Dundrod - An Appreciation

Dundrod - An Appreciation Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of Sergio Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, 15.4-mile Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and winding (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the GPL era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" (Tourist Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod, and given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1 cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and ditches. It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the '53 TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery familar (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or the Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spot on...and beautimous. Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned for 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put his 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for its last race. Get Dundrod here: http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html --Steve Smith

Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ml%cd.311397$[email hidden]... > Dundrod - An Appreciation > > Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been > released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation ofSergio

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> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my > Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. > > Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, 15.4-mile > Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what > else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous > Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and

winding > (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the GPL > era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT"(Tourist > Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs > trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. > > In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod,and

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> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1 > cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and > ditches. > > It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be > very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a > beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like > Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with > warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the

'53 > TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). > > Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the sceneryfamilar > (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's > seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" orthe

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> Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spot on...and > beautimous. > > Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned for > 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this > day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation > includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some > Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put

his > 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) forits

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> last race. > > Get Dundrod here: > > http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html > > --Steve Smith

yawn. > >

Ahh don't listen to them Steve, I love the history lessons. Don't read it if you don't want it, seems easy enough to me. "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Dw%cd.255$n%[email hidden]...

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> > Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ml%cd.311397$[email hidden]... >> Dundrod - An Appreciation >> >> Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of > Sergio >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. >> >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, >> 15.4-mile >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous >> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and > winding >> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the >> GPL >> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" > (Tourist >> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs >> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. >> >> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod, > and >> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1 >> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and >> ditches. >> >> It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be >> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a >> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like >> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with >> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the > '53 >> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). >> >> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery > familar >> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's >> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or > the >> Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spot on...and >> beautimous. >> >> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned >> for >> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this >> day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation >> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some >> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put > his >> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for > its >> last race. >> >> Get Dundrod here: >> >> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html >> >> --Steve Smith > > > yawn. >> >> > >

I don't. He's in my killfile. "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Ahh don't listen to them Steve, I love the history lessons. Don't read it > if you don't want it, seems easy enough to me. > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Dw%cd.255$n%[email hidden]... > > > > Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ml%cd.311397$[email hidden]... > >> Dundrod - An Appreciation > >> > >> Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been > >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of > > Sergio > >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my > >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. > >> > >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, > >> 15.4-mile > >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what > >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the

only-slightly-less-stupendous

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> >> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and > > winding > >> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the > >> GPL > >> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" > > (Tourist > >> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs > >> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. > >> > >> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod, > > and > >> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67

F1 > >> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and > >> ditches. > >> > >> It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars willbe

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> >> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a > >> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like > >> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with > >> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the > > '53 > >> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). > >> > >> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery > > familar > >> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone

who's > >> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or > > the > >> Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spoton...and

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> >> beautimous. > >> > >> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned > >> for > >> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this > >> day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation > >> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure

some

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> >> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put > > his > >> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for > > its > >> last race. > >> > >> Get Dundrod here: > >> > >> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html > >> > >> --Steve Smith > > > > > > yawn. > >> > >> > > > > > >

Hi Steve, thanks for this little essay. It's always a pleasure to read your articles, even if the topic (GPL) isn't of much interest to me anymore. But simply the way you write is so much fun to read! -- Achim http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

(Blush!) Thx, Achim! "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Steve, > > thanks for this little essay. It's always a pleasure to read your > articles, even if the topic (GPL) isn't of much interest to me anymore. > But simply the way you write is so much fun to read! > > -- > Achim > http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

lol "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:PK9dd.11815$[email hidden]...

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> (Blush!) Thx, Achim! > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi Steve, > > > > thanks for this little essay. It's always a pleasure to read your > > articles, even if the topic (GPL) isn't of much interest to me anymore. > > But simply the way you write is so much fun to read! > > > > -- > > Achim > > http://users.skynet.be/AchimT > >

Then I guess you won't see this either......sniff, sniff. How can I go on ? Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts more of his " hey everyone look at me " crusade/diatribes, oh well. Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_E7dd.17413$[email hidden]... > I don't. He's in my killfile. > > "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ahh don't listen to them Steve, I love the history lessons. Don't readit

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> > if you don't want it, seems easy enough to me. > > > > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Dw%cd.255$n%[email hidden]... > > > > > > Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Ml%cd.311397$[email hidden]... > > >> Dundrod - An Appreciation > > >> > > >> Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT

been

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> > >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of > > > Sergio > > >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my > > >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. > > >> > > >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, > > >> 15.4-mile > > >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what > > >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the > only-slightly-less-stupendous > > >> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and > > > winding > > >> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with

the

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> > >> GPL > > >> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" > > > (Tourist > > >> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs > > >> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. > > >> > > >> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at

Dundrod,

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> > > and > > >> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 > F1 > > >> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and > > >> ditches. > > >> > > >> It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars will > be > > >> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a > > >> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like > > >> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage

with > > >> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9"(the

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> > > '53 > > >> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). > > >> > > >> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery > > > familar > > >> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone > who's > > >> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary"

or > > > the > > >> Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spot > on...and > > >> beautimous. > > >> > > >> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue wasabandoned > > >> for > > >> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there tothis > > >> day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation > > >> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure > some > > >> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, whoput > > > his > > >> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight)for

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> > > its > > >> last race. > > >> > > >> Get Dundrod here: > > >> > > >> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html > > >> > > >> --Steve Smith > > > > > > > > > yawn. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

JP wrote: > Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track > release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts more > of his " hey everyone look at me " crusade/diatribes, oh well. I think you got Steve all wrong JP - he is a genuine motorsports / simracing enthousiast, and even if he would be off now and then (and don't we all) he's far more into propagating "Good things" than himself. Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -24

Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cl4o18$hc9$[email hidden]... > JP wrote: > > > Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track > > release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he postsmore

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> > of his " hey everyone look at me " crusade/diatribes, oh well. > > I think you got Steve all wrong JP - he is a genuine motorsports / > simracing enthousiast, and even if he would be off now and then (and > don't we all) he's far more into propagating "Good things" than himself. > > > Regards, Rudy > -------------------- > GPLRank: -24

k, thanks Rudy.

Who are you to "yawn" at anything, let alone this legitimate, interesting topic? Marc "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Dw%cd.255$n%[email hidden]...

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> > Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ml%cd.311397$[email hidden]... >> Dundrod - An Appreciation >> >> Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of > Sergio >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. >> >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, >> 15.4-mile >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous >> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and > winding >> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the >> GPL >> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" > (Tourist >> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs >> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. >> >> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod, > and >> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1 >> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and >> ditches. >> >> It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be >> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a >> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like >> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with >> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the > '53 >> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). >> >> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery > familar >> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's >> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or > the >> Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spot on...and >> beautimous. >> >> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned >> for >> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this >> day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation >> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some >> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put > his >> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for > its >> last race. >> >> Get Dundrod here: >> >> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html >> >> --Steve Smith > > > yawn. >> >> > >

<laughter> Can you even see from that horse ? I just hope someday I can be as worthy as yourself oh majestic one. Marc Collins <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n8Fdd.54349$[email hidden]...

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> Who are you to "yawn" at anything, let alone this legitimate, interesting > topic? > > Marc > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Dw%cd.255$n%[email hidden]... > > > > Steve Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ml%cd.311397$[email hidden]... > >> Dundrod - An Appreciation > >> > >> Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been > >> released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of > > Sergio > >> Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my > >> Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. > >> > >> Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, > >> 15.4-mile > >> Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what > >> else?--an equally superb recreation of the

only-slightly-less-stupendous

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> >> Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and > > winding > >> (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the > >> GPL > >> era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" > > (Tourist > >> Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs > >> trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. > >> > >> In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod, > > and > >> given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67

F1 > >> cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and > >> ditches. > >> > >> It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars willbe

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> >> very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a > >> beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like > >> Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with > >> warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the > > '53 > >> TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). > >> > >> Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery > > familar > >> (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone

who's > >> seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or > > the > >> Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spoton...and

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> >> beautimous. > >> > >> Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned > >> for > >> 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this > >> day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation > >> includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure

some

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> >> Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put > > his > >> 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for > > its > >> last race. > >> > >> Get Dundrod here: > >> > >> http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html > >> > >> --Steve Smith > > > > > > yawn. > >> > >> > > > > > >

JP wrote: > Then I guess you won't see this either......sniff, sniff. How can I go on > ? Don't 'go on', just go away. > > Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track > release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts more > of his " hey everyone look at me " crusade/diatribes, oh well. Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change. As of now, you really are a sad little puppy. -Greg

Greg Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KpTdd.35731$bk1.25388@fed1read05... > JP wrote: > > > Then I guess you won't see this either......sniff, sniff. How can Igo on

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> > ? > > Don't 'go on', just go away. > > > > > Anyway Chad, after his making an ass of himself after the Pits track > > release, and as usual, never admitting he was wrong, any time he posts

more > > of his " hey everyone look at me " crusade/diatribes, oh well. > > Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change. As of now, you > really are a sad little puppy. > > -Greg No, I'm decent to those that deserve it. Guess where you fit in ? p.s. a sure sign of a loser; one older than 13, who still uses the word dude.

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_wTdd.86$[email hidden]... > > Greg Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KpTdd.35731$bk1.25388@fed1read05... > > Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change. As of now,you > > really are a sad little puppy. > p.s. a sure sign of a loser; one older than 13, who still uses theword > dude. Or maybe one that is trying to talk at a level the 13 year old he believes himself to be addressing would understand? ;-) Give it a rest now please JP, I think most people here have been very patient with you considering your woefully inadequate attitude. I read what Steve has to say because he can articulate his opinions well, even if I disagree with it. You fail to demonstrate that any serious thought has gone into your opinions, so they are worthless, right or wrong. Malc.

Malc <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:417819c3$0$59475$[email hidden]...

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> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_wTdd.86$[email hidden]... > > > > Greg Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:KpTdd.35731$bk1.25388@fed1read05... > > > > Dude, you might try being decent to others for a change. As of now, > you > > > really are a sad little puppy. > > > p.s. a sure sign of a loser; one older than 13, who still uses the > word > > dude. > > Or maybe one that is trying to talk at a level the 13 year old he > believes himself to be addressing would understand? ;-) > > Give it a rest now please JP, I think most people here have been very > patient with you considering your woefully inadequate attitude. I read > what Steve has to say because he can articulate his opinions well, even > if I disagree with it. You fail to demonstrate that any serious thought > has gone into your opinions, so they are worthless, right or wrong. > > Malc. >

Lol, I "gave it a rest" posts ago Malc. Note the authors of the others. And if you don't like what I post, don't read it. It is public ng, remember ? Go to moderated one if you only like those with similiar opinions. >

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TFVdd.98$[email hidden]... > Lol, I "gave it a rest" posts ago Malc. Note the authors of theothers. > And if you don't like what I post, don't read it. It is public ng,remember > ? Go to moderated one if you only like those with similiar opinions. Once again you demonstrate a less than complete understanding of the post to which you reply JP, I am trying to give you some much needed advice. I'm quite happy to have people disagree with me, and it's not that often that they do on subjective issues, but what I am suggesting you do is to give your opinion (as you so frequently do already) but also to give some explanation as to why you believe your opinion is the right one. You may still be wrong, only time will tell, but people will have more respect for your opinion if you can back it up. By & large RAS is one of the most friendly newsgroups I've seen, and I'd like to help it stay that way. You will get a better response if you think about your posts a bit more before clicking 'submit'. Maybe it would help if you compare a newsgroup to a school playground. Act like a fool & people will ignore you or call you a fool, be helpful & friendly and people will be friendly & helpful back to you. It's really not all that hard if you think about it ;-) Malc.

Malc <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4178efa0$0$48017$[email hidden]...

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> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TFVdd.98$[email hidden]... > > > Lol, I "gave it a rest" posts ago Malc. Note the authors of the > others. > > And if you don't like what I post, don't read it. It is public ng, > remember > > ? Go to moderated one if you only like those with similiar opinions. > > Once again you demonstrate a less than complete understanding of the > post to which you reply JP, I am trying to give you some much needed > advice. > > I'm quite happy to have people disagree with me, and it's not that often > that they do on subjective issues, but what I am suggesting you do is to > give your opinion (as you so frequently do already) but also to give > some explanation as to why you believe your opinion is the right one. > You may still be wrong, only time will tell, but people will have more > respect for your opinion if you can back it up. > > By & large RAS is one of the most friendly newsgroups I've seen, and I'd > like to help it stay that way. You will get a better response if you > think about your posts a bit more before clicking 'submit'. Maybe it > would help if you compare a newsgroup to a school playground. Act like a > fool & people will ignore you or call you a fool, be helpful & friendly > and people will be friendly & helpful back to you. It's really not all > that hard if you think about it ;-) > > Malc.

Thanks for the tips, but fwiw, I've been around ng's, etc., for years now. In terms of whether my opinion is right and whether others think so, I really couldn't care less if they do or not. It's just an opinion, on a ng; just like anyone elses. I have no interest in trying to "convert" or prove that my opinion is right, to someone, on x subject. If they agree fine, if not, who cares.

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ba8ed.130$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the tips, but fwiw, I've been around ng's, etc., foryears now. > In terms of whether my opinion is right and whether others think so, I > really couldn't care less if they do or not. It's just an opinion, ona ng; > just like anyone elses. > I have no interest in trying to "convert" or prove that my opinionis > right, to someone, on x subject. If they agree fine, if not, whocares. Okay bye. Malc.

Nice write up. Thanks Steve. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ml%cd.311397$[email hidden]...

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> Dundrod - An Appreciation > > Wrong and wrong again! All the great GPL vintage tracks have NOT been > released, as I so precipitously proclaimed in my 9/10 Appreciation of > Sergio > Loro's Mellaha (Tripoli) and was subsequently forced to amend in my > Appreciation of John Basara's Monza 10K on 9/27. > > Jim Pearson, he of the superb recreation of the fabled 198-turn, 15.4-mile > Isle of Man circuit (7/12/03), has proved me wrong again with--what > else?--an equally superb recreation of the only-slightly-less-stupendous > Dundrod circuit, altho, strictly speaking, this long (7.4-mile) and > winding > (36-turn) gambol thru Northern Ireland is not contemporaneous with the GPL > era, having last been used for the 1955 running of the famous "TT" > (Tourist > Trophy), which was won that year by a trio of Mercedes-Benz 300SLRs > trouncing a field of Jaguar D-Types and Aston Martin DB3Ss. > > In point of fact, no single-seaters (except bikes) ever ran at Dundrod, > and > given the "country lane" nature of the layout, a field of 3-liter '67 F1 > cars would likely all have ended up in the trees, fences, hedges and > ditches. > > It is *very* narrow. As in real life, passing online or AI cars will be > very difficult, but it is nonetheless (at least for the hot-lapper) a > beautiful romp thru the countryside, which includes homey names like > Flowbog, Rushyhill, and Tornagrough, and authentic-looking signage with > warnings like "Slow! Wet Tar!" and "Delays Possible Until Sept. 9" (the > '53 > TT, simulated here, was staged on Sept. 5). > > Anyone who's driven Mobil 1 Rally Championship will find the scenery > familar > (and a stone delight with eDimensional 3D glasses), as will anyone who's > seen footage of the historic TT in "A Gentleman's Motorracing Diary" or > the > Shell Oil racing films of the day. Pearson's graphics are spot on...and > beautimous. > > Three drivers were killed in the '55 race, and the venue was abandoned for > 4-wheelers as too dangerous (altho bikes continue to race there to this > day). Now, thanks to Jim Pearson, it lives again. His installation > includes a rip-snortin' 3:28.53 lap in a Brabham, and while I'm sure some > Alien can beat that, I can't...and neither could Stirling Moss, who put > his > 300SLR on the pole with a lugubrious 4:48 (that's FOUR-forty-eight) for > its > last race. > > Get Dundrod here: > > http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/Dundrod.html > > --Steve Smith > >

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TRFdd.65$[email hidden]... > <laughter> > > Can you even see from that horse ? > > I just hope someday I can be as worthy as yourself oh majestic one. You ain't got a chance.

Mark Davisons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:417a1537$0$30081$[email hidden]...

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> > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TRFdd.65$[email hidden]... > > <laughter> > > > > Can you even see from that horse ? > > > > I just hope someday I can be as worthy as yourself oh majestic one. > > You ain't got a chance.

You're right; I'd have to take steps backwards.

> > You ain't got a chance. > > > You're right; I'd have to take steps backwards. And you've got balance issues that prevent that, right?

Mark Davisons <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:417a5005$0$3254$[email hidden]...

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> > > > You ain't got a chance. > > > > > > You're right; I'd have to take steps backwards. > > And you've got balance issues that prevent that, right?

Not at all. You ? Silly question; the answer is obvious.

In my commentary on Jim Pearson's wonderful recreation of the historic Dundrod circuit, I noted the startling discrepancy between Jim's lap time in the included replay (3:28) and Stirling Moss' best lap lap in the Mercedes-Benz 300SLR (4:48) in the '55 Tourist Trophy. (According to Guinness, Mike Hawthorn holds the absolute sports-car record at 4:42 in a D-Type Jag.) By highlighting the difference, I didn't mean to impugn the accuracy of Jim's version of this circuit - it reeks of veracity. No one ever got that resonant a "look and feel" without doing his homework. Rather, I believe the difference can be explained by three factors. 1. The changes to the track between the real-world layout that Moss drove in '55 and Jim's version, which simulates the layout used from '65 to the present for motorbike races. 2. The differences between the 300SLR and almost any 1967 Formula 1 machine, but particularly the Brabham BT24. According to this site: http://www.supercars.net/cars/1955@$Mercedes-Benz@$300SLRx.html the 300SLR weighed 1984 lbs. and was powered by a 310-hp straight eight, or 6.4 lbs/hp. The '67 BT24, according to Papy, weighed 1105 lbs. and was powered by a 350-hp V8, or 3.16 lbs/hp, i.e., about twice the scat of the Merc. Moreover, the 300SLR had drum brakes (albeit really huge ones, and unsprung, too, as I remember) vs. the Brab's 4-wheel discs, and most importantly, the older car was on incredibly narrow rims (prob. 5-in.) vs. the F1 car's much wider rims (prob. twice as wide). Racing tire technology had made leaps & bounds in the intervening dozen years as well. 3. Driving technique. If you watch movies of 1950s sports car enduros, you see that the drivers of the day did not fling their cars around with nearly as much abandon as did "Black Jack" Brabham (an old dirt-track meister) did in the 60s, much less with as much verve as Jim does in his replay. While some of the early drivers may have taken hairy chances at short, wide tracks like Silverstone and Sebring, they were much more cautious at long, narrow venues like the Ring, the Targa Florio, and Dundrod. I mean, my God, they had to complete 84 laps (623 miles, over 1000 k's) of the blantantly lethal Ulster circuit. Anyway, all of which is by way of saying that I believe Jim Pearson's Dundrod is as accurate as a brass ruler. --Steve Smith

JP wrote: > <laughter>get lost, asswipe

Fcuk U <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WFSfd.4455$[email hidden]... > JP wrote: > > > <laughter> > get lost, asswipe You say something ?

You must have a bunch more patience than I do JP. His sig alone was enough for him to join the Killfile :) Mitch "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:18Wfd.417$[email hidden]...

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> > Fcuk U <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WFSfd.4455$[email hidden]... >> JP wrote: >> >> > <laughter> >> get lost, asswipe > > You say something ? > > >

Hehe, yeah, saw that too. Don't do killfiles myself though <g> Mitch_A <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:maWfd.947$[email hidden]... > You must have a bunch more patience than I do JP. His sig alone wasenough

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> for him to join the Killfile :) > > Mitch > > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:18Wfd.417$[email hidden]... > > > > Fcuk U <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:WFSfd.4455$[email hidden]... > >> JP wrote: > >> > >> > <laughter> > >> get lost, asswipe > > > > You say something ? > > > > > > > >

I never had either until this election season :) "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DhWfd.422$[email hidden]... > Hehe, yeah, saw that too. Don't do killfiles myself though <g> > >