GTR is officially released.

I guess it's time for another new video card... like the guy below, whats the best bang for the buck right now(agp only)?

>I guess it's time for another new video card... like the guy below, whats >the best bang for the buck right now(agp only)? As far as GTR goes, ATI 9800 Pro.

Woohoo, hurry up UPS!!! "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I guess it's time for another new video card... like the guy below, whats > >the best bang for the buck right now(agp only)? > > As far as GTR goes, ATI 9800 Pro. > >

Where is it available and in what platform? Timmy

In Germany and on PC. "Timmy Ferrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%ZZhd.68224$[email hidden]... > Where is it available and in what platform? > Timmy >

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:34:55 -0800, "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote something like: >In Germany and on PC. And it's in german, pit radio and all. But I still ordered it from amazon.de. They should have the english version in the shops here in Finland (and most likely in rest of the world too) in 1Q/2005... couldn't wait =) -- - Jussi Koukku -

> I think I have to download the pirate version of german game. I want to > play it now, not 2005! Good luck - it's protected by Starforce 3. It'll probaby be released in English before it's cracked.

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> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:34:55 -0800, "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> > wrote something like: > >>In Germany and on PC. > > And it's in german, pit radio and all. But I still ordered it from > amazon.de. They should have the english version in the shops here in > Finland (and most likely in rest of the world too) in 1Q/2005... > couldn't wait =) > -- > - Jussi Koukku -

I think I have to download the pirate version of german game. I want to play it now, not 2005! There is no sense from developer to publish the german version first. When the english version come out I will buy it but I think many people will not becouse of this stupid realease politic. GR

"Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss�:[email hidden]... >> I think I have to download the pirate version of german game. I want to >> play it now, not 2005! > > Good luck - it's protected by Starforce 3. It'll probaby be released in > English before it's cracked. Starforce 3 is not difficult to crack :) Few days and then...

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:49:50 +0200, "Jussi" <[email hidden]> wrote something like: >I think I have to download the pirate version of german game. I want to play >it now, not 2005! I wanted to play it now too, but instead of stealing it, I bought it from amazon.de. Should be here in 5 - 9 working days. Cost me 5EUR more than the listed price at playerone.fi. >There is no sense from developer to publish the german version first. When >the english version come out I will buy it but I think many people will not >becouse of this stupid realease politic. Developers don't publish games, publishers do. And AFAIK Simbin doesn't even have a worldwide publisher yet. 10tacel (german publisher) decided to publish the german version of the game earlier as it won't hurt the later sales of the english version. Germany is a rather large market are, and apparently racing games sell very well over there. So it makes perfect sense to publish GTR in Germany soon as possible. I don't like it any more than you do, but it still makes sense... BTW, if they would've signed a publisher well in advance, the game might have been in the shops earlier, but it might have been totally different kind of game (console, all arcade... in worst case scenario). What I'm trying to say is that publishers usually have quite a lot to say in game development, and the way Simbin chose to make GTR (independently) was IMO a good way. -- - Jussi Koukku -

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> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:49:50 +0200, "Jussi" <[email hidden]> wrote > something like: > >>I think I have to download the pirate version of german game. I want to >>play >>it now, not 2005! > > I wanted to play it now too, but instead of stealing it, I bought it > from amazon.de. Should be here in 5 - 9 working days. Cost me 5EUR > more than the listed price at playerone.fi.

As I said, I will buy the enlish version. I don't want to buy same game two times :)

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> >>There is no sense from developer to publish the german version first. When >>the english version come out I will buy it but I think many people will >>not >>becouse of this stupid realease politic. > > Developers don't publish games, publishers do. And AFAIK Simbin > doesn't even have a worldwide publisher yet. 10tacel (german > publisher) decided to publish the german version of the game earlier > as it won't hurt the later sales of the english version. Germany is a > rather large market are, and apparently racing games sell very well > over there. So it makes perfect sense to publish GTR in Germany soon > as possible. I don't like it any more than you do, but it still makes > sense...

I think publishing game wordwide same time will make more money to developers and publishers.

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> > BTW, if they would've signed a publisher well in advance, the game > might have been in the shops earlier, but it might have been totally > different kind of game (console, all arcade... in worst case > scenario). What I'm trying to say is that publishers usually have > quite a lot to say in game development, and the way Simbin chose to > make GTR (independently) was IMO a good way.

I have been waiting for this game so long and I expected that game will be realased in november.... Now they tell as that it will be realased in February 2005. That gets me angry ;) > - Jussi Koukku -

" Xpand Rally was protected with StarForce 3.3, including its virtual machine and all options (memory blocks checksum, floating code, etc.)" but was released last week. :-/ "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>> I think I have to download the pirate version of german game. I want to >> play it now, not 2005! > > Good luck - it's protected by Starforce 3. It'll probaby be released in > English before it's cracked. > >

And: Publishers profit from sales, developers don't. So, in order to get what we want, we would want independant developers making a magnificent sim, then taking it to the publisher in order to get it to the shelves. I have always said that 'profit' ruin everything, unless you're amongst the majority making grounds for the profit. In order to get the sim we want, there shouldn't be *any* kind of profit *anywhere* in the process. :-) So, what is the best development environment for the sims *we* want? Open source, open development, open testing. Sourceforge would be a great place to start. The problem arises when a team decides to go black, shut down web pages, and start charging for the code everybody has developed. ---Asgeir--- Jussi Koukku wrote:

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> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:49:50 +0200, "Jussi" <[email hidden]> wrote > something like: > > >>I think I have to download the pirate version of german game. I want to play >>it now, not 2005! > > > I wanted to play it now too, but instead of stealing it, I bought it > from amazon.de. Should be here in 5 - 9 working days. Cost me 5EUR > more than the listed price at playerone.fi. > > >>There is no sense from developer to publish the german version first. When >>the english version come out I will buy it but I think many people will not >>becouse of this stupid realease politic. > > > Developers don't publish games, publishers do. And AFAIK Simbin > doesn't even have a worldwide publisher yet. 10tacel (german > publisher) decided to publish the german version of the game earlier > as it won't hurt the later sales of the english version. Germany is a > rather large market are, and apparently racing games sell very well > over there. So it makes perfect sense to publish GTR in Germany soon > as possible. I don't like it any more than you do, but it still makes > sense... > > BTW, if they would've signed a publisher well in advance, the game > might have been in the shops earlier, but it might have been totally > different kind of game (console, all arcade... in worst case > scenario). What I'm trying to say is that publishers usually have > quite a lot to say in game development, and the way Simbin chose to > make GTR (independently) was IMO a good way. > -- > - Jussi Koukku -

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:30:44 +0100, Asgeir Nesoen <[email hidden]> wrote something like: >Publishers profit from sales, developers don't. So, in order to get what >we want, we would want independant developers making a magnificent sim, >then taking it to the publisher in order to get it to the shelves. Or do it like the LFS guys did... develop it independently, and publish it through internet independently. >So, what is the best development environment for the sims *we* want? >Open source, open development, open testing. Sourceforge would be a You just pretty much described MOTORSPORT, the RSC community project: http://forum.rscnet.org/forumdisplay.php?f=577 Just hope it doesn't go belly up =) -- - Jussi Koukku -

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:45:59 +0200, "Jussi" <[email hidden]> wrote something like: >As I said, I will buy the enlish version. I don't want to buy same game two >times :) Ok, cool. Missed that in your previous post, sorry. >I think publishing game wordwide same time will make more money to >developers and publishers. Well, 10Tacel probably couldn't care less about worldwide sales. And I can't really see how Simbin is losing money by releasing a german version few months ahead of the english version. I doubt that any average p2p user would bother with the german version anyway. They'll wait for the english version to be cracked ;) >I have been waiting for this game so long and I expected that game will be >realased in november.... >Now they tell as that it will be realased in February 2005. That gets me >angry ;) Been there... =) -- - Jussi Koukku -

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> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:45:59 +0200, "Jussi" <[email hidden]> wrote > something like: > >>As I said, I will buy the enlish version. I don't want to buy same game >>two >>times :) > > Ok, cool. Missed that in your previous post, sorry.

It's ok :) I always buy the good games but I have been waiting this game so long. Thats why I thing downloading the German version is not so bad cos I will buy the English version anyvay

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> >>I think publishing game wordwide same time will make more money to >>developers and publishers. > > Well, 10Tacel probably couldn't care less about worldwide sales. And I > can't really see how Simbin is losing money by releasing a german > version few months ahead of the english version. I doubt that any > average p2p user would bother with the german version anyway. They'll > wait for the english version to be cracked ;)

Maybe you're right :) But I'm a hardcore sim driver and I have to get the game as soon as possible :) -jussi-

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> >>I have been waiting for this game so long and I expected that game will be >>realased in november.... >>Now they tell as that it will be realased in February 2005. That gets me >>angry ;) > > Been there... =) > -- > - Jussi Koukku -

Looks very nice, I may indeed sign up to help the project come true. The problem of sorting out who to put where seems to be a huge problem. I think racing simmers generally have a lot of knowledge on physics, so the list of possible contributors must be *huge*! ---Asgeir--- Jussi Koukku wrote: <snipped>

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> > You just pretty much described MOTORSPORT, the RSC community project: > http://forum.rscnet.org/forumdisplay.php?f=577 > > Just hope it doesn't go belly up =) > -- > - Jussi Koukku -