Anyone Using a P166?

I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth (15+ fps) frame rate. If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely satisfied with it's performance? Thanks, Casey Hudson

>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >satisfied with it's performance? I don't know the answer, but I saw an interesting post on this subject on Compuserve today: ================================================== Marc, >...Intel in a way has lucked out, though until now it has probably been holding its breath waiting for the other shoe to drop...< It just dropped, and it's call the Cyrix 6x86. The 133Mhz version (which Cyrix has dubbed the P166+) is kicking the hell out of the 166Mhz Pentium on all current benchmarks (see the latest issue of PC Magazine for more details). I just picked up one yesterday (the P166+ model), and it's the fastest damn thing I've ever worked with. Out of order execution, superpiplining, superscalar/speculative execution - it's more like a P6 in P5 clothing, but without the 16-bit performance hit of the Pentium Pro. Better yet, the 6x86 is completely pin-compatible with existing Pentium PGA sockets. I've got mine installed in a board designed specifically for genuine Intel CPUs (all the way up to the as yet unreleased P5/180), and yet here I am flying along at speeds faster than anything Intel can offer for this very same board. Truly Amazing! Imagine what will happen when Cyrix starts to really crank up the clock speed (note: the P166+ is only running at 133Mhz, even though it delivers better-than-P5/166 performance - hence the P166+ moniker). Intel *should* be concerned... RCK

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> I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't > want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like > ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth > (15+ fps) frame rate. > If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full > detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely > satisfied with it's performance? > Thanks, Casey Hudson

They should scream on a P166. I run ICR2 on my P133 with 14 cars drawn ahead, 4 behind, and all textures on at 20+ fps (ie I have min frame rate set to 20 and none of the textures turn off when set on auto). GP2 will probably be a bit more hungry, although I am confident it will play well in hi-res on a P133 - if it doesn't, they are screwed IMHO. Julian _____________________________________________________________________ University of Oxford

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> > I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't > > want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like > > ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth > > (15+ fps) frame rate. > > If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full > > detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely > > satisfied with it's performance? > > Thanks, Casey Hudson > They should scream on a P166. I run ICR2 on my P133 with 14 cars drawn > ahead, 4 behind, and all textures on at 20+ fps (ie I have min frame rate > set to 20 and none of the textures turn off when set on auto). > GP2 will probably be a bit more hungry, although I am confident it will > play well in hi-res on a P133 - if it doesn't, they are screwed IMHO. > Julian > _____________________________________________________________________ > University of Oxford

I too have a P133 and I turn the cars viewed ahead to maximum and there is only an occasional turn off on road texture and restarts look awesome

>>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >>detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >>satisfied with it's performance? I use a P90 with 2 Mb DRAM Diamond Stealth and have to turn off most detail in NASCAR Racing but can have all detail on for ICR2. Used a friend's P166 with 4 Mb Video Card and with NASCAR Racing could have all the details on, including asphalt. WAAAAAA. Sob Sob. I would buy one if I had the money. Cheers, Craig. ****************************************************************************** Canberra, Australia IVL Toys-R-Us #43 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hoppy1 ******************************************************************************

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>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't >want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like >ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth >(15+ fps) frame rate. >If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >satisfied with it's performance? > Thanks, Casey Hudson

I am playing Indycar Racing II on a P166 with an ATI Graphics Pro Turbo 1600 video card in SVGA, full details at 30 fps. The game is running perfectly, verry smooth... :-) Stephane, Montreal.

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>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't >want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like >ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth >(15+ fps) frame rate. >If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >satisfied with it's performance?

A bit higher end than you specify, but I have a 200MHz Pentium Pro with a #9 Imagine128, and it runs ICR2 at 27 fps with all details on, even at Australia. In SVGA. It can manage 29 fps at some tracks. NASCAR is a bit disappointing, but I don't have a UNIVBE installed for that and I'm sure that would help a lot. By 27 fps I mean that that's how far up I can set the min frame rate before various bits of graphics go away. -- Brian Wong Systems Engineering Group (Servers)

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> >...Intel in a way has lucked out, though until now it has probably >been holding its breath waiting for the other shoe to drop...< > It just dropped, and it's call the Cyrix 6x86. The 133Mhz version >(which Cyrix has dubbed the P166+) is kicking the hell out of the >166Mhz Pentium on all current benchmarks (see the latest issue of PC >Magazine for more details). > I just picked up one yesterday (the P166+ model), and it's the >fastest damn thing I've ever worked with. Out of order execution, >superpiplining, superscalar/speculative execution - it's more like a >P6 in P5 clothing, but without the 16-bit performance hit of the >Pentium Pro. > Better yet, the 6x86 is completely pin-compatible with existing >Pentium PGA sockets. I've got mine installed in a board designed >specifically for genuine Intel CPUs (all the way up to the as yet >unreleased P5/180), and yet here I am flying along at speeds faster >than anything Intel can offer for this very same board. Truly Amazing! > Imagine what will happen when Cyrix starts to really crank up the >clock speed (note: the P166+ is only running at 133Mhz, even though it >delivers better-than-P5/166 performance - hence the P166+ moniker). > Intel *should* be concerned... >RCK

Tell us more Joe. I just upgraded to a P133 and I STILL need more horsepower, even with a good gfx card. This sounds like it could be jsut the ticket! Karl

i have a p166 with 4 mb video & i have all graphics on & my frame rate high & low at 30..It is awesome

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>>>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >>>detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >>>satisfied with it's performance? >I use a P90 with 2 Mb DRAM Diamond Stealth and have to turn off most >detail in NASCAR Racing but can have all detail on for ICR2. >Used a friend's P166 with 4 Mb Video Card and with NASCAR Racing could >have all the details on, including asphalt. WAAAAAA. Sob Sob. >I would buy one if I had the money. >Cheers, >Craig. >****************************************************************************** >Canberra, Australia >IVL Toys-R-Us #43 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hoppy1 >******************************************************************************

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>>>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >>>detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >>>satisfied with it's performance? I have a P166-16mb-Matrox Millenium with Thrustmaster T1. Indycar 2 runs full detail svga at 28fps with 28 cars. Nascar 32 cars, SVGA, all detail except grass texture at 28fps. Need For Speed-perfect! Enjoy it! Jetta

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>I use a P90 with 2 Mb DRAM Diamond Stealth and have to turn off most >detail in NASCAR Racing but can have all detail on for ICR2. >Used a friend's P166 with 4 Mb Video Card and with NASCAR Racing could >have all the details on, including asphalt. WAAAAAA. Sob Sob. >I would buy one if I had the money. >Cheers, >Craig. >****************************************************************************** >Canberra, Australia >IVL Toys-R-Us #43 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hoppy1 >******************************************************************************

> It just dropped, and it's call the Cyrix 6x86. The 133Mhz version >(which Cyrix has dubbed the P166+) is kicking the hell out of the >166Mhz Pentium on all current benchmarks (see the latest issue of PC >Magazine for more details). I have this issue of PC Magazine in which you refer. I agree the Cyrix chip did real well overall, better the fastest P166 in most tests. But the P166's look like they do better on the CPUmark-16 test. My understanding of these tests is that the CPUmark-16 test is the most applicable to computer games including auto racing simulators. What do you think? Also, how expsensive is the Cyrix chip versus a P166? -- Later, Stuart J. Boyle

I don''t know about that - Intel's P166 doesn't do a thing for 16-bit code - it's no faster than a P133. The Cyrix chip apparently doesn't have the same limitation. I would imagine that most games would be 16-bit so as to be as highly optimized as possible, but I could be wrong about that. Joe

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Both NASCAR Racing and IndyCar Racing II are full 32-bit applications. Most games that use the DOS/4GW 32-bit DOS extender are full 32-bit applications as well. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Sierra On-Line, Inc.

>Both NASCAR Racing and IndyCar Racing II are full 32-bit applications. >Most games that use the DOS/4GW 32-bit DOS extender are full 32-bit >applications as well. Thanks for the correction, Rick. That's good to know, that means they should really rock on the P166 (and up). Joe

> > It just dropped, and it's call the Cyrix 6x86. The 133Mhz version > >(which Cyrix has dubbed the P166+) is kicking the hell out of the > >166Mhz Pentium on all current benchmarks (see the latest issue of PC > >Magazine for more details). Not exactly.. p44 of April 23 Pc Mag shows following: SAG STF 166 (Pentium 166) CPUMark32 - 339 Sys Perf C166+ (Cyrix 166+) CPUMark32 - 305 Average Pentium 166 CPUMark32 - 309 -- Wayne Richards email:

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>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't >want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like >ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth >(15+ fps) frame rate. >If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >satisfied with it's performance? > Thanks, Casey Hudson

My brother's Pentium 100 Runs the game fine with all the detail and all the cars on! The 166 should have no problem! running ICR2 & GP2! Get a good video card with the machine!

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>>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't >>want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like >>ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth >>(15+ fps) frame rate. >>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >>detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >>satisfied with it's performance? >> Thanks, Casey Hudson >My brother's Pentium 100 Runs the game fine with all the detail and >all the cars on! The 166 should have no problem! running ICR2 & GP2! >Get a good video card with the machine!

I have a P166, 16MB EDO, Matrox Millenium 2MB video card. I run ICR2 full detail-everything- 28 car fields- at 30FPS!!. It flies. NASCAR everything except grass-35 cars- 30fps. Get a T1/T2 and it can't be beat.! jetta

I have an intel P166 witha 4mb matrox 3d card and 24 meg of ram, and ICR2 and other games I have have run with full detail on with no problems at all. Frame rate is at 30.

>I have an intel P166 witha 4mb matrox 3d card and 24 meg of ram, and ICR2 >and other games I have have run with full detail on with no problems at >all. Frame rate is at 30. But what are the settings on the graphics? SVGA? Each graphic item set to ON or AUTO? Someone posted earlier that at MIS they got only 25-26 frames/second using a certain methodology. I don't see how a P166 colud beat their system: a P6-200 w/Matrox MGA. Personally, I ran the test on my system and found I could get 19-20 frames/second. I have a P-166, Matrox MGA Millenium (4MB), 64MB main memory. I've benchmarked my system a system benchmark web site and found that my graphics are extremely fast. I don't see how EDO memory could make an 11 frame/second difference. Clark PS. The benchmark page is at: http://www.dfw.net/~sdw/chris3d.html

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>Subject: Re: Anyone Using a P166? >Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:42:01 GMT >>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't >>want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like >>ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth >>(15+ fps) frame rate. >>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >>detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >>satisfied with it's performance? >> Thanks, Casey Hudson >My brother's Pentium 100 Runs the game fine with all the detail and >all the cars on! The 166 should have no problem! running ICR2 & GP2! >Get a good video card with the machine!

Ok, Tony - give us some insight. What kind of video card DOES your brother have? ________ Eldred Pickett I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

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>>Subject: Re: Anyone Using a P166? >>Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:42:01 GMT >>>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166. I don't >>>want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like >>>ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth >>>(15+ fps) frame rate. >>>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full >>>detail? What do you think the framerate is? Are you completely >>>satisfied with it's performance? >>> Thanks, Casey Hudson >>My brother's Pentium 100 Runs the game fine with all the detail and >>all the cars on! The 166 should have no problem! running ICR2 & GP2! >>Get a good video card with the machine! >Ok, Tony - give us some insight. What kind of video card DOES your brother >have?

He doesn't have svga on. Ass