Is it TOO REAL ???!!!

I am speaking about Nascar, ICR, ICR2. First I must say that I love everything that Papyras has produced so far. There are some bugs in ICR2, but I can live with them. The games offer realism and excitment, and I will be a fan for ever. Now, we are computer players, right ? Well, why should we have to wait for the yellow flags ?. There should be some kind of automatic pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or something. I want to race realistically, this means with yellow flags, but I don't think it is fun to sit there for 3 to 5 minutes while I circulate the track at 70mph or so trying not to take people out with my frustration. What do you all think about this ? Please post it here, so that the people in charge of the sims can see the feedback. This feature should be switchable, so that the realism fans will not complain. Oliver

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>I am speaking about Nascar, ICR, ICR2. First I must say that I love >everything that Papyras has produced so far. There are some bugs in >ICR2, but I can live with them. The games offer realism and >excitment, and I will be a fan for ever. >Now, we are computer players, right ? Well, why should we have to >wait for the yellow flags ?. There should be some kind of automatic >pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or >something. I want to race realistically, this means with yellow

Pausing during a Caution works well for me :) But hey, NASCAR drivers really drink when they drive, with those tubes and all! So... I just leave my A&W Root Beer mug handy when I race my A&W Root Beer Ford Thunderbird! grin! hmmm, sounds like a neat feature for those that want to use it. Personally, I'd leave it "off"... Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://innet.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.html <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

Rick, I like the realism of the yellows on, but would be highly in favor of a way to accelarate the yellows after the pit stops. This could be togled on for when one is in the mood to drive 70 off of when your in a hurry to go green. The ideal thing would be to accelarte to the one lap to green sign. Thanks, Gerald Hetrick

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>Now, we are computer players, right ? Well, why should we have to >wait for the yellow flags ?. There should be some kind of automatic >pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or >something. I want to race realistically, this means with yellow >flags, but I don't think it is fun to sit there for 3 to 5 minutes >while I circulate the track at 70mph or so trying not to take people >out with my frustration.

I'm sure that the real NASCAR drivers go through some of the same emotions, and I find it adds to the flavor of the game, myself. That said, an "accelerate" key that gets you to the "One lap until green" message would be a nice feature when you're on a limited time budget. I spent two hours one night trying to finish a 30% race at Talladega where there were more caution laps than green flag laps and I would have probably used the feature in that case. Dave

There should be some kind of automatic pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or something. <<< Hit P and pause the game. I want to race realistically, this means with yellow flags, but I don't think it is fun to sit there for 3 to 5 minutes while I circulate the track at 70mph or so trying not to take people out with my frustration. <<< Part of the "game" is handling the restart. This feature should be switchable, so that the realism fans will not complain. <<< We've thought about this, but we haven't had very many requests for it. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

I fully agree with you. Waiting 3 or 4 laps to start racing again after a yellow flag is rediculous. A switch sounds good. Ed

>There should be some kind of automatic >pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or >something. ><<< >Hit P and pause the game. THIS ONE DID NOT WORK IN MODEM PLAY. PLEASE MAKE A FIX FOR IT!

: Now, we are computer players, right ? Well, why should we have to : wait for the yellow flags ?. There should be some kind of automatic : pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or : something. I want to race realistically, this means with yellow : flags, but I don't think it is fun to sit there for 3 to 5 minutes : while I circulate the track at 70mph or so trying not to take people : out with my frustration. Great Idea!

>I'm just a dumb F1 fan and don't know much about all this Indy and NASCAR >racing. I understand this yellow flag business but I don't know what the >goot >tactics behind it are? Is it a good/bad idea to pit when you're on a >yellow? >When are "good" times to pit? Think about it this way: Would you rather lose ground at yellow flag speeds or green flag speeds. On an oval track, you'll probably be lapped at least once if you pit during green flag racing. Under yellow, you can usually stay on the same lap, though you'll end up at the back of the pack. Sometimes, you can't avoid green flag stops, but I usually try to stretch it until the leaders have all come in. You don't want to get lapped on a green flag stop, then have a yellow flag come out and give the leaders an opportunity to pit under yellow. You should nearly always pit as early as possible on a yellow, since the first one out of the pits leads all of the pitted cars in the caution line. If everyone pits, and you're the first out, you'll end up leading the entire caution line! The exception to this rule is that you might want to delay pitting if you think it will allow you to stretch your fuel to the end of the race. I've never been close enough to try this strategy, and there's always the risk of having to head in for a pit stop when the "One Lap Until Green" comes out. Dave

>What do you all think about this ? Please post it here, so that the >people in charge of the sims can see the feedback. This feature >should be switchable, so that the realism fans will not complain. It is a good idea and a much needed option. I'm just a dumb F1 fan and don't know much about all this Indy and NASCAR racing. I understand this yellow flag business but I don't know what the goot tactics behind it are? Is it a good/bad idea to pit when you're on a yellow? When are "good" times to pit? Thanks, Jamie ============================================================================== Oracle Park Oracle Office: joshaugh.uk Bittams Lane, Guildford Road Phone : (44) 01932 872020 ext 2298 Chertsey, Surrey, KT16 9RG Fax : (44) 01932 873273 ============================================================================== The opinions expressed here are my own and do not in any way represent Oracle or its policies.

Why stop with just a caution lap accelerator? We could save time running the race with a button that would have the computer drive our car and win every time. For the humor impaired, this is a JOKE!!! Greg "Kid" Curless http://www.mtsu.edu/~gcurless IGN - #27 Excel Telecom Chevy

> I'm just a dumb F1 fan and don't know much about all this Indy and NASCAR > racing. I understand this yellow flag business but I don't know what the go > tactics behind it are? Is it a good/bad idea to pit when you're on a yellow > When are "good" times to pit? > > Thanks, > Jamie > Generally Yellows are the best time to pit, because under yellow the cars on the track are only running at about 90 to 100 mph. Green flags speeds can be much higher. Therefore you lose much less track posisition by pitting under yellow, and since you can bunch up before the restart, you may actually gain some on the leaders. DAve Henrie * JABBER v1.1 * "Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor not a Do...er, I'll get right on it." -- | Fidonet: Dave Henrie 1:346/25 | Fido -> Internet/Usenet via Net 346 Services

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>I am speaking about Nascar, ICR, ICR2. First I must say that I love >everything that Papyras has produced so far. There are some bugs in >ICR2, but I can live with them. The games offer realism and >excitment, and I will be a fan for ever. >Now, we are computer players, right ? Well, why should we have to >wait for the yellow flags ?. There should be some kind of automatic >pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or >something. I want to race realistically, this means with yellow >flags, but I don't think it is fun to sit there for 3 to 5 minutes >while I circulate the track at 70mph or so trying not to take people >out with my frustration. >What do you all think about this ? Please post it here, so that the >people in charge of the sims can see the feedback. This feature >should be switchable, so that the realism fans will not complain. >Oliver

You have confused me Oliver. In one breath you have praised Papyrus for the realism of their simulations and in the next you want an 'arcade game feature' incorporated. If you do not like the yellow flag periods then do your very best not to cause them. :-) I think Papryus should concentrate first on eliminating the bugs that are being reported in this forum. What were their beta testers doing all this time? I would like to apply for the job for the next product. Craig. ****************************************************************************** Canberra, Australia IWCC3 Marker Bindings #2 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports IGN4 QANTAS Airways #75 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports ******************************************************************************

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>>>Now, we are computer players, right ? Well, why should we have to >>>wait for the yellow flags ?. There should be some kind of automatic >>>pilot for the yellows. What a perfect time to get a drink or >>>something. I want to race realistically, this means with yellow >>>flags, but I don't think it is fun to sit there for 3 to 5 minutes >>>while I circulate the track at 70mph or so trying not to take people >>>out with my frustration. >>>What do you all think about this ? Please post it here, so that the >>>people in charge of the sims can see the feedback. This feature >>>should be switchable, so that the realism fans will not complain. > Well, it IS switchable, and there is yet another workaround:wanna

get rid of the >yellow flags wasting of time? Easy: get out of the race, save the game, and get back in. Well, so much for the gamers quest for realism !!