No ONLINE Gran Turismo 4 !!!!

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550786p1.html TGS 2004: Gran Turismo 4 Goes Offline No online, new B-Spec mode. Due out in December. September 24, 2004 - At a Tokyo Game Show press event today, Sony Computer Entertainment announced a Japanese release date for Gran Turismo 4. The title will indeed arrive this year, with a release date planned for December 3. American and European releases will also take place in early December with America getting a tentative date of December 14. To make this date, SCE announced that the game would be missing its heavily touted online mode of play. The company plans on releasing a separate Online-compatible version of the game in the future. SCE confirmed some final details on what we can expect from the game. A total of over 650 cars will be available in the title, far more than the Gran Turismo 3 count. Commenting on the number of cars, series producer Kasunori Yamauchi said "The world of cars may appear incredibly large, but it's actually a collection of small worlds. In order to cover the interests of all users, we deemed it necessary to include this many cars." Yamauchi also confirmed that over fifty courses would make it into the game. These can be played in normal and reverse, making for over 100 varieties. The courses will include most of the courses that have appeared in the series so far along with new ones. The inclusion of so many courses is apparently part of one of the game's concepts of taking players on a journey through the world. Also revealed at the press event was the game's new B-Spec mode of play. This mode focuses on the simulation side of the Gran Turismo series. Players customize their cars and send them out to the raceway for a hands-off race. The game automatically controls the car on the track, allowing the player to view the race in replay form. Players can interrupt the game with breaking and acceleration instructions if they see fit. ____________ Sony drops online from Gran Turismo 4 by GamesIndustry.biz Polyphony Digital's long-awaited PS2 racing title Gran Turismo 4 is on track to meet worldwide release dates in early December - but at the cost of online play, which has been removed from the game. At a press conference at the Tokyo Game Show today, Sony representatives confirmed that the game will launch in Japan on December 3rd, followed by a launch in the USA and Europe around December 14th (which probably means Friday December 17th in Europe). However, the title will now be an offline game only, in a surprising move for the company - which had previously vaunted online play as being one of the key selling points for the new game. The plan is now to launch Gran Turismo 4 with offline play this year, while a new Gran Turismo game with online play is provisionally scheduled for 2005 at some point. We don't know much about the new title as yet, although we'd speculate that it might be a budget-priced release, similar to the post-GT3 Gran Turismo Concept. Strong rumours from within Sony and Polyphony Digital had suggested that online problems were the primary cause of the delay to Gran Turismo 4, with the team encountering serious difficulty in getting the online racing modes up to scratch. It seems likely that Sony took a decision to simply drop that functionality entirely from the game in order to ensure that it hit its Christmas release date.

Just saw this. Shocking...at least for console racers. If MS can just get a decent wheel, Forza could own the video driving-game market (GT1, 1, & 3 have sold 30 *million* copies...worth 1.5 *billion* buckaroos). "Xenon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550786p1.html > > TGS 2004: Gran Turismo 4 Goes Offline > No online, new B-Spec mode. Due out in December. > > > > September 24, 2004 - At a Tokyo Game Show press event today, Sony Computer > Entertainment announced a Japanese release date for Gran Turismo 4. The > title will indeed arrive this year, with a release date planned for

December > 3. American and European releases will also take place in early December > with America getting a tentative date of December 14. > > > To make this date, SCE announced that the game would be missing itsheavily

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> touted online mode of play. The company plans on releasing a separate > Online-compatible version of the game in the future. > > SCE confirmed some final details on what we can expect from the game. A > total of over 650 cars will be available in the title, far more than the > Gran Turismo 3 count. Commenting on the number of cars, series producer > Kasunori Yamauchi said "The world of cars may appear incredibly large, but > it's actually a collection of small worlds. In order to cover the

interests > of all users, we deemed it necessary to include this many cars." > > Yamauchi also confirmed that over fifty courses would make it into thegame. > These can be played in normal and reverse, making for over 100 varieties. > The courses will include most of the courses that have appeared in the > series so far along with new ones. The inclusion of so many courses is > apparently part of one of the game's concepts of taking players on ajourney > through the world. > > Also revealed at the press event was the game's new B-Spec mode of play. > This mode focuses on the simulation side of the Gran Turismo series.Players > customize their cars and send them out to the raceway for a hands-offrace. > The game automatically controls the car on the track, allowing the playerto

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> view the race in replay form. Players can interrupt the game with breaking > and acceleration instructions if they see fit. > > ____________ > Sony drops online from Gran Turismo 4 > by GamesIndustry.biz > > Polyphony Digital's long-awaited PS2 racing title Gran Turismo 4 is on

track > to meet worldwide release dates in early December - but at the cost of > online play, which has been removed from the game. > > At a press conference at the Tokyo Game Show today, Sony representatives > confirmed that the game will launch in Japan on December 3rd, followed bya

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> launch in the USA and Europe around December 14th (which probably means > Friday December 17th in Europe). > > However, the title will now be an offline game only, in a surprising move > for the company - which had previously vaunted online play as being one of > the key selling points for the new game. > > The plan is now to launch Gran Turismo 4 with offline play this year,

while > a new Gran Turismo game with online play is provisionally scheduled for2005 > at some point. We don't know much about the new title as yet, althoughwe'd > speculate that it might be a budget-priced release, similar to thepost-GT3 > Gran Turismo Concept. > > Strong rumours from within Sony and Polyphony Digital had suggested that > online problems were the primary cause of the delay to Gran Turismo 4,with > the team encountering serious difficulty in getting the online racingmodes > up to scratch. > > It seems likely that Sony took a decision to simply drop thatfunctionality > entirely from the game in order to ensure that it hit its Christmasrelease > date. > >

*jaw is on the floor*

There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from "Xenon" <[email hidden]>: >To make this date, SCE announced that the game would be missing its heavily >touted online mode of play. The company plans on releasing a separate >Online-compatible version of the game in the future. On the bright side an online only game may be the better option in the long run, i.e. it will be more devoted to online play rather than GT4 having it 'bolted on'. -- Also available in white How's my posting?

Hows that work, sony make more money out of you of an online version, that's just stupid if Microsoft done that everyone would be well pissed off and especially with a delay, well if Microsoft can get forza out im sure that would sell a few xboxs as long as its actually good! "SjT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> There's nothing i like more than finding a love letter from "Xenon" > <[email hidden]>: > >>To make this date, SCE announced that the game would be missing its >>heavily >>touted online mode of play. The company plans on releasing a separate >>Online-compatible version of the game in the future. > > On the bright side an online only game may be the better option in the > long run, i.e. it will be more devoted to online play rather than GT4 > having it 'bolted on'. > > -- > Also available in white > How's my posting?

"Xenon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550786p1.html > > TGS 2004: Gran Turismo 4 Goes Offline > No online, new B-Spec mode. Due out in December. <snipped> What shockingly shit news for PS2. Gareth.

BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. Just my opinion, of course. Phil "Gareth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4154a074$0$82256$[email hidden]...

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> > "Xenon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550786p1.html > > > > TGS 2004: Gran Turismo 4 Goes Offline > > No online, new B-Spec mode. Due out in December. > > <snipped> > > What shockingly shit news for PS2. > > Gareth. > >

BFG, Online *** is the most over rated past time on the planet. Just my opinion, of course. Phil

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> > http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550786p1.html > > TGS 2004: Gran Turismo 4 Goes Offline > > No online, new B-Spec mode. Due out in December. > <snipped> > What shockingly shit news for PS2. > Gareth.

I thought I had read somewhere that LAN support was still in. I guess Sony wants us to buy the new smaller PS2 and a 14 or 20" Sony TV to carry to a friend's house for a LAN party. ;-) -- "I'm not a cool person in real life, but I play one on the Internet" Galley

"Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. Just my > opinion, of course. I AGREE!!!!! 50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online isn't enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived!

In article <[email hidden]>, "Xenon" <[email hidden]> wrote: > http://ps2.ign.com/articles/550/550786p1.html > > TGS 2004: Gran Turismo 4 Goes Offline > No online, new B-Spec mode. Due out in December. > This could be quite a canny move, plenty of people like me have no online access, and for those desperate for GT4 they'll cheerfully buy whatever comes out, or maybe even get someone else to get it for them as a Christmas present. Those who wanted online play will then trade in their offline GT4 for the online version in the spring having had a few months to practice the tracks and cars rather than turn up online as green as a learner driver. Pisses me off though, as my local telephone exchange is finally going to be broadband enabled in December, so it would have been perfect timing for me to have started online gaming with the only game I've ever been interested in playing online. Couple that with all the interviews Kazunori Yamauchi did after the launch of GT3 where he claimed GT4 would be primarily desgined as an online game with single player aspects being secondary and it looks like a rather cynical and greedy move to sell people 2 copies of the same game. It'll probably work too. -- I Amuse (I am Hughes.) Judge Nutmeg in #Digi Hughes. is filmed in front of a live studio audience.

"Hughes." wrote: > Couple that with all the interviews Kazunori Yamauchi did after the launch of > GT3 where he claimed GT4 would be primarily desgined as an online game with > single player aspects being secondary and it looks like a rather cynical and > greedy move to sell people 2 copies of the same game. It'll probably work too. *cough* 2 and a quarter copies, they already know the technique works ;) Charlie

"dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > > BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. Justmy > > opinion, of course. > > I AGREE!!!!! > 50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online isn't > enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! yeah, I agree as well. I've tried it on the PC and tried it on the DC and have yet to play a game that has kept me entertained with online play for any length of time.

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> > "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > > > BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet.

Just > my > > > opinion, of course. > > > > I AGREE!!!!! > > 50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing onlineisn't > > enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > yeah, I agree as well. I've tried it on the PC and tried it on the DC and > have yet to play a game that has kept me entertained with online play for > any length of time. *wooosh*

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> > "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > > > BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet.

Just > my > > > opinion, of course. > > > > I AGREE!!!!! > > 50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing onlineisn't

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> > enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > yeah, I agree as well. I've tried it on the PC and tried it on the DC and > have yet to play a game that has kept me entertained with online play for > any length of time. > >

I think he was being facetious.

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> "Hughes." wrote: > > > Couple that with all the interviews Kazunori Yamauchi did after the launch > > of > > GT3 where he claimed GT4 would be primarily desgined as an online game with > > single player aspects being secondary and it looks like a rather cynical > > and > > greedy move to sell people 2 copies of the same game. It'll probably work > > too. > > *cough* > 2 and a quarter copies, they already know the technique works ;) >

*slaps forehead* How did I forget? Oh yes, because I didn't buy Prologue. Now I will feel only half a chump when I buy both the off and online versions. -- I Amuse (I am Hughes.) Judge Nutmeg in #Digi Hughes. is filmed in front of a live studio audience.

I think he was being sarcastic or whatever, but I agree somewhat about online gaming. I used to play alot when quake 2,3 and then whencounterstrike first started out, But then I moved and didnt have broadband for awhile. Since coming back theres alot more people yes, but its turned into a community of shit talking little assholes. Sometimes things like the mic can fuck things up, hehe. Oh well, its still fun everyone once in awhile. But Im enjoying just playing the games whether theres online capabilities or not. "ZipZap" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >> "Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... >> > BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. Just > my >> > opinion, of course. >> >> I AGREE!!!!! >> 50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online >> isn't >> enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > yeah, I agree as well. I've tried it on the PC and tried it on the DC and > have yet to play a game that has kept me entertained with online play for > any length of time. > >

"arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rdj5d.2843$Wu1.2640@trnddc02... > I think he was being sarcastic or whatever, but I agree somewhat about > online gaming. I used to play alot when quake 2,3 and then > whencounterstrike first started out, But then I moved and didnt have > broadband for awhile. Since coming back theres alot more people yes, butits > turned into a community of shit talking little assholes. I was totally addicted to Quake 2 and there were nothing but shit "typing" assholes then, 6+ years ago. > Sometimes things > like the mic can fuck things up, hehe. I agree 110%, the mic SUCKS especially with kids. > Oh well, its still fun everyone once in awhile. But Im enjoying justplaying > the games whether theres online capabilities or not. For me online gaming is perfect because I "mostly" play with real life friends. I rarely play with people I don't know but I have added roughly 12 people I have met on Live. With the PS2, I only play with people I know in life. Shit talkers and cheaters do ruin online gaming. For me, and most people I know, gaming is an escape from everyday life/reality and the last thing we want to deal with is some punkass teenager that curses every other word or is using some sort of cheat/hack/bug or glitch to have an unfair advantage against you..

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> > "ZipZap" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > > > > BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. > Just > > my > > > > opinion, of course. > > > > > > I AGREE!!!!! > > > 50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online > isn't > > > enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > > > yeah, I agree as well. I've tried it on the PC and tried it on the DC

and > > have yet to play a game that has kept me entertained with online playfor > > any length of time. > > > > > > I think he was being facetious. Nu uh, I was not talking "shit" :-)

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> > >Just saw this. Shocking...at least for console racers. If MS can >just get >a decent wheel, Forza could own the video driving-game market (GT1, >1, & 3 >have sold 30 *million* copies...worth 1.5 *billion* buckaroos).

You are an idiot. Gran Turismo 3 had no online crap, in fact *NONE* of the previous Gran Turismo games had online garbage. Didn't stop them from becoming the most sought-after games around. You online-gaming freaks need to get a clue and then get a fucking life. Get off your lazy fat asses, waddle outside and do so fucking push-ups or something.

In article <k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53>, [email hidden] says... > > >BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. >Just my >opinion, of course. It's not just your opinion. There are hell of a lot of people who couldn't care less that there won't be a online feature in Gran Turismo 4. I rather doubt online gaming would be either a major playing selling point in a game like Gran Turismo 4 which isn't about crashing into or running the other drivers/cars off the track/road which is what online racing crowd seems to be all about these days. I rather doubt the morons whining that there may not be a online gaming feature in Gran Turismo 4 are fans of the Gran Turismo games. They rather sound like they're fans of a movie called "Death Race 2000". Lamers.

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> > > >"Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... >> BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. >> Just my >> opinion, of course. > >I AGREE!!!!! >50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online >isn't >enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived!

Yeah. That's why almost everytime one turns around you hear about another PC Game producer going belly up. Real sucess story, PC Online Gaming is.

Chris Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4155ede2$0$4054 $[email hidden]: > Didn't stop them from becoming the most sought-after games and this cross posted item is in a newsgroup about sims. GT3 IS a great game...but WITHOUT damage, WITHOUT a viable cockpit and WITHOUT an online component, it's just that...a game. If I want to twiddle my thumbs...I can probably find other challenging things like...well like twiddling my thumbs. Online was one of the big FEATURED items in all GT4 previews. This would be similar to releasing a new version of Madden Football and choosing to not include a computer opponent since "defense doesn't really add to the experience." dave henrie

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> In article <[email hidden]>, bkr.me@u says... > > > > > > > >"Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > >> BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. > >> Just my > >> opinion, of course. > > > >I AGREE!!!!! > >50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online > >isn't > >enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > > Yeah. That's why almost everytime one turns around you hear about another > PC Game producer going belly up. > > > Real sucess story, PC Online Gaming is.

Every time you open your mouth you sound dumber then the time before, if that's even possible. Is that why at one time there was 100,000 servers for Half Life counter strike? Alienware (A gaming PC mainly company) stocks are skyrocketing because of the failure of PC gaming, huh? Do you have clue one how many copies ID sold of Doom 3 for the PC the past several weeks? OMG dude, crawl back under your rock and just STFU already! Online gaming is here to stay, especially on the PC! *rolls eyes @dumbfuck Lee's stupidity*

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> > "arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Rdj5d.2843$Wu1.2640@trnddc02... > > I think he was being sarcastic or whatever, but I agree somewhat about > > online gaming. I used to play alot when quake 2,3 and then > > whencounterstrike first started out, But then I moved and didnt have > > broadband for awhile. Since coming back theres alot more people yes, but > its > > turned into a community of shit talking little assholes. > > I was totally addicted to Quake 2 and there were nothing but shit "typing" > assholes then, 6+ years ago. > > > > Sometimes things > > like the mic can fuck things up, hehe. > > > I agree 110%, the mic SUCKS especially with kids. > > > > Oh well, its still fun everyone once in awhile. But Im enjoying just > playing > > the games whether theres online capabilities or not. > > > For me online gaming is perfect because I "mostly" play with real life > friends. > I rarely play with people I don't know but I have added roughly 12 people

I > have met on Live. > With the PS2, I only play with people I know in life. Never added me ass wipe.

Chris Lee wrote:

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> In article <k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53>, [email hidden] says... > >> >>BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. >>Just my >>opinion, of course. > > > It's not just your opinion. There are hell of a lot of people who couldn't > care less that there won't be a online feature in Gran Turismo 4. > > I rather doubt online gaming would be either a major playing selling point > in a game like Gran Turismo 4 which isn't about crashing into or running the > other drivers/cars off the track/road which is what online racing crowd seems > to be all about these days. > > > I rather doubt the morons whining that there may not be a online gaming > feature in Gran Turismo 4 are fans of the Gran Turismo games. > > > They rather sound like they're fans of a movie called "Death Race 2000". > > Lamers. > > > > >

You really do sound like the kind-a-guy who's happiest when he's playing with himself!

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> Chris Lee wrote: > > In article <k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53>, [email hidden] says... > > > >> > >>BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. > >>Just my > >>opinion, of course. > > > > > > It's not just your opinion. There are hell of a lot of people who

couldn't > > care less that there won't be a online feature in Gran Turismo 4. > > > > I rather doubt online gaming would be either a major playing sellingpoint > > in a game like Gran Turismo 4 which isn't about crashing into or runningthe > > other drivers/cars off the track/road which is what online racing crowdseems

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> > to be all about these days. > > > > > > I rather doubt the morons whining that there may not be a online gaming > > feature in Gran Turismo 4 are fans of the Gran Turismo games. > > > > > > They rather sound like they're fans of a movie called "Death Race 2000". > > > > Lamers. > > > > > > > > > > > You really do sound like the kind-a-guy who's happiest when he's playing > with himself!

Ker-SLAAAAAAM!

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> > "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Rdj5d.2843$Wu1.2640@trnddc02... > > > I think he was being sarcastic or whatever, but I agree somewhat about > > > online gaming. I used to play alot when quake 2,3 and then > > > whencounterstrike first started out, But then I moved and didnt have > > > broadband for awhile. Since coming back theres alot more people yes,

but > > its > > > turned into a community of shit talking little assholes. > > > > I was totally addicted to Quake 2 and there were nothing but shit"typing"

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> > assholes then, 6+ years ago. > > > > > > > Sometimes things > > > like the mic can fuck things up, hehe. > > > > > > I agree 110%, the mic SUCKS especially with kids. > > > > > > > Oh well, its still fun everyone once in awhile. But Im enjoying just > > playing > > > the games whether theres online capabilities or not. > > > > > > For me online gaming is perfect because I "mostly" play with real life > > friends. > > I rarely play with people I don't know but I have added roughly 12

people > I > > have met on Live. > > With the PS2, I only play with people I know in life. > > Never added me ass wipe. I added you, I just haven't been online the past few weeks because I am rebuilding my gameroom (practically from scratch). I am almost done and I will meet up with you online soon, I look forward to playing against you, just not in a football game :-) - I'm not dumb!

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> > "Chris Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4155f37a$0$4054$[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, bkr.me@u says... > > > > > > > > > > > >"Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > > >> BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. > > >> Just my > > >> opinion, of course. > > > > > >I AGREE!!!!! > > >50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online > > >isn't > > >enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > > > > > Yeah. That's why almost everytime one turns around you hear about

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> > PC Game producer going belly up. > > > > > > Real sucess story, PC Online Gaming is. > > Every time you open your mouth you sound dumber then the time before, if > that's even possible. > Is that why at one time there was 100,000 servers for Half Life counter > strike? > Alienware (A gaming PC mainly company) stocks are skyrocketing because of > the failure of PC gaming, huh? > Do you have clue one how many copies ID sold of Doom 3 for the PC the past > several weeks? > OMG dude, crawl back under your rock and just STFU already! > Online gaming is here to stay, especially on the PC! *rolls eyes @dumbfuck > Lee's stupidity*

oh I forgot to mention Dell's (the biggest *richest anyway* computer company (not software) in the WORLD!) 2nd most sold unit is the high performance gaming PC, 2nd only to thier office PC's.

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> "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PTA5d.1328$[email hidden]... > >>Chris Lee wrote: >> >>>In article <k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53>, [email hidden] says... >>> >>> >>>>BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. >>>>Just my >>>>opinion, of course. >>> >>> >>>It's not just your opinion. There are hell of a lot of people who > > couldn't > >>>care less that there won't be a online feature in Gran Turismo 4. >>> >>>I rather doubt online gaming would be either a major playing selling > > point > >>>in a game like Gran Turismo 4 which isn't about crashing into or running > > the > >>>other drivers/cars off the track/road which is what online racing crowd > > seems > >>>to be all about these days. >>> >>> >>>I rather doubt the morons whining that there may not be a online gaming >>>feature in Gran Turismo 4 are fans of the Gran Turismo games. >>> >>> >>>They rather sound like they're fans of a movie called "Death Race 2000". >>> >>>Lamers. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>You really do sound like the kind-a-guy who's happiest when he's playing >>with himself! > > > Ker-SLAAAAAAM! > >

I wonder if chris mass debates over on-line gaming with his friends?

Who needs online capabilities anyway, for PS2 players outside the USA or UK online services are pitiful, and those without a lot of money go without it. I was annoyed that SOCOM 2 had minimal single player missions, favouring the online crowd instead, a lot of people still play games without their PS2's hooked up to a modem or broadband. I for one am glad Polyphony Digital favoured development the actual game instead of satisfying those people who like to think they're cool by playing their games online.

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> > > > online gaming. I used to play alot when quake 2,3 and then > > > > whencounterstrike first started out, But then I moved and didnt have > > > > broadband for awhile. Since coming back theres alot more people yes, > but > > > its > > > > turned into a community of shit talking little assholes. > > > > > > I was totally addicted to Quake 2 and there were nothing but shit > "typing" > > > assholes then, 6+ years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes things > > > > like the mic can fuck things up, hehe. > > > > > > > > > I agree 110%, the mic SUCKS especially with kids. > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, its still fun everyone once in awhile. But Im enjoying just > > > playing > > > > the games whether theres online capabilities or not. > > > > > > > > > For me online gaming is perfect because I "mostly" play with real life > > > friends. > > > I rarely play with people I don't know but I have added roughly 12 > people > > I > > > have met on Live. > > > With the PS2, I only play with people I know in life. > > > > Never added me ass wipe. > > I added you, I just haven't been online the past few weeks because I am > rebuilding my gameroom (practically from scratch). I am almost done and I > will meet up with you online soon, I look forward to playing against you, > just not in a football game :-) - I'm not dumb! > >

LOL. Well I suck at racing games so there has to be a happy medium.

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> > "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Chris Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:4155f37a$0$4054$[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, bkr.me@u says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > > > >> BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. > > > >> Just my > > > >> opinion, of course. > > > > > > > >I AGREE!!!!! > > > >50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online > > > >isn't > > > >enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > > > > > > > > Yeah. That's why almost everytime one turns around you hear about > another > > > PC Game producer going belly up. > > > > > > > > > Real sucess story, PC Online Gaming is. > > > > Every time you open your mouth you sound dumber then the time before, if > > that's even possible. > > Is that why at one time there was 100,000 servers for Half Life counter > > strike? > > Alienware (A gaming PC mainly company) stocks are skyrocketing because

of > > the failure of PC gaming, huh? > > Do you have clue one how many copies ID sold of Doom 3 for the PC thepast > > several weeks? > > OMG dude, crawl back under your rock and just STFU already! > > Online gaming is here to stay, especially on the PC! *rolls eyes@dumbfuck > > Lee's stupidity* > > oh I forgot to mention Dell's (the biggest *richest anyway* computercompany > (not software) in the WORLD!) 2nd most sold unit is the high performance > gaming PC, 2nd only to thier office PC's. > > Dell is run by dumb asses. I just bought a laptop and a desktop from them and they have...........NO WAY TO PAY YOUR DELL ACCOUNT ONLINE. How the hell can a computer company not have online bill pay, dumb asses.

But quake 2 was the shit! "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Rdj5d.2843$Wu1.2640@trnddc02... >> I think he was being sarcastic or whatever, but I agree somewhat about >> online gaming. I used to play alot when quake 2,3 and then >> whencounterstrike first started out, But then I moved and didnt have >> broadband for awhile. Since coming back theres alot more people yes, but > its >> turned into a community of shit talking little assholes. > > I was totally addicted to Quake 2 and there were nothing but shit "typing" > assholes then, 6+ years ago. > > >> Sometimes things >> like the mic can fuck things up, hehe. > > > I agree 110%, the mic SUCKS especially with kids. > > >> Oh well, its still fun everyone once in awhile. But Im enjoying just > playing >> the games whether theres online capabilities or not. > > > For me online gaming is perfect because I "mostly" play with real life > friends. > I rarely play with people I don't know but I have added roughly 12 people > I > have met on Live. > With the PS2, I only play with people I know in life. > > Shit talkers and cheaters do ruin online gaming. > For me, and most people I know, gaming is an escape from everyday > life/reality and the last thing we want to deal with is some punkass > teenager that curses every other word or is using some sort of > cheat/hack/bug or glitch to have an unfair advantage against you.. > >

>"SjT" <[email hidden]> wrote > On the bright side an online only game may be the better option in the > long run, i.e. it will be more devoted to online play rather than GT4 > having it 'bolted on'. Yeah we saw that with MotorCity Online. o_O -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fRD5d.1211$ku4.773@trnddc01... > But quake 2 was the shit! My favorite game of all time! The almost all of the guys I played with (a clan made up of all adults, cept me *mind only* :) ) don't even play PC games anymore because nothing came out that they have enjoyed as much as Q2. A couple of the guys I know still play it! I have since moved on to console gaming fulltime but I am holding out hope that eventually another FPS game will give me the same rush Q2 once did.

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> "arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fRD5d.1211$ku4.773@trnddc01... >> But quake 2 was the shit! > > > My favorite game of all time! > The almost all of the guys I played with (a clan made up of all > adults, cept me *mind only* :) ) don't even play PC games anymore > because nothing came out that they have enjoyed as much as Q2. > A couple of the guys I know still play it! > > I have since moved on to console gaming fulltime but I am holding out > hope that eventually another FPS game will give me the same rush Q2 > once did. >

Not an unreal tournament fan then.

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> Who needs online capabilities anyway, for PS2 players outside the USA > or UK online services are pitiful, and those without a lot of money go > without it. I was annoyed that SOCOM 2 had minimal single player > missions, favouring the online crowd instead, a lot of people still > play games without their PS2's hooked up to a modem or broadband. I > for one am glad Polyphony Digital favoured development the actual > game instead of satisfying those people who like to think they're > cool by playing their games online. >

It's a fair point. GT series is only as good as the last one. If there is a move to developing online play at the expense of game content and offline playability i reckon its day's as supremo ultimo bar none are numbered.

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> > "ZipZap" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Philthy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53... > > > > BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. > Just > > my > > > > opinion, of course. > > > > > > I AGREE!!!!! > > > 50 million PC gamers and 3.5+ million console players playing online > isn't > > > enough people to warrant online gaming has arrived! > > > > yeah, I agree as well. I've tried it on the PC and tried it on the DC

and > > have yet to play a game that has kept me entertained with online playfor > > any length of time. > > *wooosh* > > HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Me to man! I wasnt in a clan , but I remember being up till dawn for many months playing rocket arena. I remember how the chat text was big enough so you could actually chat and what not. Then q3 came out and the text was so small, kind of took the sense of playing multiplayer with real people out of it. Well at least for me anyways. Plus q3 just didnt do it for me. But Ive been playing the ut2k4 demo which is cool. Battlefield 1942 desert combat mod. But no that much. "dementia" <bkr.me@u> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fRD5d.1211$ku4.773@trnddc01... >> But quake 2 was the shit! > > > My favorite game of all time! > The almost all of the guys I played with (a clan made up of all adults, > cept > me *mind only* :) ) don't even play PC games anymore because nothing came > out that they have enjoyed as much as Q2. > A couple of the guys I know still play it! > > I have since moved on to console gaming fulltime but I am holding out hope > that eventually another FPS game will give me the same rush Q2 once did. > >

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> dementia wrote: > >>"arias" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:fRD5d.1211$ku4.773@trnddc01... >> >>>But quake 2 was the shit! >> >> >>My favorite game of all time! >>The almost all of the guys I played with (a clan made up of all >>adults, cept me *mind only* :) ) don't even play PC games anymore >>because nothing came out that they have enjoyed as much as Q2. >>A couple of the guys I know still play it! >> >>I have since moved on to console gaming fulltime but I am holding out >>hope that eventually another FPS game will give me the same rush Q2 >>once did. >> > > Not an unreal tournament fan then. > >

Joint Ops too real for you, then?

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> Chris Lee wrote: > >> In article <k345d.254249$Fg5.114638@attbi_s53>, [email hidden] says... >> >>> >>> BFG, Online gaming is the most over rated past time on the planet. >>> Just my >>> opinion, of course. >> >> >> >> It's not just your opinion. There are hell of a lot of people who >> couldn't care less that there won't be a online feature in Gran >> Turismo 4. >> I rather doubt online gaming would be either a major playing selling >> point in a game like Gran Turismo 4 which isn't about crashing into or >> running the other drivers/cars off the track/road which is what online >> racing crowd seems to be all about these days. >> >> >> I rather doubt the morons whining that there may not be a online >> gaming feature in Gran Turismo 4 are fans of the Gran Turismo games. >> >> They rather sound like they're fans of a movie called "Death Race 2000". >> >> Lamers. >> >> >> >> >> > You really do sound like the kind-a-guy who's happiest when he's playing > with himself!

great game dude

I have Destruction Derby Arenas and Burnout 3, which are online. Whenever I have gone online to play there is hardly anyone there, so I end up playing offline anyways. There is a group of us mates that get together about once a month, link up 6 playstations using 4 TV's and 2 projectors. We mostly play GT3, which is excellent over Firewire. We also use the PS2's online too, but the 6 player GT3 link-up always ends up becoming the one to play. I for one do not mind there not being any online ability in GT4, I bought all the GT series for the driving physics and graphics of the game - which astounded me, and still do. What I would like however, which needs improving (and is still the same in GT4-Prologue) is better AI, which is massive pants. I know of one person who has cancelled his pre-booking of GT4 from Amazon due to the lack of online functionality, which to be honest, was one of the major features of the game. Well atleast GT4 is LAN'able and some of us do have the adapter, so we will simply switch from Firewire to CAT45. So I will still be buying GT4. I do not know how popular the PS2 is online, but I know the X-BOX is massive and seems to chucking out online games like there is no tomorrow - including driving games. Demon

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> I have Destruction Derby Arenas and Burnout 3, which are online. > Whenever I have gone online to play there is hardly anyone there, so I > end up playing offline anyways. > > There is a group of us mates that get together about once a month, > link up 6 playstations using 4 TV's and 2 projectors. We mostly play > GT3, which is excellent over Firewire. We also use the PS2's online > too, but the 6 player GT3 link-up always ends up becoming the one to > play. > > I for one do not mind there not being any online ability in GT4, I > bought all the GT series for the driving physics and graphics of the > game - which astounded me, and still do. What I would like however, > which needs improving (and is still the same in GT4-Prologue) is > better AI, which is massive pants. > > I know of one person who has cancelled his pre-booking of GT4 from > Amazon due to the lack of online functionality, which to be honest, > was one of the major features of the game. Well atleast GT4 is > LAN'able and some of us do have the adapter, so we will simply switch > from Firewire to CAT45. So I will still be buying GT4. > > I do not know how popular the PS2 is online, but I know the X-BOX is > massive and seems to chucking out online games like there is no > tomorrow - including driving games. > > Demon

Personally I agree, no on-line is fine with me. But, as you're obviously in the know... Is the Fireware connection a standard firewire? or do I need to hunt down an old PS/2 special cable? Trying to find one for our monthly race sessions (we make do with either split screen - yuck, ghost car racing or timed runs). Also, just a thought, but assuming you can network play, surely a wan is a slightly slower lan, and as such, if you know the other machine's IP address or something you can simply lan to that. But, to be honest I'm way out of my depth with PS/2 networking as I don't know how they connect to the net, and so perhaps some enlightened souls would let me know! Ta Andy

> > Personally I agree, no on-line is fine with me. But, as you're obviouslyin > the know... > Is the Fireware connection a standard firewire? or do I need to hunt downan > old PS/2 special cable? Trying to find one for our monthly race sessions(we > make do with either split screen - yuck, ghost car racing or timed runs). > > Also, just a thought, but assuming you can network play, surely a wan is a > slightly slower lan, and as such, if you know the other machine's IPaddress > or something you can simply lan to that. But, to be honest I'm way out ofmy > depth with PS/2 networking as I don't know how they connect to the net,and > so perhaps some enlightened souls would let me know! > > Ta > Andy > >If you are trying to play with only two PS/2s, a normal firewire cable will be enough to connect them. The fun begins when you try to connect more than two machines. Then you need a firewire hub and cables with six wires on one end and four on the other. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 2004-10-15

"Groo the Wanderer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:08ked.46827$[email hidden]... > > > > > Personally I agree, no on-line is fine with me. But, as you're obviously > in > > the know... > > Is the Fireware connection a standard firewire? or do I need to huntdown > an > > old PS/2 special cable? Trying to find one for our monthly race sessions > (we > > make do with either split screen - yuck, ghost car racing or timedruns). > > > > Also, just a thought, but assuming you can network play, surely a wan isa > > slightly slower lan, and as such, if you know the other machine's IP > address > > or something you can simply lan to that. But, to be honest I'm way outof

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> my > > depth with PS/2 networking as I don't know how they connect to the net, > and > > so perhaps some enlightened souls would let me know! > > > > Ta > > Andy > > > > > If you are trying to play with only two PS/2s, a normal firewire cable

will > be enough to connect them. The fun begins when you try to connect morethan > two machines. Then you need a firewire hub and cables with six wires onone > end and four on the other. > Cheers. No need to hub it, so I'll purchase a standard firewire...

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> "Groo the Wanderer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:08ked.46827$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Personally I agree, no on-line is fine with me. But, as you're obviously > > in > > > the know... > > > Is the Fireware connection a standard firewire? or do I need to hunt > down > > an > > > old PS/2 special cable? Trying to find one for our monthly race sessions > > (we > > > make do with either split screen - yuck, ghost car racing or timed > runs). > > > > > > Also, just a thought, but assuming you can network play, surely a wan is > a > > > slightly slower lan, and as such, if you know the other machine's IP > > address > > > or something you can simply lan to that. But, to be honest I'm way out > of > > my > > > depth with PS/2 networking as I don't know how they connect to the net, > > and > > > so perhaps some enlightened souls would let me know!

I'd bet a dollar that a hack to do just that will exist very soon after GT4 comes out. Note that there are similar hacks for both the XBox (mainly for Halo 1) and the Gamecube (the infamous Warp Pipe, though I can't remember which game you're most likely to use it with). Indeed, I was mildly surprised such hack was never created for a firewire-based PS2-PC-Internet-PC-PS2 linkup for playing GT3, but I think there are technical issues that may have made that tricky.

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> > If you are trying to play with only two PS/2s, a normal firewire cable > will > > be enough to connect them. The fun begins when you try to connect more > than > > two machines. Then you need a firewire hub and cables with six wires on > one > > end and four on the other. > > > > Cheers. > No need to hub it, so I'll purchase a standard firewire...

One caveat: there's more than one "standard" firewire. You want a 4-pin to 4-pin cable. They're not the most common type, but should cost $10 or less from a wide variety of sources. I don't know if they'd be the cheapest source, but places that sell digital camcorders are likely to have these, along with better AV or computer stores everywhere. The trick is that 6-pin firewire cables are quite common, but will not work. 4-to-6 cables are probably the most common type, since that's what you need to connect a camcorder to a computer, most of the time (Sony is almost alone in putting 4-pin Firewire connectors on their computers). Just in case you care, the difference is that the extra two pins on a 6-pin cable carry power, so you can power or charge light-duty devices (hard drives, iPods...) without an external power supply. The 4-pin connector is smaller, though, so it is nearly standard on space-constrained devices, which means digital video cameras. Firewire (aka IEEE 1394) hubs are probably available in 4- or 6-pin arrangements, but in either case are a somewhat rare item. -- Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.