crap brakes on indycar 2

ok...i'm open to the suggestion that it is me that is crap, but when using indy2 i find that the braking distances that i need to use are far greater than the AI cars seem to use. for instance trying to brake for the 2 chicanes on the backside of the australian track is a nightmare (and when the distance markers disapear....forget it) I know that the amount of downforce in the real indycars have been reduced, has the AI taken this into account. Currently i use a joystick, but might have to think about a wheel of somekind. Also anyone tried using the F193 and 95 zip files from the pits?...i cant get close to them on 100%...nice to look at but too ***y quick in the road courses, for me at least. I never had all this hassle with indy 1...Any advice would be appreciated.....and yes i probably am crap:) -- billy w

>Also anyone tried using the F193 and 95 zip files from the >pits?...i cant get close to them on 100%...nice to look at but too >***y quick in the road courses, for me at least. Thats because Steve tuned them to drive like F1 cars! Quick and nimble! Jed The Pits www.ukps.com/thepits www.fwb.gulf.net/~jkohl/thepits

> ok...i'm open to the suggestion that it is me that is crap, but when > using indy2 i find that the braking distances that i need to use are > far greater than the AI cars seem to use. Don't know if this is true in EVERY case; I find that (with a joystick, 100% opponents) I can wait MUCH deeper into many corners than the AI cars before braking. This is, in fact, how I manage to get around them - I sure as heck can't out accelerate them ! Specific points in mind: 1) End of long straights at Elkhart (for sure my favorite course). 2) End of front straight at Laguna, just into the Corkscrew, then into the turn just before the pit entrance and front straight. and probably others as well. Places where I can't out-brake, I probably just don't know my braking points as well. It's definitely a SKILL. pwb

Billy, you're not crap, maybe just your joystick. A wheel combo helps alot. I've turned a 1:41.1xx at Elkhart Lake but can't qualify any better than 20th with the f195 carset!

JJ> >Also anyone tried using the F193 and 95 zip files from the JJ> >pits?...i cant get close to them on 100%...nice to look at but too JJ> >***y quick in the road courses, for me at least. JJ> Thats because Steve tuned them to drive like F1 cars! Quick and JJ> nimble! NOT Indycars then! B-) Cheers! --- * RM 1.3 U0414 * I'm FLYING I'm FLYING! >>THUD<<

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>Subject: ***brakes on indycar 2 >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 12:27:46 GMT >ok...i'm open to the suggestion that it is me that is crap, but when >using indy2 i find that the braking distances that i need to use are >far greater than the AI cars seem to use. for instance trying to >brake for the 2 chicanes on the backside of the australian >track is a nightmare (and when the distance markers >disapear....forget it) I know that the amount of downforce in >the real indycars have been reduced, has the AI taken this >into account. Currently i use a joystick, but might have to >think about a wheel of somekind. >Also anyone tried using the F193 and 95 zip files from the >pits?...i cant get close to them on 100%...nice to look at but too >***y quick in the road courses, for me at least. >I never had all this hassle with indy 1...Any advice would be >appreciated.....and yes i probably am crap:) >-- billy w

Some braking tips: Yes, earlier braking is often needed. What I do (I'm a T1 user) is put the brake to the floor and quickly release it halfway -- this will help you get into the corner. You can steer real well with the brake pedal only halfway down. Also, you might want to try adjusting your brake bias. Move it to the left to increase steering ability under braking. (This might make you too loose, though.) -Josh Beaulieu

: Don't know if this is true in EVERY case; I find that (with a joystick, 100% : opponents) I can wait MUCH deeper into many corners than the AI cars before : braking. This is true. The AI brake much worse than in ICR1. : It's definitely a SKILL. I wouldn't say that. It's quite easy to outbrake the AI. Not as easy as World Circuit, but far easier than ICR1. At least in ICR1 they would make a counter move (ie blocking) or use less brake themselves if you tried. They just don't seem to do that in ICR2. At least not at Toronto where I can outbrake them from 50ft back, easy.

>ok...i'm open to the suggestion that it is me that is crap, but when >using indy2 i find that the braking distances that i need to use are >far greater than the AI cars seem to use. for instance trying to >brake for the 2 chicanes on the backside of the australian >track is a nightmare (and when the distance markers I also find the fact that the AI cars seem to follow the corner exactly where as I take a line straight through the centre of both corners (the back chicane at Australia). It just seems a little odd that the AI cars can throw these amazing left right left combos at the same speed as I go straight through. If I try to emulate the AI cars I will hit the wall. Why cant the drive on the grass straight through this corner??? Grant. -- PHONE +61 7 3247 4968 / * FAX +61 7 3247 5033 \_,-._/ Brisbane,Queensland,Australia. (DOS one day, 95 the next)!

Not only would I like to have the BRAKES that the AI cars have, I'd also like to have the ability to spin myself around and get headed in the right direction as fast as the AI cars! There again, that wouldn't be a problem if i would stay on course, huh?!?! I guess I must be ***too - billy's ***one, I'm *** "two"!

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> Yes, earlier braking is often needed. What I do (I'm a T1 user) is put the >brake to the floor and quickly release it halfway -- this will help you get >into the corner. You can steer real well with the brake pedal only halfway >down. Also, you might want to try adjusting your brake bias. Move it to the >left to increase steering ability under braking. (This might make you too >loose, though.) >-Josh Beaulieu

It is however, not a good idea to brake while cornering. You should always try to be at the cornering speed before entering the corner and as soon as you pass the apex you should accelerate again. Braking while cornering makes the car unsteady and control is often made difficult. -- PHONE +61 7 3247 4968 / * FAX +61 7 3247 5033 \_,-._/ Brisbane,Queensland,Australia. (DOS one day, NT the next)!