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Joystick question

7 posts by 7 people · 06 Feb 1996 - 13 Feb 1996

I've been playing NASCAR for a week now, and I would like to know if my joystick is behaving properly. I'm using a Gravis gamepad, which has a small joystick and 4 buttons. When I make a turn, I believe the simulator always uses a full turn to the stops on the wheel when I push the joystick one way or the other. This makes for tire squeal every time I turn, and very erratic driving compared to the other cars. I guess what I am trying to say is, there is no way to make a gradual turn; its either all or nothing. Now, is this just a function of my gamepad, or do all joystick behave this way? Or is something set up wrong? I've already tried playing with the wheel lock and even at the lowest setting, I get wheel squeal every time. Thanks for any help. Chris
Hi Chris. Although I have no experience with the Gravis Gamepad, any joystick should allow you to the wheels gradually (I could be wrong). I have been playing NASCAR for about 7 months now and I use a Gravis analog joystick. It took me a long time before I mastered the joystick with the game. I have my controls set up so that the accelarator is forward on joystick, reverse is backward on stick, steering left and right on stick, and brakes are the fire button (trigger) on stick. I find this is the most "natural" feeling setup without using a wheel. However, since all the control movements are linked together, it takes a long time for me to learn how to drive a new track. Now, assuming the gamepad you are using acts as a "normal" joystick, you may want to reduce the wheel lock under suspension in the garage menu. I usually run between 5 to ten degrees of wheel lock depending on the track. The only time low wheel lock is a problem is when you are trying to get turned around after a spin. Another factor that may be affecting your playing of the game is the size of the joystick you are using. You mentioned that the one on your gamepad is small. I find that on my larger joystick that only very little control movement is needed. Now since yours is small, the affect of a small movement may be amplified considerably by the short stick (smaller lever arm). Also, the car setup you are using has a drastic affect on the ability to get around a turn without squeeling tires. If you are using the ACE setup supplied with the game you probably won't be able to carry much speed through the turns without squeeling your tires. I find the ACE setups are way too tight for my tastes. (I prefer a loose setup so I can get the rear end turned around with a short stab of the accelarator). If you haven't already, try a few of the setups available on the web. This will usually give you a feel of what you are shooting for when setting up your own car. The best thing to do is practice, practice, practice. It took me way more than a week before I could really drive well on a given track. I still have "mastered" only a handfull of tracks after seven months. (My wife is not appreciative of the time and effort involved in playing this sim). I guess this didn't answer your question about the gamepad but I hope it helps. Good Luck! Patrick Murphy
Rick Ellio 07 Feb 1996#312263
Quoted text (7 lines)>Now, is this just a function of my gamepad, or do all joystick behave this >way? Or is something set up wrong? I've already tried playing with the >wheel lock and even at the lowest setting, I get wheel squeal every time. >Thanks for any help. >Chris
I think its your gamepad Chris, a normal joystick will not do that. Have fun Rick
RickGent 07 Feb 1996#312264
>Now, is this just a function of my gamepad, or do all joystick behave this >way? I believe the Gravis Gamepad is a digital control pad (the axes are either full on or full off) and thus, though it is detected as a joystick, does not give you analog control of the steering. An analog joystick gives you fine control over the steering. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Papyrus Design Group, Inc.
WILLIAM SMI 08 Feb 1996#312325
-> I've been playing NASCAR for a week now, and I would like to know if -> my joystick is behaving properly. I'm using a Gravis gamepad, which -> has a small joystick and 4 buttons. When I make a turn, I believe -> the simulator always uses a full turn to the stops on the wheel when -> I push the joystick one way or the other. This makes for tire squeal -> every time I turn, and very erratic driving compared to the other -> cars. I guess what I am trying to say is, there is no way to make a -> gradual turn; its either all or nothing. -> Now, is this just a function of my gamepad, or do all joystick behave -> this way? Or is something set up wrong? I've already tried playing -> with the wheel lock and even at the lowest setting, I get wheel -> squeal every time. You are trying to play the game with a digital control device (ie either you are turning full or not turning). Get an analog control device. If you have money, try the Thrustmaster2 or the TSW?(which is $300). If you don't have money, just get an analog Gravis joystick.....I can still put up a 131.008MPH at Bristol with this joystick.
Todd Walker 08 Feb 1996#312326
Quoted text (14 lines)>Subject: Joystick question >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:06:22 -0500 >I've been playing NASCAR for a week now, and I would like to know if my >joystick is behaving properly. I'm using a Gravis gamepad, which has a small >joystick and 4 buttons. When I make a turn, I believe the simulator always >uses a full turn to the stops on the wheel when I push the joystick one way >or the other. This makes for tire squeal every time I turn, and very erratic >driving compared to the other cars. I guess what I am trying to say is, >there is no way to make a gradual turn; its either all or nothing. >Now, is this just a function of my gamepad, or do all joystick behave this >way? Or is something set up wrong? I've already tried playing with the >wheel lock and even at the lowest setting, I get wheel squeal every time. >Thanks for any help. >Chris
Chris, With the Gravis Gamepad, there is no way to turn gradually because it is a digital joystick. What that means is that rather than having a gradual progression in each direction, like an analog stick (flight stick, etc.), the joystick is either on or off in that direction. To get the control you are looking for, you will have to purchase an analog stick that gives a gradual movement in each direction, such as a Logitech Wingman, Microsoft Sidewinder, CH Flightstick, Thrustmaster, or any other joystick that is analog. Todd Walker
Neil Yeatma 13 Feb 1996#312608
Quoted text (12 lines)> >Now, is this just a function of my gamepad, or do all joystick behave > this > >way? > I believe the Gravis Gamepad is a digital control pad (the axes are either > full on or full off) and thus, though it is detected as a joystick, does > not give you analog control of the steering. An analog joystick gives you > fine control over the steering. > Rick Genter > Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II > Papyrus Design Group, Inc.
Rick is absolutely correct...with a Gamepad, all directional input is full ON or full OFF. An analog joystick is a must with the game, although every once in a while I try to run a few laps on Laguna with the gamepad. The spinouts can go on forever! :) -- Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA Live music is better; bumper stickers should be issued! Neil Young - Union Man, from Hawks and Doves, 1980

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