more basic, it's an "I'm just not talking" communication bug in multiplayer Nascar. Note that I have no trouble at all connecting through eterm, going to the race scheduler, etc., it is only the multiplayer Nascar that doesn't work. In case you can't tell, I'm just *dying* to play this game. I've tried at least 2-3 times (sometimes more) a night since it's opened, I've probably spent at least a hundred bucks on long distance already and haven't raced for 1 second. It is starting to drive me crazy; if I don't get connected soon I'm going to have to stop reading these Hawaii threads, it's pissing me off too much hearing about how much fun everyone else is having but for me it just won't work. Joe

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> > FYI, when I downloaded Hawaii, I put it in a subdirectory, when I tried > > to play, I could get as far as the race starting then I would get a > > "Remote User not Available" error and could not get into a race, I moved > > Hawaii to my regular Nascar directory, reran it again and it worked > > perfectly the first time, hope it helps > > Keith Nelson > > Pit Road > You are correct. It's in the documentation that you MUST install the > HAWAII.EXE files into the directory where NASCAR is installed. > -- > Ed Martin > Papyrus Design Group

Ed, if that's the case, why do you have to specify the directory name when setting up? It seems redundant....??? And another question...don't know if anybody's asked yet: Have you considered selling the Hawaii Server software to BBS's and the like? -- Meek and obedient you follow the leader down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.. Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

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