Papyrus announces SuperTrucks Add-on

Sorry...Just wanted to see who was paying attention. Really though, I don't think it would be difficult to do, and I would be a blast to race Nastrucks. Also...anyone heard plans for Nascar 2.0. I would really like to see Daytona and Indy included in the game. Thanx... Rick Higbee

> Sorry...Just wanted to see who was paying attention. Really though, > I don't think it would be difficult to do, and I would be a blast to > race Nastrucks. Also...anyone heard plans for Nascar 2.0. I would > really like to see Daytona and Indy included in the game. It would be cool, but I don't think they could do it as an add-on. The Supertrucks don't race on many of the same circuits as the WC and BGN cars do (if any). So you'd need a complete set of tracks, along with the mods to the simulation for the truck handling. Also, a number of the rules are different. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy Mitchell | Ivanova is always right. Carleton University | I will listen to Ivanova | Ivanova is GOD! The Babylon-5 Mantra -> | And if this ever happens again, | Ivanova wil personally RIP YOUR LUNGS OUT! ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Indy and Daytona will never be added as long as Papyrus can't get past the problem of not having rights to the tracks..... Until they can get past that, we'll just have to dream about those tracks.....

>>>>Indy and Daytona will never be added as long as Papyrus can't get past the >>>>problem of not having rights to the tracks..... Until they can get past >>>>that, we'll just have to dream about those tracks..... Can someone clear this one up, I know that Sega holds the rights to Daytona. But what about Indy, I mean, Papyrus released it for ICR so why can't they for Nascar. I know it's a logical reason but I don't know what it is. Anyone here know?

SuperTrucks have a halfway pit stop where they stop the race, and I've noticed that the pit area is sometimes behind the wall on the outside of the track. I believe this is a result of the size of the tracks and the fact that most places where SuperTrucks race looks like the same arena as a rodeo. While we're on the subject of add-ons and such. Does anyone know if Papyrus Nascar knows that the BGN cars are 500 pounds lighter than the WC cars. I haven't tried to drive a BGN car yet because I'm too busy with IWCC3 but I was wondering if the program treats them the same, just with different paintjobs and driver names.

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> > Sorry...Just wanted to see who was paying attention. Really though, > > I don't think it would be difficult to do, and I would be a blast to > > race Nastrucks. Also...anyone heard plans for Nascar 2.0. I would > > really like to see Daytona and Indy included in the game. > It would be cool, but I don't think they could do it as an add-on. > The Supertrucks don't race on many of the same circuits as the WC and > BGN cars do (if any). So you'd need a complete set of tracks, along > with the mods to the simulation for the truck handling. Also, a > number of the rules are different. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jeremy Mitchell | Ivanova is always right. > Carleton University | I will listen to Ivanova > | Ivanova is GOD! > The Babylon-5 Mantra -> | And if this ever happens again, > | Ivanova wil personally RIP YOUR LUNGS OUT! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Really though, I don't think it would be difficult to do, and I would be a blast to I have been thinking about that too. If someone was really wanted to, all they would have to do is create the paint schemes (like that is not that much to do ;-) and then just paint the C pilar and part of the roof a shade of gray that blends in with the track pavement. Then you could go Supertruck racing

Ummm, I think the BGN cars are just re-painted Winston Cup Cars, as far as NASCAR Racing game is concerned. It would be nice to see a BGN add-on package, complete with the missing BGN tracks (and race Winston Cup cars there too!)... Myrtle Beach, Hickory, South Boston, Miami, Nazareth, etc... drool...

> Can someone clear this one up, I know that Sega holds the rights to > Daytona. But what about Indy, I mean, Papyrus released it for ICR so > why can't they for Nascar. I know it's a logical reason but I don't > know what it is. Anyone here know? It's not the rights to the track, it's the rights to the name of "Brickyard 400" that get in the way. They can model the track, just not add the race. Doesn't seem a whole lot different to me, but, to a lawyer... Mike

May you cut down a tire and back into a wall at 180. May your roof flaps not deploy. May you pop a throttle spring at Sears Point. May Mr. E***ment give you a Darlington Stripe... Shall I go on? (grin) Me too. Please buy Sega and sell it for parts, selling the exclusive rights for Daytona to Papyrus.

They only had the rights to use it in ICR, not carte blanche whatever they want. I don't know if they will have it in (or an addon for) ICR 2 or not, anyone know for sure? --

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>> Can someone clear this one up, I know that Sega holds the rights to >> Daytona. But what about Indy, I mean, Papyrus released it for ICR so >> why can't they for Nascar. I know it's a logical reason but I don't >> know what it is. Anyone here know? >It's not the rights to the track, it's the rights to the name of >"Brickyard 400" that get in the way. They can model the track, just not >add the race. Doesn't seem a whole lot different to me, but, to a

lawyer... Well, in the current game, not all races are identified by name anyway; i.e., for Atlanta you see the logo for the Purolator 500, but at Watkins Glen, you see just the track logo and not the nefarious "Bud at the Glen." So I don't see why the Brickyard 400 would have to be specifically acknowledged to permit the inclusion of IMS. Earl

> Well, in the current game, not all races are identified by name anyway; > i.e., for Atlanta you see the logo for the Purolator 500, but at Watkins > Glen, you see just the track logo and not the nefarious "Bud at the > Glen." So I don't see why the Brickyard 400 would have to be > specifically acknowledged to permit the inclusion of IMS. You don't see Wallace's Miller Genuine Draft car for the same reason: it's illegal to put tobacco/*** 'advertising' in computer games. As to the thing with the Brickyard the sponsors have claim on the name of the race and would want some cash as well. Which is the stalling point for Papyrus to get the IMS. The folks who own rights to it want too much. Mike

>>>>You don't see Wallace's Miller Genuine Draft car for the same reason: >>>>it's illegal to put tobacco/*** 'advertising' in computer games. As >>>>to the thing with the Brickyard the sponsors have claim on the name of >>>>the race and would want some cash as well. Which is the stalling point >>>>for Papyrus to get the IMS. The folks who own rights to it want too much. >>>>Mike HHHHHHMMMMMMM, I seem to have the Miller Genuine Draft car along with the Bud car. Must be that I have sooo many car sets that I got illegal cars. But no, really, it really stinks that we get shafted like this. I paid about $100 to get ICR with ALL the tracks (in three boxes none the less). It's just really sad what has to be gone through just to get "a track" put in a game. I really like an idea that popped up awhile back about Papyrus "making" their own track that resembled the layout of tracks such as Daytona & IMS but make it a little different (grandstand layout, scenery & such) and call it Papyrus speedway and make up a town to put it in. I'm sure it is A LOT more difficult than that but it sounds reasonable enough. I know I would buy it, heck I've already got so much invested with ICR & Nascar why not get something new for the *ole* game.

<snip> The owners of IMS and Daytona propably wouldn't like this idea. I don't know if it would cause any legal problems, but it could cause problems in getting licences for future games. I don't know how much influence Daytona has over Nascar. Cart propably doesn't care about IMS. At least IRL Racing could be less likely to happen... Pasi.

Has anyone asked Tony George about this?

But what about Indy, I mean, Papyrus released it for ICR so why can't they for Nascar. <<< Our rights to IMS were only for the original IndyCar Racing. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II/NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

Well, in the current game, not all races are identified by name anyway; i.e., for Atlanta you see the logo for the Purolator 500, but at Watkins Glen, you see just the track logo and not the nefarious "Bud at the Glen." <<< There are other reasons that we don't call it "Bud at the Glen." One of which is that we would be unable to sell NASCAR in California if we did so (California doesn't allow the sale of any entertainment item to minors if it promotes *** or tobacco). Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II/NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

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><snip> >>resembled the layout of tracks such as Daytona & IMS but make it a >>little different (grandstand layout, scenery & such) and call it >>Papyrus speedway and make up a town to put it in. I'm sure it is A >The owners of IMS and Daytona propably wouldn't like this idea. I don't >know if it would cause any legal problems, but it could cause problems >in getting licences for future games. I don't know how much influence >Daytona has over Nascar. Cart propably doesn't care about IMS. >At least IRL Racing could be less likely to happen... >Pasi.

How about just making a Track generator, then everyone could make their own track, and maybe someone could come up with the ones that are missing.

Hey Rick. I've been meaning to ask how come the AI is so funky at the Glen. The cars' line through the innerloops is really squared off instead of flat and smooth. Any chance of a patch-fix for that? A good line gets you pounded up throgh there.

how can i get this ad on thanks rustyian

I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to repost this announcement or E-mail me a copy of it. Also, when do they expect this Add-on to be out. Thanks for any info, Andrew -- Andrew Heckman

Hey Rick. I've been meaning to ask how come the AI is so funky at the Glen. The cars' line through the innerloops is really squared off instead of flat and smooth. Any chance of a patch-fix for that? A good line gets you pounded up throgh there. <<< I'll pass this on to the AI guys. Thanks for the suggestion. BTW, I changed the subject line so that people don't think we announced a SuperTrucks add-on. We didn't; somebody started this thread with that title to catch everyone's attention. Rick Genter Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II/NASCAR Racing for Macintosh/Windows Papyrus Design Group, Inc.

Now THAT would be interesting... The car sets "took care of themselves", and gave us the chance to make our own car sets and keep them up to date. It's nice knowing that when 1996 rolls around, there are those talented enough to produce car sets with the latests drivers/schemes. No problems with *** and tobacco stuff!! A Track Generator would allow us pretty much the same. Sure, someone would come up with Daytona and Indy tracks (or something close) but think of all those new tracks we could come up with? I would love to design a few racetracks and try my hand there. Maybe a 1/3 mile oval, maybe a road course (now THAT could be fun! I could setup something like Hockenheim or Brazil F1 courses!) I hope Papyrus is listening!