Please stop posting cars.pcx

>I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would >stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it >is a newsgroup for messages. >Thank you, >Mike Then someone should create " rec.autos.simulators.binaries " until then this is the best place to post them considering the subject matter and that the other binary groups (alt.binaries.games & alt.binaries.misc) have too much traffic to look for .pcx files and car sets. I personally do not know how to go about creating a new newsgroup but I'm sure someone does. I'f they (.pcx) continue to be posted here then maybe someone, that does not want them here, will create a new newsgroup with the appropriate subject matter. I am fairly new to the net and I know how particular us users can be, but this is the best place to post them for now and its not that big of a deal. This is my honest opionion on this matter. Thank You ******* #28 ***** #7 ***** #51 ***** #70 ******* Dave Long Memphis TN

>I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would >stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it >is a newsgroup for messages. >Thank you, >Mike I would also like to suggest that people take their political B.S. (Speed limits, Joe Blow for Pres...) somewhere else. Read the newsgroup heading, REC.AUTOS.SIMULATORS. Hello???? Mike (also)

I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it is a newsgroup for messages. Thank you, Mike

>I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would >stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it >is a newsgroup for messages. >Thank you, >Mike Until we have a rec.autos.simulators.binaires (which is unlikely due to the SMALL number of .pcx's that get posted anyway) newsgroup, I think that people should continue to keep posting their pcx files here..it's nice for those of us who like a little variety in nascar, but are to lazy or aren't artistic enough to make them ourselves. Besides..no one FORCES you to read them, do they? Does someone clamp your head in front of the monitor and keep you tied up with your eyelids glued open? I doubt it...just don't select the message when you read others. Very simple, Very easy. If the few amount of binaries that actually appear here DO get in the way, you need a new newsreader program. If you don;t like them because you simply select ALL the articles EVERY time, then that's your own fault.

>I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would >stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it >is a newsgroup for messages. >Thank you, >Mike Always in idiot in every crowd... hey, what's wrong with a few SMALL pcx files for NASCAR Racing?? If you don't like em', don't download em'... Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://innet.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.html <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

with: I wouldn't call him an idiot. He has a valid point. Admittedly, while the .PCX files are small, some people don't have the luxury of Free Agent or NXpress that lets them pick and choose which articles they can download or read. I'd have to say the real idiots are those who can't see beyond their own terminals and consider what 'Net life is like for other people. Granted, the .PCXs have more of a place than these incredibly stupid and inane posts about whose car is a bigger phallic symbol than someone else's. -- Tony Johns

>Always in idiot in every crowd... Excuse me, I dont think that was called for. I post a simple message asking not to post pcx files here because this newsgroup is not a binaries, now you got to jump in a start name calling. I believe if you reread this line you are referring to yourself. >hey, what's wrong with a few SMALL pcx files for NASCAR Racing?? If >you don't like em', don't download em'... >Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!! >NASCAR Racing!! >http://innet.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.html <--NASCAR Racing Sim page The problem is, it is becoming more than just a few. Pretty soon thats all will be on here, then all of us who dont want them will have to sit and waste our timing weeding thru them. This newsgroup is for messages. Someone needs to create a binaries group for these pcx files or goto to the one that is already created for pc games. Some of us download all messages automatically, makes things easier. If you want to flame me go ahead. I will not be part of this childish game. Use some commonsense. Thanks, Mike

: Until we have a rec.autos.simulators.binaires (which is unlikely due to : the SMALL number of .pcx's that get posted anyway) newsgroup, I think that : people should continue to keep posting their pcx files here..it's nice : for those of us who like a little variety in nascar, but are to lazy or : aren't artistic enough to make them ourselves. : Besides..no one FORCES you to read them, do they? Does someone clamp your : head in front of the monitor and keep you tied up with your eyelids glued : open? I doubt it...just don't select the message when you read others. : Very simple, Very easy. : If the few amount of binaries that actually appear here DO get in the : way, you need a new newsreader program. If you don;t like them because : you simply select ALL the articles EVERY time, then that's your own fault. The problem is that some are FORCED to spend the time(=$$) for thier newsreaders to download all the articles first before they have a chance to weed them out. I personally don't have that problem (eithernet all the way and I suppose you too at UMN) but the poor folks at AOL, COMPUSERVE, etc... gotta deal with the measly 14.4 or 28.8 modems. If I'm wrong let me know, but I believe that's how a majority have to read these things. Matt

>it >is a newsgroup for messages. Totally agreed. How many others are annoyed by this?

Matt, FWIW, those using Prodigy & Compuserve are _not_ required to download all articles from the newsgroup; they have the ability to "browse" and select which posts they wish to read. My $.02 . . . Personally I enjoy seeing various pcx's and until such time as a rec.autos.simulation.binaries group is created I would like to see them here. If anyone is being forced to download all posts, well . . . maybe they ought to find a different provider ; ) I mean, lets be honest, the majority of whats posted to the so-called "newsgroups" can't be classified as "news" anyway. I think we all have to accept the fact that we are going to get a lot of "chaff" with the "wheat." I, personally, think this whole "what type post belongs here, and what doesn't" is getting a little too "PC" . . . if it concerns auto sims, it probably belongs here, whether its a news report, opinion, pcx, or whatever. But then that's just my opinion and probably doesn't mean "squat" ; ) regards, -Brent

>>Always in idiot in every crowd... > Excuse me, I dont think that was called for. I post a simple >message asking not to post pcx files here because this newsgroup is >not a binaries, now you got to jump in a start name calling. I >believe if you reread this line you are referring to yourself. Sorry Mike! That came out all wrong, my apologies! I didn't mean to personally call *you* an idiot... it was an expression, and, obviously, taken the wrong way.... Where I was coming from is, some people just like to "complain" for the sake of complaining.... wasn't meant to mean you, just a stereotype that I have become frustrated dealing with. Again, it wasn't meant at you directly. Question... are you stuck downloading every and all article in the newsgroup or can you pick and choose? Just wondering. Apparently, some people actually have to "read em' all" and I can see where that might be frustrating for persons in that situation. Otherwise, I can't see where we don't just pick and choose. I do agree, we could use a .binaries group. And yes, it would be nice if we had someplace to send em' for ftp purposes. However, some of these users just want to share something. Most of the .pcx files are very small, less than 400 lines I do believe. Personally, I was grateful that these people posted them. I do agree that many many posts of binaries should be discouraged, but I don't we have that many on here... --just expressing my opinion, as you are yourself. Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://innet.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.html <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

I don't know about anybody else and I would not speak for anyone else but I really get tired of people who try to tell me what I can and cannot read, look at or post. If I see something that bothers me then I just don't look at it. It is that simple. I don't waste space telling everybody what to post or what they shoule read. The last time I checked this was still America and I will read, look at, post anything I want. If anybody doesn't like it, just don't look. Short of yelling, "FIRE" in a crowded theater, that is my right. So if what you see in any newsgroup bothers you, look for the off switch on your computer, not your email switch so you can run your mouth and try to smother everybodies 1st Amendment Rights.

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>>I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would >>stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it >>is a newsgroup for messages. >>Thank you, >>Mike >Until we have a rec.autos.simulators.binaires (which is unlikely due to >the SMALL number of .pcx's that get posted anyway) newsgroup, I think that >people should continue to keep posting their pcx files here..it's nice >for those of us who like a little variety in nascar, but are to lazy or >aren't artistic enough to make them ourselves. >Besides..no one FORCES you to read them, do they? Does someone clamp your >head in front of the monitor and keep you tied up with your eyelids glued >open? I doubt it...just don't select the message when you read others. >Very simple, Very easy. >If the few amount of binaries that actually appear here DO get in the >way, you need a new newsreader program. If you don;t like them because >you simply select ALL the articles EVERY time, then that's your own fault.

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>>snip >The last time I checked this was still America and I will read, look >at, post anything I want. If anybody doesn't like it, just don't look. >Short of yelling, "FIRE" in a crowded theater, that is my right. So if >what you see in any newsgroup bothers you, look for the off switch on >your computer, not your email switch so you can run your mouth and try >to smother everybodies 1st Amendment Rights. >>snip

The amazing thing about the net is that no one owns it and nobody regulates it... except for the users themselves. Most users use common sense as to what to post or write to a given newsgroup and some are sadly lacking in that area. As to posting car.pcx files, I could give a rats' ass one way or the other. What bugs me is attitudes such as the above. To use an analogy, if a good newsgroup is like a nice drinking trough full of tastey clean water and the users are horses, then it never fails that some pig who's been joyfully wallowing his face in his on shit will eventually come along and stick his face in that water trough to slobber and drink... thus spoiling and polluting it for the majority. Yes, the swine has a God-given right to act like a pig. It wouldn't be kind of us to smother his "rights".

|> I agree with creating a seperate nesgroup for binaries but until that |> is done this is where they belong. for those of you who don't think |> they do, does a post about rl spd limits belong on a simulator newsgrp? So two wrongs make a right? Should I start posting masses of "Get rich quick" messages because speed limit posts don't belong here? [snip] |> any news reader will allow you to choose what you actually |> download. Your inexperience is showing here. There are people who have to download (often with slow modems) all the newsgroups they want to read *before* they can start a newsreader to select what they want to read in those newsgroups. [snipped rest of post which also confuses reading with downloading.] -- Theoretical Comp. Sci. Lab. | X400: S=ballim;OU=di;O=epfl; EPFL, Lausanne | PRMD=switch;ADMD=400net;C=ch CH-1015 (Switzerland) | http://issco-www.unige.ch/~afzal Phone: (+41 21) 693 52 34 | fax: (+41 21) 693 52 78

|> I don't know about anybody else and I would not speak for anyone else |> but I really get tired of people who try to tell me what I can and |> cannot read, look at or post. If I see something that bothers me then |> I just don't look at it. Good for you. I'm glad someone has to time to scan everything posted to Usenet. |> It is that simple. I don't waste space |> telling everybody what to post or what they shoule read. [Obvious reply not included.] |> The last time I checked this was still America Funny, last time I checked this was still Switzerland. What? Oh, you're ina different country from me. You mean there are people on the net outside of Switzerland. Wow, you learn new things every day. |> and I will read, look |> at, post anything I want. ^^^^ I'm sure you're service providers, local and government law enforcement agencies, etc., might have different ideas. |> If anybody doesn't like it, just don't look. |> Short of yelling, "FIRE" in a crowded theater, that is my right. Interesting metaphor. Have you considered this in relation to posting inappropriate material to a newsgroup. |> So if |> what you see in any newsgroup bothers you, look for the off switch on |> your computer, not your email switch so you can run your mouth and try |> to smother everybodies 1st Amendment Rights. Correct me if I'm wrong, but (1) the USA 1st Amendment simply prevents "government" from enacting laws that would prevent freedom of speech. It says nothing about what others might do. Also, I believe that the amendment saying that everyone in the world must follow US law has not yet passed :-). -- Theoretical Comp. Sci. Lab. | X400: S=ballim;OU=di;O=epfl; EPFL, Lausanne | PRMD=switch;ADMD=400net;C=ch CH-1015 (Switzerland) | http://issco-www.unige.ch/~afzal Phone: (+41 21) 693 52 34 | fax: (+41 21) 693 52 78

Oh, puh-LEEZE. By invoking your "Constitutional right" to post binaries, aren't you ALSO invoking everyone else's right to flame you until your mailbox overloads? Your problem, along with a lot of other Americans on the 'Net, is that you fail to realize that: A) Not everyone uses the same 'Net setup you do. B) This is NOT America, this is the Internet. There is a substantial difference. C) The Internet isn't your personal BBS system. D) The world does not, in fact, revolve around you. E) Your flame against wasting space is wasting space. Interesting paradox, no? What is so wrong with being courteous to other people? Oh, I forget -- there's no amendment to the Constitution that demands courtesy, so you don't have any. -- Tony Johns

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> The problem is, it is becoming more than just a few. Pretty soon >thats all will be on here, then all of us who dont want them will have >to sit and waste our timing weeding thru them. This newsgroup is for >messages. Someone needs to create a binaries group for these pcx >files or goto to the one that is already created for pc games. Some >of us download all messages automatically, makes things easier. > If you want to flame me go ahead. I will not be part of this >childish game. Use some commonsense. >Thanks, Mike

I agree 100% . I would perfer not to sit and d/l sometimes up to 5 and 6 .pcx when I check the group. I d/l all the post and I'm really not interested in .pcx files. If I want a .pcx or a car set I go to the proper place for it. No offense meant but I'm not interested in 99.9% of the .pcx's loaded to the newsgroup.

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>I don't know about anybody else and I would not speak for anyone else >but I really get tired of people who try to tell me what I can and >cannot read, look at or post. If I see something that bothers me then >I just don't look at it. It is that simple. I don't waste space >telling everybody what to post or what they shoule read. >The last time I checked this was still America and I will read, look >at, post anything I want. If anybody doesn't like it, just don't look. >Short of yelling, "FIRE" in a crowded theater, that is my right. So if >what you see in any newsgroup bothers you, look for the off switch on >your computer, not your email switch so you can run your mouth and try >to smother everybodies 1st Amendment Rights.

" AMEN " create "rec.autos.simulators.binaries" ******* #28 ***** #7 ***** #51 ***** #70 ******* Dave Long Memphis TN

>I agree 100% . I would perfer not to sit and d/l sometimes up to 5 and 6 >.pcx when I check the group. I d/l all the post and I'm really not >interested in .pcx files. If I want a .pcx or a car set I go to the >proper place for it. No offense meant but I'm not interested in 99.9% of >the .pcx's loaded to the newsgroup. I don't have this problem, but I know many people do. Why don't you just send the cars to a page like ours, or post an article to this newsgroup saying that you made a car, and to e-mail you if they're interested. And also, if you post a car in this newsgroup, Leo and Shannon's Car Page will not get it. I use Netscape to read newsgroups, and it can't copy uuencoded files. -- Leo Singleton ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo and Shannon's Car Page Download Cars for NASCAR Racing by Papyrus http://www.mindspring.com/~leo/nasrace.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------

>I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would >stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it >is a newsgroup for messages. Yes I think so, too! Andreas

I agree with creating a seperate nesgroup for binaries but until that is done this is where they belong. for those of you who don't think they do, does a post about rl spd limits belong on a simulator newsgrp? i'd rather not have to weed two pages of that out every time i log on. any news reader will allow you to choose what you actually download. most will download a file containg subject, size, and poster but they do not download all of the articles. even old unix newsreaders let you browse before you download. i heve a limited connect time and have never had any problem getting everything done that i want to... most newsreaders can be set to weed out subjects containg keywords anyway. just eliminate all posts with pcx in the subject and no more skipping through them...

>I agree 100% . I would perfer not to sit and d/l sometimes up to 5 and 6 >.pcx when I check the group. I d/l all the post and I'm really not >interested in .pcx files. If I want a .pcx or a car set I go to the >proper place for it. No offense meant but I'm not interested in 99.9% of >the .pcx's loaded to the newsgroup. Myself, I prefer to download just headers. log off, mark the article bodies I want to retrieve, and then log back in and download them. That saves alot of internet time for those who don't have unlimited... Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://innet.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.html <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

>The last time I checked this was still America and I will read, look >at, post anything I want. Oh for ****'s sake. Luckily this sort of arrogance crops up infrequently, but what gives you the idea that **I** am in America? Get a grip. Better yet, get an atlas and a map of the Internet. And what do I do if I don't HAVE an option but to look at the stupid file? Ie. download all messages only: no selective headers/bodies downloading. If there were a binaries/messages group then I COULD choose to ignore your binary messages. The last time I swore at some twally for ignoring the larger portion of the world outside their back yard, they were also in America. Annoyed, in England (that's in Europe BTW). -- From the bedroom of Stuart Booth, Somewhere in Guildford, England...

>I agree with creating a seperate nesgroup for binaries but until that > is done this is where they belong. for those of you who don't think I honestly don't understand what the problem is with posting them HERE. It's not like this group gets 200+ messages a day? Plus don't MOST news readers just download the HEADERS? (mine does) So you don't waste time getting the whole file anyway. Andy

: : I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would : : stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it : : is a newsgroup for messages. : Here is the quick and dirty approach to solving this problem: : There already exists a group alt.binaries.games : Post your pcx files in the above group : Post an announcement in this group alerting us to the fact that there is : a file in alt.binaries.games (remember to mention the subject line). Okay, for a test here are 3 files for which I have done the above. If this works, can't we all just agree to give it a try? Subject: ICR2: Homage to Grateful Dead car (ind95.zip) Newsgroups: alt.binaries.games Subject: NASCAR: Homage to Tim Richmond (nasc94.zip) Newsgroups: alt.binaries.games Subject: ICR2: Paintkit Patch (patchpkt.com) Newsgroups: alt.binaries.games -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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> And also, if you post a car in this newsgroup, Leo and Shannon's Car Page > will not get it. I use Netscape to read newsgroups, and it can't copy > uuencoded files. > -- > Leo Singleton > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Leo and Shannon's Car Page > Download Cars for NASCAR Racing by Papyrus > http://www.mindspring.com/~leo/nasrace.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------

netscape can save .uue files by using the 'save as' command under 'file'. click the uue as if you were going to read it and when it starts loading (or whenever it is on your screan) save it as the file. in the first line of the uue. i've used this with great results, much better than trying to copy out all lines of text to a blank text file.

: I would appreciate and I am sure many others also if everyone would : stop posting pcx files of their cars. This is not a binaries group it : is a newsgroup for messages. I know that this has caused quite a bit of heated conversation, but. . . Here is the quick and dirty approach to solving this problem: There already exists a group alt.binaries.games Post your pcx files in the above group Post an announcement in this group alerting us to the fact that there is a file in alt.binaries.games (remember to mention the subject line). -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>>>snip >>The last time I checked this was still America and I will read, look >>at, post anything I want. If anybody doesn't like it, just don't look. >>Short of yelling, "FIRE" in a crowded theater, that is my right. So if >>what you see in any newsgroup bothers you, look for the off switch on >>your computer, not your email switch so you can run your mouth and try

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>>to smother everybodies 1st Amendment Rights. >>>snip > The amazing thing about the net is that no one owns it and >nobody regulates it... except for the users themselves. Most >users use common sense as to what to post or write to a given >newsgroup and some are sadly lacking in that area. As to >posting car.pcx files, I could give a rats' ass one way or the >other. What bugs me is attitudes such as the above. > To use an analogy, if a good newsgroup is like a nice >drinking trough full of tastey clean water and the users are >horses, then it never fails that some pig who's been joyfully >wallowing his face in his on shit will eventually come along >and stick his face in that water trough to slobber and drink... >thus spoiling and polluting it for the majority. > Yes, the swine has a God-given right to act like a pig. It >wouldn't be kind of us to smother his "rights".

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ***S TALKIN' ABOUT? if you don't want to read or use it don't double click it!

PS>I don't know about anybody else and I would not speak for anyone else >but I really get tired of people who try to tell me what I can and >cannot read, look at or post. If I see something that bothers me then >I just don't look at it. It is that simple. I don't waste space >telling everybody what to post or what they shoule read. >The last time I checked this was still America and I will read, look >at, post anything I want. If anybody doesn't like it, just don't look. The argument is not whether people should post them; the argument is do they belong here or do they deserve their own newsgroup. --- * TLX v4.10 * All left-handed people, please raise your right ha --- * OLX 2.2 TD *

BO>>The problem is that some are FORCED to spend the time(=$$) for thier >>newsreaders to download all the articles first before they have a chance BO>>to weed them out. I personally don't have that problem (eithernet all >>the way and I suppose you too at UMN) but the poor folks at AOL, >>COMPUSERVE, etc... gotta deal with the measly 14.4 or 28.8 modems. >>If I'm wrong let me know, but I believe that's how a majority have to >>read these things. BO>FWIW, those using Prodigy & Compuserve are _not_ required to download >all articles from the newsgroup; they have the ability to "browse" and >select which posts they wish to read. Those (like me) who download these newsgroups from local BBS' via QWK mail don't have a choice. The cars don't bother me so much as the talk about the stupid bill Clinton signed! Get outta here!! You know who you are!! <g> --- * TLX v4.10 * "I'd prefer the non-smoking lifeboat, please." --- * OLX 2.2 TD *

: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ***S TALKIN' ABOUT? : if you don't want to read or use it don't double click it! Hard to double-click from a Unix command line! -- But Looks can be Deceiving

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> > : WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ***S TALKIN' ABOUT? > > : if you don't want to read or use it don't double click it! > > > Hard to double-click from a Unix command line!

Yup - a "small" point worth mentioning, eh, Nik? AND there's Offline Newsreaders which download news packets... But some people just don't have a clue about Usenet or computers. Not to mention common sense or manners... Er... ever read the docs or faqs, Langston? It might help you. -- ~~_______~~ _______________[__]=[_(-)_]=[__]_______________ --