Papyrus next project??

I was just curious. Does anyone know if Papyrus will be doing a Formula-1 simulation? I know that Microprose has World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical that they would move into F-1. Any ideas or comments? Also, does anyone know if Papyrus will release a revamped version of IndyCar with all the fixes and new features in NASCAR that are appicable? Thanks alot! Jeffrey K. Stier

: I was just curious. Does anyone know if Papyrus will be : doing a Formula-1 simulation? I know that Microprose has If Microprose is making good work with F1GP II is see no need for Papyrus F1 in near future. F1GP was excellent when it came out, and I'm hoping F1GP II will be equally good compared to today's "standards". When the Microprose licence to make F1 games expires? : World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and : NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical : that they would move into F-1. Any ideas or comments? Personally I'd like to see truck racing simulation. I don't know what kind of truck series are in US if any, but the european series is fun to watch. Big cars, more than enough power, road courses and speed limiters to 160 km/h (100 mph) make the races close. Drag racing might interesting, but it should be quite complicated on setup or it could become boring soon (weather and track sufrace effects varying between tracks/starts, etc). Pasi.

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>: I was just curious. Does anyone know if Papyrus will be >: doing a Formula-1 simulation? I know that Microprose has >If Microprose is making good work with F1GP II is see no need for >Papyrus F1 in near future. F1GP was excellent when it came out, and I'm >hoping F1GP II will be equally good compared to today's "standards". >When the Microprose licence to make F1 games expires? >: World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and >: NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical >: that they would move into F-1. Any ideas or comments? >Personally I'd like to see truck racing simulation. I don't know what >kind of truck series are in US if any, but the european series is fun >to watch. Big cars, more than enough power, road courses and speed >limiters to 160 km/h (100 mph) make the races close. >Drag racing might interesting, but it should be quite complicated on setup >or it could become boring soon (weather and track sufrace effects varying >between tracks/starts, etc).

How about a motorcycle racing simulator. Setup would probably be boring since things like stagger, sway bar etc.. are have no meaning on bikes. The thought of a Indycar/NASCAR type sim with a tilting horizon makes me *** my chops. As far as I know, nobody has ever attempted this. There are some cycle games (i.e Accolade Cyclemania) but no real simulators. A good rally or offroad simulator would be fun. Q-Rally just doesnt do it for me at all (Good Concept, bad program).

Well, I've played a few and know of others. TT Racer on the Sinclair Spectrum was the first - and it was surprisingly good considering the platform it was on. It did have some setup stuff, mainly to do with playing with your gear ratios. The tilted horizon worked well but it needed a better frame-rate. No Second Prize on the Amiga is not a very serious bike simulation, but it is hell of a fun to play. *Very* smooth vector graphics and the tilting horizon really adds to the feel. I keep moving my head whenever I play it. :-) I think Electronic Arts released a cycle-racing game soon after they did Indy 500 (for the Amiga). The title "Red Zone" comes to mind but I have no idea if this is even close to being the correct name. I never got hold of it - most reviews said it was quite realistic and pretty good - but very hard to learn. -- Thomas Beagle | A beagle a day keeps the doctor at bay. Wellington, NZ | 4-479-6306 (home) 4-233-8186 (work)

>Subject: Re: Papyrus next project?? >Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:27:56 흽 Papyrus cannot release any info on their next project at this time. The following info does come from reliable sources: 1. No plans to update IndyCar at this time. 2. No plans to add Miami to the IndyCar track collection. 3. Information on the next project will be available when the next new project press release comes out. I'd imagine 2Q-95. This certainly opens the discussion and speculation as to what could be next. How about a Baja or motocross sim? If Microprose still has plans to do F1, I don't think Papyrus should waste their time on that project. I'm sure MP's sim will be terrific. If their recent flight sims are any indication, a new Formula Grand Prix/World Circuit may just blow us away. I look for Papyrus to try something entirely different. Heck, how about a first person decathalon competition? But my money is on a Speed boat sim. Opinions? Ralf Southard

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>>Subject: Re: Papyrus next project?? >>Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:27:56 흽 >Papyrus cannot release any info on their next project at this time. The >following info does come from reliable sources: >1. No plans to update IndyCar at this time. >2. No plans to add Miami to the IndyCar track collection. >3. Information on the next project will be available when the next new >project press release comes out. I'd imagine 2Q-95. >This certainly opens the discussion and speculation as to what could be next. >How about a Baja or motocross sim? If Microprose still has plans to do F1, I >don't think Papyrus should waste their time on that project. I'm sure MP's >sim will be terrific. If their recent flight sims are any indication, a new >Formula Grand Prix/World Circuit may just blow us away. >I look for Papyrus to try something entirely different. Heck, how about a >first person decathalon competition? >But my money is on a Speed boat sim. >Opinions?

I'm hoping they'll put out a good quality Motorcycle Roadracing Sim for either World Superbike, World Grand Prix, or AMA Superbike. I'm sure this would be a nice challenge for the programmers. >Ralf Southard Alex

Personally, I'd love to see a motorcycle racing simulation, especially now that an Aussie is world champion... To my knowledge, there has never been a decent bike sim, I think the market is waiting for one.

Well no one has come up with a decent Rally sim yet. A couple of efforts have hit the market but nothing of the quality of ICR or F1GP. Regards, Louis

: I was just curious. Does anyone know if Papyrus will be : doing a Formula-1 simulation? I know that Microprose has : World-Circuit out, but IndyCar Racing was a big hit and : NASCAR seems destined to surpass that, it only seems logical : that they would move into F-1. Any ideas or comments? : Also, does anyone know if Papyrus will release a revamped : version of IndyCar with all the fixes and new features in : NASCAR that are appicable? : : Thanks alot! : : Jeffrey K. Stier I'd like to see a good 4wd/off road simulator (stadium races, BAJA, etc.) or a good ol' redneckin' big tires & loud exhaust game (anyone ever see street rod & street rod 2? something along that line but with the complexities of suspen- sion & engine tuning, & better controls) :

What, are you all nuts? Let's get sideways! Sprint car simulation, anyone? On dirt? I heard some remark that they wanted to put in the ability to get upside-down into the NASCAR simulation, but didn't want to delay the release any more. Well, I say go ahead and program it in, get some dirt trackin' in (definitely need analogue accelerator (pedals or pushing forward on a flight yoke)), and have a blast! Use less sophisticated graphics, for a blindingly fast frame rate (close quarters racing needs it), a panoramic view (in lieu of hardware to allow head tilting) ... Or how about an MTEG simulator, just the trucks, or other classes too? Anyway, about a motorcycle sim/game with tilting view: Yes, Amiga Red Zone, by Psygnosis, has this. It's very difficult, but fun. The problem is with the other bikes; they don't behave right and your sense of how close you are to them isn't there (rather like F1GP, really). (Not to mention you never wiggle under acceleration. It's a game rather than a simulation (again, like F1GP).) --

: How about a motorcycle racing simulator. Setup would probably be boring : since things like stagger, sway bar etc.. are have no meaning on bikes. No, not really. On bike you have intricate suspension setups. You can adjust front and rear ride height, f/r preload, f/r compression damping, f/r rebound damping, f/r spring rates, etc. This would provide some detail in the setups. Heck, be cruel and throw in carb jetting, unless it's a GP game with fuel injected GP bikes. It be the first motorcycle "sim" I think. I've only seen motorcycle games. : The thought of a Indycar/NASCAR type sim with a tilting horizon makes me :*** my chops. As far as I know, nobody has ever attempted this. There : are some cycle games (i.e Accolade Cyclemania) but no real simulators. ICR version 2.0 would be incredible!! Darrel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- __&__ | Darrel Cherry / \ | San Jose State Math/Computer Science C ,---_) ------------------------------------------------------ | |,___| "I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance | \__/ is futile. Preparation is futi...MMMmmm...doughnut!" /_____\ /_____/ \ -------------------------------------------------------------------------

>: How about a motorcycle racing simulator. Setup would probably be boring >: since things like stagger, sway bar etc.. are have no meaning on bikes. > No, not really. On bike you have intricate suspension setups. You > can adjust front and rear ride height, f/r preload, f/r compression > damping, f/r rebound damping, f/r spring rates, etc. This would provide > some detail in the setups. Quite. The set up of a motorcycles suspension is very tricky...And if the sim had different road surfaces, this would be the ultimate challenge. No matter how sticky a front tyre is on the bike, with out the springs keeping it on the road, you still have no grip. Actually only Honda have experimented with EFI on 2-stroke GP 500's. This is more of an issue in WSC with Ducati and now Honda using electronic fuel and air mixers. Accolade's Cycles is a bit dated now, but was a not too bad attempt when it was released. It was the first sim I saw that had a non-flat road surface - ie hills etc. Maybe, but a 500GP/WSC sim would be NEW! There are quite a few car sims that are very good, but the bike sim market has been neglected so long now. Hell, I might just have to stop buying all great other sims until Microprose or someone actually gives me what a really want... Julian -- Who is this General Failure anyway? And why is he reading drive A ?

>What, are you all nuts? >Let's get sideways! Sprint car simulation, anyone? On dirt? {Stuff deleted} That would be great! 'Course off-road would be real nice :) Mickey Thompson Stadium racing :)) +----------------------+--------------------+---------------------- | Sr. Software Engineer | (407) 677-8333 x135 | switching to shotgun!"| | Micro Design Int. | (407) 677-0221 FAX | | +----------------------+--------------------+----------------------

True, the setup of a motorcycle can be tricky but I was speaking in terms of the ICR type of suspension changes (Shock stiffness controls all parameters at once). If this was all that was on a bike sim, it would be boring.

Hi all: I guess what I'd like to see next is an even better Indy car sim. There are many areas for improvement still. The AI can be improved even though I wouldn't call it bad right now. I believe the handling or feel of the cars can be improved as well. Feature like racing via the network can make the game very very interesting. Imagine if instead of submitting your race results for the ICR challange, you actually race head to head with another 10 or 20 other real people at the same time ! This can make competing in these events real challanging and real fun. Waiting for ICR 2.0 Too early to wait for a VIRTUAL REALITY INDYCAR SIM ! Mohamad ======================================================================= straight ..left ..straight ..left ...straight ..left ..straight ..left ... full power..no need to shift... Don't fall asleep ... It's oval time .. Accelerate ...late breaking皌 shifting ...quickest on power (don't get 'er side ways).. going through the gearbox few times per lap.... chicanes ..s's...hairpins ...a whole bunch of different corners .. ..high speed bends ...outbreaking.. out accelerating ....slip streaming.. Time to test your overall driving skill ? Get busy .... It's circuit time. =====================================================================

Nah... I'd like to see a decent rallycross sim. Neal Rayner.

Here's something for all the mac lovers there. How about converting the NASCAR and INDYcar games out there to be used on a Mac??? Da Bear