NASCAR NEEDED

Does anyone know where I can get this game? Also what are the requirements for running it?

>Does anyone know where I can get this game? Hmmm... I don't know for sure, but I think your best bet would probably be to check at a software store. -- * . . . . . .,___/--/|) **** http://www.cs.arizona.edu/ ** *./ ./ ./ ./ ./ ./ \_/ ()|/\\ *** people/traweek/traweek.html * * \ \ \ \ \ \_/`~---'\_/ *********************************

Yeah, that's kinda hard to answer but I think Brad is right, try a software store. I've heard they carry stuff like that.

I have the disk version, which will only allow play in VGA mode. I will sell it to you for $30. Todd Walker

TSK TSK Thats a no-no The Sim can be purchased at almost every software retail store and at all mail order outlets. Some mail-order dealers are selling the SVGA version for under $30.

Uhhh, tough question. Maybe Egghead or Software Etc. could help you locate it or you could always oreder it from Papyrus As for hardware you need the equivalent of a low end Silicon Graphics workstation. That equates to a high end Pentium, very high end (p120 with 16MB). (I know comparing a high end pentium to low end SGI system is a vile and despicable insult to SGI and I apologize to SGI for it).

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>>Does anyone know where I can get this game? Also what are the >>requirements for running it? >Uhhh, tough question. Maybe Egghead or Software Etc. could help you locate >it or you could always oreder it from Papyrus >As for hardware you need the equivalent of a low end Silicon Graphics >workstation. That equates to a high end Pentium, very high end (p120 with >16MB). (I know comparing a high end pentium to low end SGI system is a vile >and despicable insult to SGI and I apologize to SGI for it).

No true, I am running NASCAR on a 90 MHz Pentium and it runs just fine. I know several people running NASCAR on a 486DX4-100 with 16 MB of RAM and it too runs fine. The video card is the big one to watch out for as well. I would recommend an ATI Mach 64 PRO Turbo, or an accelerated S3! Craig. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Craig Sharpe Account Manager ObjectWorks, INC. Phone: (403) 237-7333 FAX: (403) 237-7380 Snail mail: #807, 100 4th Ave. S.W. Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2P 3N2 http://www.objectworks.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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>>Does anyone know where I can get this game? Also what are the >>requirements for running it? >Uhhh, tough question. Maybe Egghead or Software Etc. could help you locate >it or you could always oreder it from Papyrus >As for hardware you need the equivalent of a low end Silicon Graphics >workstation. That equates to a high end Pentium, very high end (p120 with >16MB). (I know comparing a high end pentium to low end SGI system is a vile >and despicable insult to SGI and I apologize to SGI for it).

Well, all will be forgiven when Papyrus releases MOTOROLA code for the Mac! Go #6 Mark Martin and #16 Ted Musgrave - Jack Roush Racing!! NASCAR Racing!! http://innet.com/~sean/nascar/nascar.html <--NASCAR Racing Sim page

Definately not true! I'm running it in SVGA mode with 20 cars in FM sound on a 486-66 with 16 megs RAM and it works just fine.

Carter) writes: >>Does anyone know where I can get this game? Also what are the >>requirements for running it? >Uhhh, tough question. Maybe Egghead or Software Etc. could help you locate >it or you could always oreder it from Papyrus >As for hardware you need the equivalent of a low end Silicon Graphics >workstation. That equates to a high end Pentium, very high end (p120 with >16MB). (I know comparing a high end pentium to low end SGI system is a vile >and despicable insult to SGI and I apologize to SGI for it). You're DEAD WRONG on this one. I'm runnin a P90, Intel Neptune mboard, 16mram, Diamond Stealth 64 pci dram, SB16. HARDLY state o' the art. I run in HiRes, ALL OPTIONS ON except track and grass, 35 car field, 10 ahead, 3 behind, 3 heard, digital sound. Yes, SOME chop...depending on track, but HIGHLY playable. My top laps compare with, and BEAT, MANY times posted in this group, and that INCLUDES folks w/100, 120, and/or overclocked cpu's. The gist of your post is nothing new... its time to upgrade from that 486/33, or WHATEVER other obsolete system you're tryng to run Nascar on...AND/OR get some driving/setup lessons. Dont blame/flame the folks at Papyrus for 'pushing the envelope'... (Hell, more power to 'em...) Computer hard/software technology is advancing by leaps and bounds, almost on a DAILY basis sometimes, either 'go with the flow' or quit whining and stick to Turbo Outrun and Nintendo games. Please feel free to post/email for setup/driving/ upgrade tips, should you decide to REALLY get involved with the greatest racing sim EVER done for the PC. IMHO...D.

DRM->You're DEAD WRONG on this one. I'm runnin a P90, Intel Neptune mboard, ->16mram, Diamond Stealth 64 pci dram, SB16. HARDLY state o' the art. ->... ->its time to upgrade from that 486/33, or WHATEVER other obsolete system ->you're tryng to run Nascar on...AND/OR get some driving/setup lessons. ->Dont blame/flame the folks at Papyrus for 'pushing the envelope'... ->(Hell, more power to 'em...) Computer hard/software technology is ->advancing by leaps and bounds, almost on a DAILY basis sometimes, ->either 'go with the flow' or quit whining and stick to Turbo Outrun ->and Nintendo games. Please feel free to post/email for setup/driving/ ->upgrade tips, should you decide to REALLY get involved with the ->greatest racing sim EVER done for the PC. IMHO...D. Unless you have some money to hand out to everyone, don't insult people for the computer they have. ... Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man.

Nascar start flaming PAPYRUS?? What nonsense!

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> (Robert Berus Jr) writes: > >Unless you have some money to hand out to everyone, don't insult > people > >for the computer they have. > >So...you're advocating that folks without enough 'horsepower' to run > Nascar start flaming PAPYRUS?? What nonsense!

While I wouldn't advocate flaming Papyrus, I don't see the need in making the next generation of games requiring a desk cray. The problem is, most of us can't afford to upgrade every six months just to play the latest game. If productivity packages required p5/133s then it would make sense to push the envalope more. But they don't. The 486/33 I have can handle all the business programing you can throw at it (perhaps not quite as fast, but only in racing is another second so critical), but not the latest in *** programs. So, if you are rich enough to upgrade the world, then I'd suggest you do it. Until then, enjoy what you have and don't look down on those who can't (or won't) upgrade immediately. (BTW, my *previous* computer was an Apple IIe!)

Whether folks can't (or won't) upgrade to meet the inevitable advancements in *** technology is certainly none of MY business. To each his own. If I do, in fact, tend to "look down" on anyone, it is those who needlessly (and futilely) troll/flame.

Unless you have the minimum or recommended processor for a given program...dont insult the developers/product.

Dramatic? That's staggering! Good work, guys. Presumably performance will again increase with the 3d chipsets once you start coding for them (Creative Labs' 3dBlaster etc). Time to figure out more textures - realistic clouds, dynamic skid marks etc :) Mike.

>Quoting rickgenter from a message in rec.autos.simulators > ri>Path: ri>news2.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetm i.c

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> ri>Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > ri>Subject: Re: NASCAR NEEDED > ri>Date: 13 Sep 1995 10:44:55 -0400 > ri>Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > ri>Lines: 16 > ri>NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com > ri>This may no longer be true starting with IndyCar Racing II. We

found an > ri>optimization for our texture mapper that improved the frame rate > ri>dramatically *for* *Pentiums* *only*. (Dramatically = in one test the > ri>overall frame rate improved nearly 70%.) I think you'll be pleased with > ri>the frame rates in IndyCar Racing II. >Rick, >WOW, that is great news! Will it be possible to update Nascar for this >optimization? Or even a NEW version of Nascar with this added improvement? >I'd be more than happy to pay for that type of frame rate increase. :) >Andy DITTO!! New or upgrade...I'll buy. Rick...what's the scoop??

So, can we expect an update for NASCAR Racing with this new texture mapper, or is this already the case with the NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows?? Harald

So, can we expect an update for NASCAR Racing with this new texture mapper, or is this already the case with the NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows?? <<< It will be in NASCAR Racing for Windows. I believe we are planning to do an update to the DOS version at the same time, so it should be in there as well. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II/NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

That's a good group to look down on. It sounded like you were blasting someone for not upgrading, rather than flaming, though.

->(Robert Berus Jr) writes: ->> ->>DRM->You're DEAD WRONG on this one. I'm runnin a P90, Intel Neptune ->mboard, ->> ->16mram, Diamond Stealth 64 pci dram, SB16. HARDLY state o' the ->art. ->> ->... ->> ->its time to upgrade from that 486/33, or WHATEVER other obsolete ->system ->> ->you're tryng to run Nascar on...AND/OR get some driving/setup ->lessons. ->> ->Dont blame/flame the folks at Papyrus for 'pushing the ->envelope'... ->> ->(Hell, more power to 'em...) Computer hard/software technology ->is ->> ->advancing by leaps and bounds, almost on a DAILY basis sometimes, ->> ->either 'go with the flow' or quit whining and stick to Turbo ->Outrun ->> ->and Nintendo games. Please feel free to post/email for ->setup/driving/ ->> ->upgrade tips, should you decide to REALLY get involved with the ->> ->greatest racing sim EVER done for the PC. IMHO...D. ->> ->>Unless you have some money to hand out to everyone, don't insult ->people ->>for the computer they have. ->>snip ->Unless you have the minimum or recommended processor for a given ->program...dont insult the developers/product. I didn't. The owner of the computer mentioned above did. ... Two writes don't make a novel.

->Subject: Re: NASCAR NEEDED ->(Robert Berus Jr) writes: ->> ->>Unless you have some money to hand out to everyone, don't insult ->people ->>for the computer they have. ->> ->> ->>So...you're advocating that folks without enough 'horsepower' to run ->Nascar start flaming PAPYRUS?? What nonsense! No I'm not...I'm saying don't insult people for their computer. Where did I say anything about flaming Papyrus? ... Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.

MD->While I wouldn't advocate flaming Papyrus, I don't see the need in making ->the next generation of games requiring a desk cray. The problem is, most ->of us can't afford to upgrade every six months just to play the latest ->game. If productivity packages required p5/133s then it would make sense ->to push the envalope more. But they don't. The 486/33 I have can handle ->all the business programing you can throw at it (perhaps not quite as ->fast, but only in racing is another second so critical), but not the ->latest in *** programs. So, if you are rich enough to upgrade the ->world, then I'd suggest you do it. Until then, enjoy what you have and ->don't look down on those who can't (or won't) upgrade immediately. (BTW, m ->*previous* computer was an Apple IIe!) Exactly...someone who understands....I had an Applie IIc....still sittin' in the box. <g> Oh...I just started playing NASCAR last night....a great game...I'm still in the wreck anything and everything stage, so Bristol is a fun track. <g> ... If I were here more often, I wouldn't be gone so much.

writes: You may be slightly missing the point. I have read a post earlier regarding F1GP2 where someone was "flaming" Microprose and suggesting that they would be "selling out" if they didn't spend ages tightening code and/or compromising the detail so that the game would run on a 486. Personally I just spend quite a lot of money on a Pentium so that I COULD enjoy these games in full detail. I have no problem with games being made to run on so called low-end equipment, I just hate to think a product could have been better but was hobbled to allow less powerful machines to run it. If you can run F1GP2 in low res with no detail on a Morphy Richards toaster, I'm delighted - as long as I can enjoy it in full SVGA light-sourced, texture-mapped, full detail splendour. Voila, we're both happy. Cheers! John

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> >>As for hardware you need the equivalent of a low end Silicon Graphics > >>workstation. That equates to a high end Pentium, very high end (p120 with > >>16MB). (I know comparing a high end pentium to low end SGI system is a vile > >>and despicable insult to SGI and I apologize to SGI for it). > >No true, > >I am running NASCAR on a 90 MHz Pentium and it runs just fine. I know several > >people running NASCAR on a 486DX4-100 with 16 MB of RAM and it too runs fine. The > >video card is the big one to watch out for as well. I would recommend an ATI Mach > >64 PRO Turbo, or an accelerated S3! > The big burden is when it comes to SVGA mode. If you up the res., the amount > of texturing is going up by a factor of four and this part of the game represents > the greatest hit on the CPU. > If you want a benchmark, I've tried it on a Dell P133 with 16 Mb RAM, 512Kb > burst cache, #9 Motion card ( which gets a rating of '1' in WC3 ) and you > _still_ have to turn off track texturing in SVGA mode to get 25 fps. > Let's hope that F1GP2's SVGA mode is a little kinder on the old CPU - > Crammond has written virtually all of the code in assembly with efficiency > as his main aim. > Fraser >>>>I have a 486/33 and it sucks. I love Nascar Racing but I

can't enjoy it. There's no other feeling in the world than when you have a game that you can't really play. I don't have a rich mommy and daddy like some kids I know. Going to college and everything makes it impossible for me to afford an upgrade or a one. This ticks me off.

writes: >> >>As for hardware you need the equivalent of a low end Silicon Graphics >> >>workstation. That equates to a high end Pentium, very high end (p120 >with >> >>16MB). (I know comparing a high end pentium to low end SGI system is a

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>vile >> >>and despicable insult to SGI and I apologize to SGI for it). >> >No true, >> >I am running NASCAR on a 90 MHz Pentium and it runs just fine. I know >several >> >people running NASCAR on a 486DX4-100 with 16 MB of RAM and it too

runs >fine. The >> >video card is the big one to watch out for as well. I would recommend an

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>ATI Mach >> >64 PRO Turbo, or an accelerated S3! >> The big burden is when it comes to SVGA mode. If you up the res., the >amount >> of texturing is going up by a factor of four and this part of the game >represents >> the greatest hit on the CPU. >> If you want a benchmark, I've tried it on a Dell P133 with 16 Mb RAM,

512Kb >> burst cache, #9 Motion card ( which gets a rating of '1' in WC3 ) and you >> _still_ have to turn off track texturing in SVGA mode to get 25 fps. >> Let's hope that F1GP2's SVGA mode is a little kinder on the old CPU - >> Crammond has written virtually all of the code in assembly with efficiency >> as his main aim. >> Fraser I'm running NASCAR on a 486/66, 16megs RAM, an Orchid Pro Designer II and FM sound in SVGA mode and it works with a little chop, but at VGA it cooks.