NASCAR tire life

My problem is that I am always the first car into the pits and I end up losing races due to this. It is always the right front tire that wears out too fast. Atlanta is the track I use the most and my first pit is about 10 laps ahead of everybody else. I have improved upon the ACE setting in this regard, but there must still be room for improvement. I am averaging 175 mph at Atlanta with a 179mph best.(joystick) If you call the PAPYRUS technical advice phone # , will they give you the definative setups for various tracks? I realize that some people enjoy the garage tinkering, but I just want to race! Would anyone like to divulge a setup that gives better speeds than I am getting with also better tire life? I also realize that my driving habits may be contributing to my problem. I try to concentrate on driving the best line and letting off the gas early on the straights so I can power through the turns, but with other cars on the track I tend to do things that wear tires out faster. TIA

Booth) writes: (Karrie Thorne) writes: >> I also realize that my driving habits may be contributing to my >> problem. I try to concentrate on driving the best line and letting off

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>> the gas early on the straights so I can power through the turns, but >> with other cars on the track I tend to do things that wear tires out >> faster. >This sounds a bit like my style as well. No solutions I'm afraid, I'm >trying to keep the screeching down to a minimum to reduce tire >wear. Anyway, a friend of mine and I used to race head to head in >Indycar quite a bit. He was usually faster than me, but *I* was the >one that was having major tire problems. I think I was quite a bit >more heavy handed in the turns than him. I'm trying to master >Atlanta in Nascar at the moment, and tire wear is causing me >some grief. Sometimes I'll get a lovely line through the bends >and be cruising round at 161, others I'm screeching at 145!! >But, it's great to have a sim that models this sort of driving >style 'realistically' !!! >Stuart. >-- >Stuart Booth

Well I would have to say it is your driving style probably. I can consistently win at Atlanta with the stock ACE setup with NO changes. The most important thing in NASCAR is to be smooth in and out of the turns. Also in a long race be easy on the tires, u don't have to turn 175mph every lap, ease off a bit. I found that when I tried to go superfast every lap my tires wore quickly whereas when I eased up a bit I could pit 10-15 laps after the computer cars (when fuel wasn't a problem I mean.) Hope that helps.

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> > I also realize that my driving habits may be contributing to my > > problem. I try to concentrate on driving the best line and letting off > > the gas early on the straights so I can power through the turns, but > > with other cars on the track I tend to do things that wear tires out > > faster. > This sounds a bit like my style as well. No solutions I'm afraid, I'm > trying to keep the screeching down to a minimum to reduce tire > wear. Anyway, a friend of mine and I used to race head to head in > Indycar quite a bit. He was usually faster than me, but *I* was the > one that was having major tire problems. I think I was quite a bit > more heavy handed in the turns than him. I'm trying to master > Atlanta in Nascar at the moment, and tire wear is causing me > some grief. Sometimes I'll get a lovely line through the bends > and be cruising round at 161, others I'm screeching at 145!! > Stuart.

Apart from your driving it could be that your setup is good but you have _too much_ steering lock which has the effect that the car gets very sensitive. <snip> -- -- Terje Wold Johansen "I am your inferior superior." -- -- Dept. of Informatics -- -- University of Oslo, Norway --

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>My problem is that I am always the first car into the pits and I end up >losing races due to this. It is always the right front tire that wears >out too fast. >Atlanta is the track I use the most and my first pit is about 10 laps >ahead of everybody else. I have improved upon the ACE setting in this >regard, but there must still be room for improvement. >I am averaging 175 mph at Atlanta with a 179mph best.(joystick) >If you call the PAPYRUS technical advice phone # , will they give you >the definative setups for various tracks? I realize that some people >enjoy the garage tinkering, but I just want to race! >Would anyone like to divulge a setup that gives better speeds than I am >getting with also better tire life? >I also realize that my driving habits may be contributing to my >problem. I try to concentrate on driving the best line and letting off >the gas early on the straights so I can power through the turns, but >with other cars on the track I tend to do things that wear tires out >faster. >TIA

Go into the NASCAR file area on Papyrus BBS and d/l a copy of NCCRW.ZIP. This is a real good setup manual for the sim which uses Atlanta as an example of how to dial in your setup. It's superior to the info in the manual in many respects. Go #24 #18 #42: race on!

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> > > I also realize that my driving habits may be contributing to my > > > problem. > > This sounds a bit like my style as well. No solutions I'm afraid, I'm > > trying to keep the screeching down to a minimum to reduce tire > > wear. > Apart from your driving it could be that your setup is good but > you have _too much_ steering lock which has the effect that the car > gets very sensitive.

Try a steering lock of 7 or 8 degrees, it will help you get through the corners without wearing the tires (if you keep a larger wheel lock, the thing you do when you steer is that you steer the wheels too far, so they get sorta blocked and wear much faster). The major points of improvement for faster laps without enormous wear of the tires is changing the stagger, camber and shocks - a good setup guide is the nncar.zip or something like this - it's in Windows write format and can be found at didnt.doit.wisc.edu in the NASCAR directory (read the info when you enter to find that dir). If you can't get it there, EMail me and maybe I will send you a copy... \|||/ Ivo J.W. Cleuren \|||/ I Tilburg University I O The Netherlands! O

>The major points of improvement for faster laps without enormous wear of the >tires is changing the stagger, camber and shocks - a good setup guide >is the nncar.zip or something like this - it's in Windows write format and >can be found at didnt.doit.wisc.edu in the NASCAR directory (read the info >when you enter to find that dir). Thanks for the tips. Very useful. I'll have another rummage around there sometime soon. Cheers, Stuart. From the bedroom of Stuart Booth...