Where's Indy (The 500)

Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not!

Well how much more are you willing to pay for your copy? And how much more do you think everyone else is willing to pay? --

: Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these : "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is : probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? : These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus : until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't : shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! I think the reason given was because of the new circuit that is going to compete with Indy next year, has the rights to the track at Indy.

: Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these : "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is : probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? : These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus : until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't : shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! They do have a GOOD answer. Unfortunately, it's not the answer you want. The answer you want is "Okay, here they are". -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

With Tony George (the owner of Indianapolis Motor Speedway) acting like such a patoot about the Indy Racing League, it's no wonder that he won't give Papyrus the rights to include IMS in the Indycar package. Of course he'd probably have no hesitation at all to include it and the other IRL tracks in some other simulation... =p=

-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these -> "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is -> probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? -> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus -> until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't -> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! Maybe it is money. How much extra are you and everyone who bought it willing to pay extra to get the additional track? The Toronto Indy is an 'Indy' so that could be reason why they are called Indy cars. Just because the Indy 500 isn't there is no reason to doubt the name. I personally believe that it is licensing. If you were a suit at the speedway, would you give the name away for cheap? And the reason that Daytona isn't included with Nascar, and hold on to your joysticks here, is that Sega already has the licensing for it and don't want to give it up! Sega!!! Karl

Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. <<< No smoke screen. We can't use a track if we can't get the license for it. Though I am not aware of the terms, my understanding is that the terms imposed on us by IMS are too restrictive for it to be worth our while. And as for Daytona, Sega owns the exclusive license to Daytona. My understanding is that the license is up for renewal next year. Until then, there will be no Daytona for NASCAR. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these -> "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is -> probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? -> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus -> until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't -> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! The Indianapolis 500 is no longer apart of IndyCar racing! Please make sure you understand that before you post anything else. Is is not part of the schedule nor is Phoenix or New Hampshire for upcoming schedule. Also keep in mind that Sega has licensing rights to Daytona even though their GAME has nothing to do with DAYTONA. It is simply a GAME. But what doesn't make sense is that the NASCAR boys have sold their game rights to a Japanese company. Meanwhile the Papyrus SIM has everything to do with NASCAR.

JD>Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these >"Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is >probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? >These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus >until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't >shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! Who the hell are you to accuse a major software company of lying to you, me and all the other game players? If you'd actually listen and believe people for what they are, you'd know that licensing rights are the problem. Want proof? Indy is owned by a committee that is starting the Indy Racing League. IndyCar is in a battle; therefore, the Indy 500 may not be on the IndyCar schedule. As for Daytona, Sega holds the rights to it. Now; SHUT UP! --- * TLX v4.10 * "You shouldn't have anymore problems..." --- * OLX 2.2 TD *

Etc, etc.... Rick, Just wondering. I guess licensing is on a game-by-game basis? After all, you DID have the Indy Expansion Pack for ICR. You couldn't possibly use that version you already had permission to use somehow? BTW, welcome back. Lots of people missed you. Ron (Buckster Express)---------->

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>Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is >probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? >These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus >until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. ><<< >No smoke screen. We can't use a track if we can't get the license for it. >Though I am not aware of the terms, my understanding is that the terms >imposed on us by IMS are too restrictive for it to be worth our while.

I can imagine what this is... Lemme see. They probably do not want any CART cars represented on the track. Just like in real life apparently.

: >>>> : >Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is : >probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? : >These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus : >until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. : ><<< : > : >No smoke screen. We can't use a track if we can't get the license for it. : >Though I am not aware of the terms, my understanding is that the terms : >imposed on us by IMS are too restrictive for it to be worth our while. : >Rick Genter : >Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II : >Papyrus Design Group, Inc. I seem to be confused. I have the program Indianapolis 500 that appears to have the Indy track and is by a group called Papyrus. If they already use the track, why can't they use the track in my IndyCar ?

Rick, Just wondering. I guess licensing is on a game-by-game basis? <<< Yep. BTW, welcome back. Lots of people missed you. <<< Thanks. You should have seen my e-mailbox when I came back. Took me 9 hours to clean it up (and catch up on the 971 postings in rec.auto.simulators). Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

>The Indianapolis 500 is no longer apart of IndyCar racing! Please make >sure you understand that before you post anything else. Is is not part >of the schedule nor is Phoenix or New Hampshire for upcoming schedule. Absolutely right. Long live the PPG Series (CART);***the IRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sandman

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>-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these >-> "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is >-> probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? >-> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus >-> until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't >-> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! > Maybe it is money. How much extra are you and everyone who >bought it willing to pay extra to get the additional track?

Personally, I'm glad it isn't yet being offered as an add-on pack. I don't want any more of my hard earned dollars going to Mr IRL than I have to. Tony can take his track and stick it where the sun don't shine until he agrees to quit destroying what used to be the greatest race in the world. _______________________________________ Tim Wortman NASSCAR '95 Series Director Visit the NASSCAR '95 home page http://www.webcom.com/twortman/nasscar/ _______________________________________

RI>And as for Daytona, Sega owns the exclusive license to Daytona. My >understanding is that the license is up for renewal next year. Until then, >there will be no Daytona for NASCAR. Really? I assume you'll be trying very hard to get enough rights to release the track for us players? Also, I think Sega has aquired IMS too; I recently saw in a game magazine an arcade game bearing the Indy name; guess whats its about? Sega is really starting to***me off, ya know? <g> --- * TLX v4.10 * Infinite Limit: Woman with a driver's license. --- * OLX 2.2 TD *

>>-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these >>-> "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is >>-> probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? >>-> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus >>-> until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't >>-> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! Well, guess what Sega has now. First, DaytonaUSA, which meant no Daytona 500 for us Papyrus' Nascar Racing lovers. Now? Indy500! What a bunch of***s. I bet those 'indycars' will fly through those 'racetracks' at 300 mph, and all you have to do when cornering is slam on the brakes, turn in, countersteer, and stab the gas. Just like Daytona. Revving the engine in Daytona results in the front end of the car bobbing up and down. Wow! Do Winston Cup cars now use 358ci TRANSVERSE engines??? Hey, Sega, why not make a Drag racing game while youre at it, with 50 second quarter mile times (gotta make the most out of that $1.50 you plunked in the machine), and heck, dont forget the machine guns.

shine until he agrees to quit destroying what used to be the greatest race in the world.<< Well, the greatest race in the United States anyway. I've been to Indy and it's "okay". I'd prefer any F1 race at Monza/Imola or even a trip to the Monaco GP or Le Mans. There's a world across the oceans.... Cheers! John -- oooO _ _ Oooo John Wallace, Edinburgh (Scotland) ( ) / ) ( \ ( ) CompuServe : 100347,3560 \_)(___) (___)(_/ oooO Oooo

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> > > > >The Indianapolis 500 is no longer apart of IndyCar racing! Please make > >sure you understand that before you post anything else. Is is not part > >of the schedule nor is Phoenix or New Hampshire for upcoming schedule. > > > > Absolutely right. Long live the PPG Series (CART);***the > IRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Sandman > >

The Cart/PPg series will be called Indycar for 1996. I think this is a move to head off Tony George and his band of Blackmailers. I think the IRL is fine, (winter racing!) But to use the qualifying at Indy as an Anvil to pound the CART teams is tasteless and vile. I'd love to see more races, but come May, if the IRL holds to its restricted qualifying, then Alpha Mike Foxtrot. I'll find a radio or a Prime sports channel that will carry the Indycar race at Michigan. I really think we should begin pressuring ABC\Disney to NOT limit future coverage of Indycar races. ( I haven't said the "B" word yet, ) Dave Henrie * JABBER v1.1 * -- | Fidonet: Dave Henrie 1:346/25 | Fido -> Internet/Usenet via Net 346 Services

>Well, the greatest race in the United States anyway. I've been to Indy >and it's "okay". I'd prefer any F1 race at Monza/Imola or even a trip >to the Monaco GP or Le Mans. >There's a world across the oceans.... Hey John, I prefer any NASCAR race over any F1 race. Heck I didnt know there was anyother world across the oceans.<GG> I know one person who lives in one world and worships the other world across the oceans and that is LES <VBG> Cheers, Mike

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> > >-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these > >-> "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is > >-> probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? > >-> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus > >-> until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't > >-> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! > > > Maybe it is money. How much extra are you and everyone who > >bought it willing to pay extra to get the additional track? > > Personally, I'm glad it isn't yet being offered as an add-on pack. I > don't want any more of my hard earned dollars going to Mr IRL than I > have to. Tony can take his track and stick it where the sun don't > shine until he agrees to quit destroying what used to be the greatest > race in the world. > > Tim Wortman > > NASSCAR '95 Series Director > Visit the NASSCAR '95 home page > http://www.webcom.com/twortman/nasscar/ > _______________________________________ >

I agree 100 percent with your statement. Tony George is the Grinch who stole Indy! Dave Henrie * JABBER v1.1 * -- | Fidonet: Dave Henrie 1:346/25 | Fido -> Internet/Usenet via Net 346 Services

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> > >-> Why can't Papyrus put out the 500 track at Indy. Why are these > > >-> "Indycars" If no Indy? Rick Genter say's lic. problems but this is > > >-> probably a smoke screen for money. Is Papy too cheap to ante up? > > >-> These questions should be answered and all should question Papyrus > > >-> until they answer. Same for Daytona w/Nascar. I want Indy and won't > > >-> shut up until they produce or have a damn good answer why not! > > > Maybe it is money. How much extra are you and everyone who > > >bought it willing to pay extra to get the additional track?

[snip snip] What Papyrus should do is include a 500 mile race with a track just like Indy but not call it Indy. Call it the Papyrus 500 or something and maybe even allow the user to edit the name. No licence but we still get the track. -- _____ / O \ POWERPHIL [o=====o] Get there Phast!

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> > > > > > > >The Indianapolis 500 is no longer apart of IndyCar racing! Please mak > > >sure you understand that before you post anything else. Is is not par > > >of the schedule nor is Phoenix or New Hampshire for upcoming schedule. > > > > > > > Absolutely right. Long live the PPG Series (CART);***the > > IRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Sandman > > > > > The Cart/PPg series will be called Indycar for 1996. I think this >is a move to head off Tony George and his band of Blackmailers. I think >the IRL is fine, (winter racing!) But to use the qualifying at Indy as >an Anvil to pound the CART teams is tasteless and vile. I'd love to see >more races, but come May, if the IRL holds to its restricted qualifying, >then Alpha Mike Foxtrot. I'll find a radio or a Prime sports channel >that will carry the Indycar race at Michigan. > I really think we should begin pressuring ABC\Disney to NOT limit >future coverage of Indycar races. ( I haven't said the "B" word yet, )

It's been called IndyCar. They dropped the CART name because no one knew what it meant. --- * TLX v4.10 * All humans are subject to decay. --- * OLX 2.2 TD *

Where's the Indy 500? I'll tell you where it is. It's in Sega's new driving game (Daytona, Sega Rally folllow-up) Indy 500, that's where! Just as with Daytona, Sega's the one that has come up with the big bucks to secure the rights. No big deal, seeing that Indy isn't on the Indycar schedule anyway. But, a few things to note: There are three tracks in Indy 500. The main feature is, of course, Indianapolis which is a pretty faithful replica of the real thing (this I'm not really sure about, since I never got the Indy track expansion pack. I did play the original Indy 500 game by Papyrus though). However, there are two other fictitious tracks that bear striking resemblances to real ones. Is there a double standard here? Some shady design work? The "Highland Raceway" is a great-looking desert/mountain/forest track. At one portion of the track there is a very fast left-hand turn leading uphill. At the top of the hill, the elevation suddenly drops into a downhill chicane followed by a medium left turn (with more runoff than usual for a video game) then a high speed right turn. Sound familiar? The corkscrew maybe? Anyone who plays this game will feel instant "deja vu" if they've played (or even watched a race at) Laguna Seca on Indycar 1 or 2. Is lifting parts of a track legal? The street course is more original, but also bares striking resemblances to Vancouver, Detroit, and Miami... Despite all this, the game is pretty fun. It features the best graphics you'll ever see in a driving game, and the most realism since Race Drivin' for a video game. Of course, the simulated Indycar does some pretty questionable things. Wheelspin and oversteer at sixth gear? Sure! Just yank the wheel to full lock! Martin Nigel Mansell RIP!