ICR2 : where's villeneuve

The subject says it all : where's Jaques ?

Michael Carver has made a #27 Villeneuve/Players car.pcx that looks good. Contact him and I'm sure he'll email you one. Also there is a copy at alt.binaries games if you seach through the older articles. Look for players.zip. Later... Sandman -------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Sanders

Gee, last I heard was that Jacques moved up to Formula One! Maybe he'll appear in Microprose GP2? -Ferdinand-

|> > The subject says it all : where's Jaques ? |> > |> |> Gee, last I heard was that Jacques moved up to Formula One! Maybe he'll |> appear in Microprose GP2? Huh? I suppose GP2 is based on the 1994 season. Jacques wasn't in there. (hint hint: editors anyone?) Is ICR2 based on the 1995 season? If so, there Papyrus must have left him out for some reason, maybe licensing problems. -- Isaac Wong (613) 763-6127 | Protel Compiler Group http://chat.carleton.ca/~iwong | Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

>The subject says it all : where's Jaques ? Great question!... Perhaps Papyrus could to tell us what about that...

I'm pretty sure it's licensing problems. I heard someone say that the name Villeneuve is already licensed to someone else. Kevin -- **************************************************************** Hartsdale, NY http://www.cloud9.net/~khuang Cloud 9 Internet ****************************************************************

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: Huh? I suppose GP2 is based on the 1994 season. Jacques wasn't in there. : (hint hint: editors anyone?) Is ICR2 based on the 1995 season? If so, : there Papyrus must have left him out for some reason, maybe licensing : problems. Villeneuve was sponsored by a tobacco company. Therefore Papyrus couldn't have a fully licenced Players Ltd. car. So I guess they chose to take him out entirely, instead of putting the car in and plastering Team Green instead of Players. Just like they did with Penske (and Rhal for that matter)... But i'm not surprised. They did the same thing with ICR1, they didn't put Newman-Haas in for some reason (even though the car was onthe cover). Papyrus probally didn't want to pay for the licencing fee to be able to put the car into the game, knowing that they couldn't make the car properly anyways because they can't put Tobaco adds in a game. The one blue car (Oceon Point I believe) is fairly close to a Players Ltd, car, the driver's helmet is even patterned off of Vill's. -- JASON POTAPOFF. Edmonton, Alberta, Canada The only easy day is yesterday.

: : The subject says it all : where's Jaques ? : Who cares? Some people whould say that the game should contain Villeneuve seeing how we won the championship... It would be like having an NFL licenced football game without including the S.F. 49ers. -- JASON POTAPOFF. Edmonton, Alberta, Canada The only easy day is yesterday.

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If so, there Papyrus must have left him out for some reason, maybe licensing problems. <<< Mr. Villeneuve refused our request to license his name and likeness for IndyCar Racing II. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

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> If so, > there Papyrus must have left him out for some reason, maybe licensing > problems. > <<< > Mr. Villeneuve refused our request to license his name and likeness for > IndyCar Racing II. > Rick Genter > Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II > Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

Hmmm, strange he Plays Indycar himself on a pc i have read. But i guess there will be a crapy villeneuve racing game soon with "official licens".

writes: He was probably to busy eating cheese and drinking wine. Another example of the "Professional Sports *** Attitude" (PSAA). Mike

Another example of someone shooting off without knowing the facts.

Since you're in the know, what are they (the facts)?

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> writes: > >If so, > >there Papyrus must have left him out for some reason, maybe licensing > >problems. > ><<< > >Mr. Villeneuve refused our request to license his name and likeness > for > >IndyCar Racing II. > >Rick Genter > >Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II > >Papyrus Design Group, Inc. > He was probably to busy eating cheese and drinking wine. Another > example of the "Professional Sports *** Attitude" (PSAA). > Mike

If Mike Andretti would have change beer and burgers for wine and cheese, maybe he would have understand how to drive an F1... -- Hugo Dilhuydy, ing. Laboratoire de neuropathologie Unite interdisciplinaire du Projet IMAGE Centre hospitalier Cote-des-Neiges

^^^^^ Which are??? Inquiring minds want to know... <<< Yeah, I'd like to know too :-). Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

***Has this guy come back with some facts? Or was he just shooting off himself*** ^^^^^ >> Which are??? Inquiring minds want to know... >I happen to catch a show about racing (on ESPN, I believe) during the >season and they were talking about the increase in popularity of both >Indycar and Nascar, and also about racing mechandise (posters, model cars, >etc). As an aside, the person doing the show said that you couldn't get >anything with Villeneuve or his car on it because Players/Villeneuve >refused to license anything dealing with the team. Since this was with >other racing mechandise (which would generate more money), it stands to >reason that they would refuse the request from Papyrus. I'm not sure that

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>it is PSAA or the Bill Waterson (sp? Calvin & Hobbes) affect. >Gary. > <:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>\|/<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:> > | | USWest and I | I am not totally | > | Gary M. Smithrud | have never seen | worthless! | > | Boulder, Colorado | why would I | as a bad | > | | speak for them? | example! | > <:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>/|\<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>

My point about PSAA is this; these so called "professionals" that charge people for autographs SUCK! MOST baseball, basketball, and football players pocket the money. True, some Racers will charge you in certian situations, like when they are doing charity appearances, but the money doesn't go to them. If you went up to Jeff G, Dale E, Rusty, or any other NASCAR driver at the track (if you can get to them) and asked for their autograph, they would probably sign whatever you held out (within reason). But ask someone in baseball or basketball or some other highlight sports, and you'd have to give them cash!! BS! Now, as for "Mr. Villeneuve" and his team as well as other drivers/teams, I would think they could, if nothing else, gain some popularity and fans by letting Papyrus or whoever use their name and likeness in a game. It cost nothing for them to say "yes". It's also FREE advertizment for their sponsors! Oops...My soapbox just broke. I'm done. Mike

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> > >>Mr. Villeneuve refused our request to license his name and likeness > > >for > > >>IndyCar Racing II. > > >>Rick Genter > > >He was probably to busy eating cheese and drinking wine. Another > > >example of the "Professional Sports *** Attitude" (PSAA). > > >Mike > > Another example of someone shooting off without knowing the facts. > ^^^^^ > Which are??? Inquiring minds want to know...

I happen to catch a show about racing (on ESPN, I believe) during the season and they were talking about the increase in popularity of both Indycar and Nascar, and also about racing mechandise (posters, model cars, etc). As an aside, the person doing the show said that you couldn't get anything with Villeneuve or his car on it because Players/Villeneuve refused to license anything dealing with the team. Since this was with other racing mechandise (which would generate more money), it stands to reason that they would refuse the request from Papyrus. I'm not sure that it is PSAA or the Bill Waterson (sp? Calvin & Hobbes) affect. Gary. <:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>\|/<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:> | | USWest and I | I am not totally | | Gary M. Smithrud | have never seen | worthless! | | Boulder, Colorado | why would I | as a bad | | | speak for them? | example! | <:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>/|\<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>

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>: >> > >He was probably to busy eating cheese and drinking wine. Another >: >> > >example of the "Professional Sports *** Attitude" (PSAA). >So if someone allows their "likeness" to be used they are money-hungry >bastards, and if they refuse (and hence refuse the $$), they are stuck-up >***s. Gee, hard to please or what? >I suspect Villeneuve's situation is complicated by his father's estate. >THere was a local musician here that used the stage name Mike Sinatra. >Small time guy really. Anyway, he gat a call from Frank's lawyers! >I say give JV a break until someone can explain WHY he declined. >GB

this was my point in my earlier post. And this is exactly what I understand the situation to be when I commented on the first post a couple of weeks ago. I believe the name is TM etc. by the estate - done to protect Gilles interests. However, this has the effect of preventing Jacques from using the name on goods as well ! This was substantial discussion of this point earlier in the Indy season because at the races themselves, one could not buy any Players stuff with Jacque on it (tshirts etc.) I am sure I will be corrected if wrong - but i thought this had clearly been stated many times before. Some people will never be happy though.

: >> > > : >> > >He was probably to busy eating cheese and drinking wine. Another : >> > >example of the "Professional Sports *** Attitude" (PSAA). : >> > > So if someone allows their "likeness" to be used they are money-hungry bastards, and if they refuse (and hence refuse the $$), they are stuck-up ***s. Gee, hard to please or what? I suspect Villeneuve's situation is complicated by his father's estate. THere was a local musician here that used the stage name Mike Sinatra. Small time guy really. Anyway, he gat a call from Frank's lawyers! I say give JV a break until someone can explain WHY he declined. GB

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> : >> > > > : >> > >He was probably to busy eating cheese and drinking wine. Another > : >> > >example of the "Professional Sports *** Attitude" (PSAA). > : >> > > > So if someone allows their "likeness" to be used they are money-hungry > bastards, and if they refuse (and hence refuse the $$), they are stuck-up > ***s. Gee, hard to please or what? > I suspect Villeneuve's situation is complicated by his father's estate. > THere was a local musician here that used the stage name Mike Sinatra. > Small time guy really. Anyway, he gat a call from Frank's lawyers! > I say give JV a break until someone can explain WHY he declined. > GB

Well excuse me, but I think the guy that won IndyCar this year was Jacques Villeneuve, NOT Gilles...what can be the problem from a legalities standpoint? I think in reality Jacques saw Indycar as his apprenticeship for F1, and doesn't want his name associated with what he problably considers an inferior series. I think he wanted to follow in his father's footsteps from day one, and has had his heart set on F1 his whole life. He didn't seem to want his likeness associated with Player's, either. We'll have to wait and see if there's a Williams/Renault/Villeneuve marketing machine waiting to fire up their engines... Neil -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *