Indycar II demo understeer problem!

I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any comment?

> I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any >comment? Vincent, I concur the "feature" exists, experienced using the TM Formula T2, and is accompanied by excessive tyre squeal sound effects. Tyre temps are fine, yet from the correct entry line for the apex the car pushes right into the wall at *relatively* low speeds. Shades of NASCAR. Hopefully??, it's only a function of the demo's arcade mode, and will disappear with the ability to select a more serious simmode and adjust setup? Rick? Regards, ---Cogito Ergo Sum--- * * Fidonet: 3:640/377 * Keiron Rado, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia *

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>> I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any >>comment? >Vincent, I concur the "feature" exists, experienced using the TM >Formula T2, and is accompanied by excessive tyre squeal sound effects. >Tyre temps are fine, yet from the correct entry line for the apex the >car pushes right into the wall at *relatively* low speeds. Shades of >NASCAR. >Hopefully??, it's only a function of the demo's arcade mode, and will >disappear with the ability to select a more serious simmode and adjust >setup? Rick?

I don't know the insides of the code, but my guess is that it's a function of lower grip (than ICR 1.x). It's quite possible to push too hard and then it "understeers", but it's still quite drivable, and from observation at the real Laguna I think the speeds are a lot more realistic now. -- Brian Wong Systems Engineering Group (Servers)

writes: |> I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any |> comment? |> I encounter the same problem. After trying a few time to control the car, I gave up... and blew this sucking demo out of my HD ! I *loved* indycar I, but i probably won't buy ICR2. Cedric MILLET

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>writes: >|> I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any >|> comment? >|> > I encounter the same problem. After trying a few time to control the > car, I gave up... and blew this sucking demo out of my HD ! > I *loved* indycar I, but i probably won't buy ICR2. > Cedric MILLET

You can't really change any of the car set-up in the DEMO. You can however (I only tried it for Michigan) copy a file called ACE.STG to DEFAULT.SG1 and you will get a car that doesn't push. I was able to get about 1 MPH faster (238.850) with it, or maybe it was luck, kind of hard to tell. My initial impression of IRC2 after driving the original IRC was that it seemed different and I didn't like it. But you just have to drive it for a while. Now I really like it. It does seem more accurate in vehical dynamics and spinouts.

: I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any : comment? Main reason is the steering lock. If you use keyboard and use the preset "18degrees" in Laguna Seca, then you will get a LOT of understeer. I got a similar situation in icr 1. In icr 1 I lost at least 5 sec per lap after I changed it from 8 to 14 degrees. I think they should add functions like steering help for the keyboard users. Vernon

> But it seems that the wing angles is set to almost the maximum in the > default setup! The car is almost undriveable, anyone who run 239.??? tell me > how can you do that? Take the defalut setup and delete it. Then take the ace setup and rename it to replace the deleted default setup. I believe the file is default.st1. -- Eric T. Busch Emory University

> I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any >comment? I noticed the same, vs. ICR. I noticed that this year at Laguna, the real cars braked quite heavily and downshifted into 4 & 5, much more than you need to for ICR. I have to guess this is because of the lower downforce on the newer machines. This makes sense if you consider ICR is based on...what...1993 versions?

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>Subject: Re: Indycar II demo understeer problem! >Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 04:37:23 GMT >writes: >> I encounter a lot understeer in both track with key or joystick, any >>comment? >Same here. Perhaps it's because the demo doesn't allow us to adjust the >wing angles, etc.

But it seems that the wing angles is set to almost the maximum in the default setup! The car is almost undriveable, anyone who run 239.??? tell me how can you do that?