NASCAR By Papyrus?

-> Somewhere, I saw a message that Papyrus was going to do a NASCAR -> version. Does anyone know when it will be out? Are there any sneek -> peek demos available??? in the september issue of PCGAMER there is a great artical on it.... starts 0n page 8... it looks like an incredible game... expecially the svga option... doesn't say anything about a demo though... later... brent f.

in the september issue of PCGAMER there is a great artical on it.... starts 0n page 8... it looks like an incredible game... expecially the svga option... doesn't say anything about a demo though... later... brent f. =================================================== The Papyrus BBS has a .zip file which contains 8 screen shots from the upcoming game -- it is AWESOME in 640x480 mode. I just hope that my 486 DX2-66 can handle it! Rob

Geez, is ICR actually running in 320x200 mode now? I'm already having marginal trouble at the current res with everything turned on, and I'm on a DX2-66... --- Brian Wong Product Marketing Engineering 415-336-0082 Palo Alto, CA 94303

Quoted text (10 lines)

>Engineering) >Subject: Re: NASCAR By Papyrus? >Date: 17 Aug 1994 19:39:47 GMT >>The Papyrus BBS has a .zip file which contains 8 screen shots from the >>upcoming game -- it is AWESOME in 640x480 mode. I just hope that my 486 >>DX2-66 can handle it! >Geez, is ICR actually running in 320x200 mode now? I'm already having >marginal trouble at the current res with everything turned on, and I'm >on a DX2-66...

Perhaps it is your video card that causes causing the slow down. Ralf Southard

That's bull. I get good frame rate on my 386-40mhz with most options turned on most tracks.

>>Geez, is ICR actually running in 320x200 mode now? I'm already having >>marginal trouble at the current res with everything turned on, and I'm >>on a DX2-66... >That's bull. I get good frame rate on my 386-40mhz with most options turned >on most tracks. I should be clearer on this. I get to turn everything on, but my frame rate drops to 11/sec, while my little DX2-40 portable can do 15 fps! I've gotten used to 15 fps so 11 fps looks rough to me. This is why I called it "marginal". It's still playable, but with 4x the data, I wonder how well I'll keep up. --- Brian Wong Product Marketing Engineering 415-336-0082 Palo Alto, CA 94303

Quoted text (10 lines)

>386-33 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24 = 9 fps / 100% processor occupancy >486-50 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24X = 20 fps / 100% >486DX2-66 VLB - Diamond Stealth 32 = 25 fps / 70% >I only got any good at World Circuit after I got the 486-50. So, you >can see how much faster a DX2-66 VLB is than a 386-33 ISA (or 386-40) >and in my experience the fps is critical to the success in a race. >-- >Portland TrailBlazers Pacific Division Champs: 1978, 1991, 1992 | >NBA Champs: 1977 Western Conference Champs: 1977, 1990, 1992 | >Manchester United FA Premiership Champions: 1993, 1994 |

What program can determine fps, so that I may test my machine? thanks, jay

>>Geez, is ICR actually running in 320x200 mode now? I'm already having >>marginal trouble at the current res with everything turned on, and I'm >>on a DX2-66... >That's bull. I get good frame rate on my 386-40mhz with most options turned >on most tracks. You must be running in slow motion yourself then. My old 486-50 ISA was barely quick enough for driving by myself. I'd usually crach on the pace lap of a race thanks to the 1 second plus lag between joystick movement and response. On my DX2-66 VLB w/ Stealth 32 it is pretty good except for the very start of the pace lap. Considering a game needs to do about 15 fps before it looks smooth yours and that's just about what mine does, then yours must be jerky as hell (by my definition 6-8 fps, which is what you must be getting, is jerky as hell). Anyway, I couldn't enjoy this game until I got my VLB motherboard. BTW, to compare, here is World Circuit's frame rate on the 3 machines I've had since it came out: 386-33 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24 = 9 fps / 100% processor occupancy 486-50 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24X = 20 fps / 100% 486DX2-66 VLB - Diamond Stealth 32 = 25 fps / 70% I only got any good at World Circuit after I got the 486-50. So, you can see how much faster a DX2-66 VLB is than a 386-33 ISA (or 386-40) and in my experience the fps is critical to the success in a race. -- Portland TrailBlazers Pacific Division Champs: 1978, 1991, 1992 | NBA Champs: 1977 Western Conference Champs: 1977, 1990, 1992 | Manchester United FA Premiership Champions: 1993, 1994 |

(Brian Wong - SMCC Product Marketing Engineering) writes: I should be clearer on this. I get to turn everything on, but my frame rate drops to 11/sec, while my little DX2-40 portable can do 15 fps! I've gotten used to 15 fps so 11 fps looks rough to me. This is why I called it "marginal". It's still playable, but with 4x the data, I wonder how well I'll keep up. =================================================== Actually, it is not 4x the data. From looking at the screen shots it seems to me that the update area is at least half the size of the indycar by the nature of the window in NASCARs, so with improvement over the original 3D code, it should run just about as good as IndyCar does. Rob

>What program can determine fps, so that I may test my machine? It's built into World Circuit - just turn on all detail and see what your processor occupancy is. If above 100, reduce the number of frames until you get 100 percent (use the "o" key during the game) No idea how to do it in ICR - just use manual detail and keep adding until the thing gets jerky. Especially when in a tight formation on the starting grid you can tell differences. I compared a 486/66 with ATI Ultra Pro 32 against a brand new Dell Pentium 90 with Number9 GXE video: forget the 486 stuff for the upcoming NASCAR hi-rez mode: even Indycar was noticably smoother on the Pentium!

Quoted text (21 lines)

>>386-33 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24 = 9 fps / 100% processor occupancy >>486-50 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24X = 20 fps / 100% >>486DX2-66 VLB - Diamond Stealth 32 = 25 fps / 70% >>I only got any good at World Circuit after I got the 486-50. So, you >>can see how much faster a DX2-66 VLB is than a 386-33 ISA (or 386-40) >>and in my experience the fps is critical to the success in a race. >>-- >>Portland TrailBlazers Pacific Division Champs: 1978, 1991, 1992 | >>NBA Champs: 1977 Western Conference Champs: 1977, 1990, 1992 | >>Manchester United FA Premiership Champions: 1993, 1994 | >What program can determine fps, so that I may test my machine? >thanks, >jay

I run WC on a Pentium 60 mhz/ 8mb ram and get Proc. occupancy readouts of up to 170 %. Does anyone else get this? Rob.

>>386-33 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24 = 9 fps / 100% processor occupancy >>486-50 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24X = 20 fps / 100% >>486DX2-66 VLB - Diamond Stealth 32 = 25 fps / 70% >What program can determine fps, so that I may test my machine? These are the optimal frame rates in World Circuit. You can change the frame rate and then check the processor occupancy by pressing 'o' while driving. The idea is to set the fps so that you get as close to 100% without going over it (hmm, sounds like a popular card game). If you want a benchmark that gives its result in fps the try 3D Bench. -- Portland TrailBlazers Pacific Division Champs: 1978, 1991, 1992 | NBA Champs: 1977 Western Conference Champs: 1977, 1990, 1992 | Manchester United FA Premiership Champions: 1993, 1994 |

Quoted text (32 lines)

>>>Geez, is ICR actually running in 320x200 mode now? I'm already having >>>marginal trouble at the current res with everything turned on, and I'm >>>on a DX2-66... >>That's bull. I get good frame rate on my 386-40mhz with most options turned >>on most tracks. >You must be running in slow motion yourself then. My old 486-50 ISA was >barely quick enough for driving by myself. I'd usually crach on the pace >lap of a race thanks to the 1 second plus lag between joystick movement >and response. On my DX2-66 VLB w/ Stealth 32 it is pretty good except >for the very start of the pace lap. Considering a game needs to do >about 15 fps before it looks smooth yours and that's just about what >mine does, then yours must be jerky as hell (by my definition 6-8 fps, >which is what you must be getting, is jerky as hell). Anyway, I couldn't >enjoy this game until I got my VLB motherboard. >BTW, to compare, here is World Circuit's frame rate on the 3 machines I've >had since it came out: >386-33 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24 = 9 fps / 100% processor occupancy >486-50 ISA - Diamond Speedstar 24X = 20 fps / 100% >486DX2-66 VLB - Diamond Stealth 32 = 25 fps / 70% >I only got any good at World Circuit after I got the 486-50. So, you >can see how much faster a DX2-66 VLB is than a 386-33 ISA (or 386-40) >and in my experience the fps is critical to the success in a race. >-- >Portland TrailBlazers Pacific Division Champs: 1978, 1991, 1992 | >NBA Champs: 1977 Western Conference Champs: 1977, 1990, 1992 | >Manchester United FA Premiership Champions: 1993, 1994 |

Hmm, you must have your machine set up pretty badly (no flame intended). ICR is perfectly acceptable on my 486Dx33 with WD90C31 ISA card, full detail with full number of opponents. At a guess, it's about 17-20fps Also, World circuit at 25fps gives me about 70% processor occupancy peak, it is usually lower.... Frame rate on WC _is_ critical though, as the keys seem to be scanned each frame... Just my personal findings (BTW Doom runs lovely and smooth too :-) William -------------- Acorn Computers, Cambridge, England.