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Nothing like a netcop, eh? [...] In my opinion, netcops should swallow their modems, then power-up.

Btw, how droll of him to put in a Followup-To line and not bother telling anyone.

: If you start paying for my feed, you can post anything you want. But : as long as the cost of your access is subsidized by me, : I'd appreciate : if you'd refrain from doing boneheaded things like posting gargantuan : binaries to discussion groups. How about you paying for mine, then you can tell me what I can and cannot post. If you have a sluggish connection, dump it and get a better provider.

>If you start paying for my feed, you can post anything you want. But >as long as the cost of your access is subsidized by me, I'd appreciate >if you'd refrain from doing boneheaded things like posting gargantuan >binaries to discussion groups. The truly boneheaded thing is paying for metered Inet access.

The thing is, each newsgroup is allotted a certain amount of space on the newsserver. Old news gets deleted to make space for new news automatically. This means that when a binary comes in to a discussion group, newsservers wind up killing a lot of older articles to make space for the binary, which is usually huge. That Tenchi post was 8 parts, each of which was about 900 lines if I recall right. If you figure that the average post (condensed to the amount of space it actually takes) is about 15 lines, you are looking at 60 x 8 = ~480 messages that got tossed early from the newsserver to make space for the new binary. There are 34 binaries groups associated with RAA. alt.binaries.pictures.anime alt.binaries.pictures.***.anime alt.binaries.pictures.***a.anime These can be used for binaries without problems. Todd. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Todd Showalter / LAND ROVER ATTACK! / ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

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> >: If you start paying for my feed, you can post anything you want. But > >: as long as the cost of your access is subsidized by me, > >: I'd appreciate > >: if you'd refrain from doing boneheaded things like posting gargantuan > >: binaries to discussion groups. > >How about you paying for mine, then you can tell me what I can and cannot > >post.

Oh jeez, another Canker & Seagull, just what we need. Isn't there already a nice hierarchy devoted to binary postings? There's no need to post binaries in the discussion groups, which are often frequented by people without high-bandwidth connections. Anyway, what I'd like to see is people putting up for FTP whatever binaries they wish to make available to the world and then posting pointers to the location, instead of posting the binary. Those who couldn't FTP could then ask for a uuencode|mail or for a friend to FTP it for them. There are also the various ftpmail servers here and there. And when people like you clog even ISDN connections to our ISP's? Will you tell us all to get T3's to our homes? Or will cablemodems do for the time being? If attitudes like yours become much more popular, no amount of bandwidth will ever be enough. And buy a new OS as well, when no amount of hardware can solve minor problems like exhaustion of the lower 640KB or of those tiny 64KB resource heaps. :-( [chomp] Why is this crossposted to such different newsgroups? Followups to alt.retromod. -- WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!

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>: If you start paying for my feed, you can post anything you want. But >: as long as the cost of your access is subsidized by me, >: I'd appreciate >: if you'd refrain from doing boneheaded things like posting gargantuan >: binaries to discussion groups. >How about you paying for mine, then you can tell me what I can and cannot >post.

Don't you understand that we are here on the basis that we don't bother the others? If I wanted to, I could ruin everything you do, but I don't. Why? Because I don't want you to do that to me. I don't about you, but I don't like seeing 40-50K binary postings being downloaded. This is just like the Microsoft stategy: If the app runs to slow, buy new hardware. -- Newbiehood is not a period of time, it's a way of life. http://www.sn.no/~balchen/ ftp://ftp.sn.no/user/balchen/

>>If you start paying for my feed, you can post anything you want. But >>as long as the cost of your access is subsidized by me, I'd appreciate >>if you'd refrain from doing boneheaded things like posting gargantuan >>binaries to discussion groups. >The truly boneheaded thing is paying for metered Inet access. OBTW, I was NOT the poster of the binary. Learn to read attributions next time you put your rant in gear.

I take that back. I just stopped into alt.guitar to double check. It's a 60-part(!) binary. 900 lines in each message. Go check that out before making up your mind on binary cancels. Maybe you'll want to download it and play it thru your soundblaster. Mark G.

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>Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 16:29:04 GMT >>I don't know why people keep compaining in this group about binary postings. >>If you don't open the post that is usually claearly marked then you don't have >>to worry about using your time to view it. This is the only group I >>consistantly see people complaining about uploads. > The thing is, each newsgroup is allotted a certain amount of space >on the newsserver. Old news gets deleted to make space for new news >automatically. This means that when a binary comes in to a discussion >group, newsservers wind up killing a lot of older articles to make >space for the binary, which is usually huge. > That Tenchi post was 8 parts, each of which was about 900 lines if >I recall right. If you figure that the average post (condensed to the >amount of space it actually takes) is about 15 lines, you are looking >at 60 x 8 = ~480 messages that got tossed early from the newsserver to >make space for the new binary. > There are 34 binaries groups associated with RAA. >alt.binaries.pictures.anime >alt.binaries.pictures.***.anime >alt.binaries.pictures.***a.anime > These can be used for binaries without problems. > Todd. >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >/ Todd Showalter / LAND ROVER ATTACK! / >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Ok......thanks for the explanation although are you sure that is what actually happens? I was always under the impression that news was time removed and not space removed. For example some of the newsroups I subscribe to, if I don't go in for a while I can literally load 1500 messages. Additionally, as I'm writing this if you look at the volume in this group, even with binaries they would never equal that kind of volume.

: >for a good ISP connection, fast modem, heaps of memory, and a modern : >offline reader with which I can select what messages I receive and : >those I do not wish to receive - but the lowest common denominator : Isn't that the crux of it. I can't believe it's 1996 and there : are people who download entire newsgroups -- *bodys* as well as headers, : over slow, metered modem connections. I hate to jump into this, but continental US online service folks WAKE UP! Not everyone has T1 to their door even if they can pay for, and there are folks who download news and mail at off hours. NPS

(Nothing personal) Is anal-retentive a word that English-speaking persons like to use? No, it's easy for those with _knowledge_ to rule you. Because USENET is founded on anarchy, without censorship and other things that come with control, you have to know how things work and how to do things to have power. -- Newbiehood is not a period of time, it's a way of life. http://www.sn.no/~balchen/ ftp://ftp.sn.no/user/balchen/

>>If you start paying for my feed, you can post anything you want. But >>as long as the cost of your access is subsidized by me, I'd appreciate >>if you'd refrain from doing boneheaded things like posting gargantuan >>binaries to discussion groups. >The truly boneheaded thing is paying for metered Inet access. We are all paying for metered internet access. The more traffic you send, the more cables we have to run, and the more you wind up paying for it. It's as simple as that. Bandwidth is not unlimited, and it's not free, and the more of it you use, the more your service is going to cost you. Hell, I remember when the Usenet backbone consisted of uucp sites calling long-distance cross-country at 1200 bps. We now have an infrastructure capable of handling much more traffic, and we got it by paying good money for it. It's overloaded enough as it is, too, and it's not going to get any better unless people start paying money to upgrade it. Sorry, you don't get something for nothing. --scott distance call -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

>We are all paying for metered internet access. The more traffic you send, >the more cables we have to run, and the more you wind up paying for it. >It's as simple as that. Bandwidth is not unlimited, and it's not free, >and the more of it you use, the more your service is going to cost you. That's nonsense. Ever hear of "economies of scale"? Bandwidth becomes cheaper as it becomes more available. Perhaps you learned economics on a soviet toilet-paper line? Net access is constantly becoming cheaper and faster, the exact opposite as you claim. Get a clue. And learn to only download the articles you want to read! Sheesh.

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>Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 15:19:10 GMT >>We are all paying for metered internet access. The more traffic you send, >>the more cables we have to run, and the more you wind up paying for it. >>It's as simple as that. Bandwidth is not unlimited, and it's not free, >>and the more of it you use, the more your service is going to cost you. >That's nonsense. >Ever hear of "economies of scale"? >Bandwidth becomes cheaper as it becomes more available. >Perhaps you learned economics on a soviet toilet-paper line? >Net access is constantly becoming cheaper and faster, the exact >opposite as you claim. >Get a clue. >And learn to only download the articles you want to read! >Sheesh.

Exactly!!