To quote:
"According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic
rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics.
Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not
the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005
are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics
are equally as good when comparing the two franchises."
Couldn't agree more.
http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/
Negative RBR demo review rewritten after criticism
cronik posted a review claiming the RBR demo was less realistic than Colin McRae Rally. Members mocked the reviewer's evident gamepad use and ignorance of setups, and soon noticed the review had been completely rewritten to praise the game. cronik admitted he was trolling, and a side conversation covered cycling to work.
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cronik wrote:
LOL!!!!!
I think this sentence sums it up:
"The steering tends to oversteer when you first tap left or right"
"Tap" left or right......?
Now I've never played the full release or the demo, but how can you
comment on the realism of car handling in -any- game / sim* (*delete as
appropriate) when playing with a joypad?
Renders the opinion invalid IMO.
Regards,
Mark
at v8thunder dot com
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> To quote: > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > > Couldn't agree more. > > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/cronik wrote:
Well for one, the guy reviews the demo, not the game.
But his main complaint regarding the physics seems to be that the cars
understeer when he brakes while steering, and that IMO shows that he
isn't really knowledgeable about racing cars or racing sims.
Because one single look into the garage settings would have told him
that perhaps the brake balance is set too much to the front, and that
all he needs to do to cure his main gripe is to reduce the maximum front
braking force from the original value (I think it's 6000 in the game) to
something like 4500, and the car's behaviour under braking changes
drastically.
Please get me right, I'm not saying RBR's physics are super-duper, but
basing such criticism on the gripe he bases it on is simply ignorant, as
it's purely a matter of car setup.
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> To quote: > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > > Couldn't agree more. > > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/LMAO...
Someone shootheto guy....no the one who did the review. I'm sure that guy
ride a bicycle to work...
EL
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> To quote: > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > > Couldn't agree more. > > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/"EL" wrote...
> LMAO...
>
> Someone shootheto guy....no the one who did the review. I'm
> sure that guy ride a bicycle to work...
Ok, now I'm offended. While I enjoy RBR, I do ride a bicycle to work (which
sane person would bother using a car to travel 3.56km?).
Jan.
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> Sorry Jan,
>
> I should of said maybe he never drove a car
> on gravel.
Only joking, El.... I know what you mean.
Jan.
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Yeah, he may not know a cars can be set up, maybe even didn't notice the
cars setup.
Raise the front diff torque and 50% of understeer is gone.
It sure oversteer exiting corner if you slam the throttle...
EL
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> cronik wrote: > > To quote: > > > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. > > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not > > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 > > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics > > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > > > > Couldn't agree more. > > > > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/ > Well for one, the guy reviews the demo, not the game. > > But his main complaint regarding the physics seems to be that the cars > understeer when he brakes while steering, and that IMO shows that he > isn't really knowledgeable about racing cars or racing sims. > > Because one single look into the garage settings would have told him > that perhaps the brake balance is set too much to the front, and that > all he needs to do to cure his main gripe is to reduce the maximum front > braking force from the original value (I think it's 6000 in the game) to > something like 4500, and the car's behaviour under braking changes > drastically. > > Please get me right, I'm not saying RBR's physics are super-duper, but > basing such criticism on the gripe he bases it on is simply ignorant, as > it's purely a matter of car setup. > > -- > Achim > http://users.skynet.be/AchimTSorry Jan,
I should of said maybe he never drove a car on gravel.
EL
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(which
> sane person would bother using a car to travel 3.56km?).
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
>
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> "EL" wrote... > > LMAO... > > > > Someone shootheto guy....no the one who did the review. I'm > > sure that guy ride a bicycle to work... > > > Ok, now I'm offended. While I enjoy RBR, I do ride a bicycle to work
> Couldn't agree more.
>
> http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/
This is a joke right? This guy reviewing RBR demo seems to have been too
busy giving lip service to the boys at Codemasters to give an honest review.
Get some skills.
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (cronik) wrote:
i especially like:
"The car handling is just not as realistic... The cars don't seem to want to
turn when you are braking at the same time."
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>To quote: > >"According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic >rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. >Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not >the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 >are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics >are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > >Couldn't agree more. > >http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/Maybe Richard Manley (the author) should have the bits of RBR that he's
missing, explained to him.
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> To quote:
>
> "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic
> rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics.
> Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not
> the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005
> are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics
> are equally as good when comparing the two franchises."
>
> Couldn't agree more.
>
> http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/
I hate to burst your bubble but Codemaster admit their game is not as realistic as RBR.
Nice try at winding people up though.
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Steve
"Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense."
cronik wrote:
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> To quote: > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > > Couldn't agree more. > > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/This is Cronk after all.
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> I hate to burst your bubble but Codemaster admit their game is not as
realistic as RBR.
>
> Nice try at winding people up though.
>
> _____
>
> Steve
>
> "Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense."
>
>
>
>
> cronik wrote:
> > To quote:
> >
> > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic
> > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics.
> > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not
> > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005
> > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics
> > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises."
> >
> > Couldn't agree more.
> >
> > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/
Yes, NOW the review is decent. Its been changed.
"According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic
rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. This
may well be the case if this demo is anything to go by. The learning
curve is a little steep coming off the Colin Mcrae series, which is
substantially easier and less realistic, but that's what makes this sim
so great!"
cronik wrote:
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> To quote: > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > > Couldn't agree more. > > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/
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Okay... this is freaking unbelievable!! The review has been changed
*totally*! Did this guy Richard Manley ever play the demo, or what???
Cheers, Hans
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> Yes, NOW the review is decent. Its been changed. > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. This > may well be the case if this demo is anything to go by. The learning > curve is a little steep coming off the Colin Mcrae series, which is > substantially easier and less realistic, but that's what makes this sim > so great!"
"Hans de Heer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Okay... this is freaking unbelievable!! The review has been changed
> *totally*! Did this guy Richard Manley ever play the demo, or what???
This quote's hilarious:
"Highly recommended if you're a rally fan! Immensely fun if you have a
steering wheel and pedal set. This is probably the first rally sim to date
in which a wheel is actually useable, and probably superior to keyboard."
A racing sim where a wheel is probably superior to keyboard.... would you
believe it!!! :))) What kind of an idiot is this???
Cheers, Hans
The differences in the article are hillarious!!! The reviewer must have a
had a hell of a kick up the backside for writing this. I wish I had a copy
of the orginal somewhere to fully quote.
In the original, he wrote:
"The car handling is just not as realistic... The cars don't seem to want to
turn when you are braking at the same time."
Now he writes:
"Also the brakes feel like they don't slow you down fast enough, and the
gravel track in the demo is a tad too slippery. But that could just be me,
as I'm used to the more arcade-like car handling in the Colin Mcrae series."
heheheh.. He was forced to admit that he's used to acade like driving.
Good stuff folks for those that complained!!!
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> To quote: > > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics. > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005 > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises." > > Couldn't agree more. > > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/
Andi Cole wrote:
> That's astonishing! I only read the old one a few hours ago and was actually
> preparing a response. Damn I wish I had a copy of his original. Strange it
> still only get's 60%.
>
> So Cronk, what do you say now?
Ok got it, here's what the reviewer wrote originally:
"A fun demo, but unfortunately the game doesn't live up to the hype the
publisher created.
According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic
rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics.
Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not
the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005
are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics
are equally as good when comparing the two franchises.
So, what's wrong with Richard Burns Rally? The car handling is just not
as realistic as I had hoped. In fact, it doesn't really come close. Four
wheel drive turbo vehicles (especially Million-dollar WRC cars) have
some of the best handling of any race car. Yet in this demo, the cars
handled more like old station wagons. The cars don't seem to want to
turn when you are braking at the same time.
The steering tends to oversteer when you first tap left or right, and
then understeer once you actually start to turn. This makes it very
difficult to accurately bring the tail out and slide around corners as
you will usually oversteer. It also doesn't help when you are trying to
correct a slide, as you have to then fight the understeer.
Recommended if you're a rally fan, and good fun for a quick thrash
around the tracks in this demo, but unless they make changes to the
driving model I wouldn't recommend purchasing the game based on this
demo alone.
Demo review by Richard Manley."
That's astonishing! I only read the old one a few hours ago and was actually
preparing a response. Damn I wish I had a copy of his original. Strange it
still only get's 60%.
So Cronk, what do you say now?
Andi.
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> The differences in the article are hillarious!!! The reviewer must have a
> had a hell of a kick up the backside for writing this. I wish I had a copy
> of the orginal somewhere to fully quote.
>
> In the original, he wrote:
> "The car handling is just not as realistic... The cars don't seem to want
to
> turn when you are braking at the same time."
>
> Now he writes:
>
> "Also the brakes feel like they don't slow you down fast enough, and the
> gravel track in the demo is a tad too slippery. But that could just be me,
> as I'm used to the more arcade-like car handling in the Colin Mcrae
series."
>
> heheheh.. He was forced to admit that he's used to acade like driving.
>
> Good stuff folks for those that complained!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "cronik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > To quote:
> >
> > "According to the publisher, Richard Burns Rally is the most realistic
> > rally sim to date in terms of car handling, physics, and graphics.
> > Unfortunately, after playing this demo, I must report that this is not
> > the case at all. Colin Mcrae Rally 2004 or the recently released 2005
> > are both superior in terms of handling and physics, while the graphics
> > are equally as good when comparing the two franchises."
> >
> > Couldn't agree more.
> >
> > http://www.pcgameworld.com/details.php/id/5530/
>
>
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:16:11 GMT, Jan Verschueren wrote:
me too Jan! You know, somebody has to save the planet, it's got to be
us if it's not them.
I do a healthy 12km to work and back total every day on my bicycles
(with a 20min. train ride in between), and there simply is no better way to
get to work and back then cycling (if you have the right
clothing). I've tried it all, car, Honda CX500, but the bike / train /
bike combo rules. You arrive fresh, in good shape and thoroughly woken
up, even after a rough night out with the lads. People should try it
sometime.
uwe
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> "EL" wrote... >> LMAO... >> >> Someone shootheto guy....no the one who did the review. I'm >> sure that guy ride a bicycle to work... > > > Ok, now I'm offended. While I enjoy RBR, I do ride a bicycle to work (which > sane person would bother using a car to travel 3.56km?).>"cronik" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Couldn't agree more.
I have to say, it's been a while since our last pure troll in this NG.
Thanks.
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> Andi Cole wrote:
> > That's astonishing! I only read the old one a few hours ago and was actually
> > preparing a response. Damn I wish I had a copy of his original. Strange it
> > still only get's 60%.
> >
> > So Cronk, what do you say now?
Haha yea it's quite funny the guy has completely changed his opinion
now.
I didn't really agree with his original comments especially with
regard to CMR's physics being superior, I was just trying to wind you
guys up. :P
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> I do a healthy 12km to work and back total every day on my bicycles > (with a 20min. train ride in between), and there simply is no better way > to > get to work and back then cycling (if you have the right > clothing). I've tried it all, car, Honda CX500, but the bike / train / > bike combo rules. You arrive fresh, in good shape and thoroughly woken > up, even after a rough night out with the lads. People should try it > sometime.>"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Because one single look into the garage settings would have told him that
> perhaps the brake balance is set too much to the front,
I doubt the original author of the review would even know what is brake
balance and how it affects handling.
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On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:59:17 +1000, Steve Simpson wrote:
> I tried it but arriving at work in Summer sticky and dripping with sweat and
> then having to spend a day in an office in that state isn't the most
> appealing of things...
spare T-Shirt / Shirt maybe? I think we even have a shower in the
office, but 4km hardly warms me up, so it's seldom necessary. Also,
most of the year it's either raining, snowing or both here, so sweat
isn't all that much of a problem ;-)
cheers uwe
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ymenard wrote:
...
>
> I doubt the original author of the review would even know what is brake
> balance and how it affects handling.
...
That could be true...
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I also cycle to school every day.. 10KM's each way. I've done 176KM in a day
and I don't own a car or even plan on getting my licence.
Mike
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