tried Thrustmaster Pro FCS w/ ICR or WC?

Has anyone out there tried the Thrustmaster Pro Flight Control System with ICR or World Circuit? I was wondering if the stiffer springs add anything to a driving sim. I'm getting a new system and I fell in love with this joystick when I felt it. But would I still be better off with one of the T1 units if I don't care about the peddles? Thanks, -Bill -- ****************************************************************************** Bill Mette | "People are personally responsible for keeping themselves ******************************************************************************

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|> Has anyone out there tried the Thrustmaster Pro Flight Control System |> with ICR or World Circuit? I was wondering if the stiffer springs add |> anything to a driving sim. |> I'm getting a new system and I fell in love with this joystick when I |> felt it. But would I still be better off with one of the T1 units if I |> don't care about the peddles? |> |> Thanks, |> -Bill |>

I have both and the T1 is much better for driving than any joystick. Also, the pedals really can improve your times as you get proportional throttle and brake in a reasonable way. -- Mike Corrigan

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>Subject: Re: tried Thrustmaster Pro FCS w/ ICR or WC? >Date: 15 Aug 1994 18:04:10 GMT >|> Has anyone out there tried the Thrustmaster Pro Flight Control System >|> with ICR or World Circuit? I was wondering if the stiffer springs add >|> anything to a driving sim. >|> I'm getting a new system and I fell in love with this joystick when I >|> felt it. But would I still be better off with one of the T1 units if I >|> don't care about the peddles? >|> >|> Thanks, >|> -Bill >|> >I have both and the T1 is much better for driving than any joystick. >Also, the pedals really can improve your times as you get proportional >throttle and brake in a reasonable way.

-------- Going in the other direction, can the T1 pedals be used as rudders? I have the full thrustmaster flight set (RCS, PFCS w/ 20# springs, and a WCS II). I hate the RCS, and would gladly replace it with something reasonable. For my taste, the PFCS is a bit too stiff for driving. The feather weight springs in my old FCS lets me rest my hand on the base, and wiggle it from the bottom. But I can't reach the hat or switches from there (the hat seems ideal as a gear shift). The WCS is somewhat usable as the gas and brake in ICR. Just put the WCS on the bottom detent before you hit enter in the calibration screen. It's less than ideal, though. The throw for full throttle is a bit on the long side, and proportional braking is a bit of a joke with what's remaining. (But after 800 hours of stick time in Falcon 3, you form a mindset that this is how ALL sim's should be played. :) I woke up this morning with an impulse to buy a T1; thankfully, my local supplier doesn't stock it. What am I missing? Mike.

Hi again, Not only would I like to get a CD-Rom drive (as per yesterday's post) but I'm also sort of shopping around a bit for "rudder" pedals that would work nicely as gas/brake combo with Indycar. I currently have a CH-Products Virtual Pilot yoke (which works extremely well for ICR), but just is not versitile enough for my liking to permit standard shifting during play. (I HATE pushing and pulling it for a driving sims so I'm running out of axis' :) ). Anyone out there got any good suggestions on a combination that would function nicely with my configuration (and that wouldn't cost me a re-morgage of all I own)? I contacted IDD (pg 77 Computer *** World - August) with respect to their "PC-Pedals" but alas, though nice, they are VERY pricey ringing in at just under $250 (US) <yikes!> A shame as they look strudy and even includes a 'clutch' ;-) (anyone tried these?). Thanks...... -- Christopher Goucher This be the end My opinions are MY opinions (so be gentle! :) )

|> >Subject: Re: tried Thrustmaster Pro FCS w/ ICR or WC? |> >Date: 15 Aug 1994 18:04:10 GMT |> --snip-- |> |> Going in the other direction, can the T1 pedals be used as rudders? I have the Yes, the T1 pedals can be used as rudders. I haven't tried it, but I've heard from others that it works. The way the pedals work is that they represent the X-axis of the second joystick. Pushing the brake pedal is like pushing the second joystick left and pushing the gas pedal is like pushing the second joystick right. I'm not sure what happens when you push both. I suspect that the springs in the pedals are somewhat strong for use as rudder pedals though.

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|> full thrustmaster flight set (RCS, PFCS w/ 20# springs, and a WCS II). I hate |> the RCS, and would gladly replace it with something reasonable. |> |> For my taste, the PFCS is a bit too stiff for driving. The feather weight |> springs in my old FCS lets me rest my hand on the base, and wiggle it from |> the bottom. But I can't reach the hat or switches from there (the hat seems |> ideal as a gear shift). |> |> The WCS is somewhat usable as the gas and brake in ICR. Just put the WCS on |> the bottom detent before you hit enter in the calibration screen. It's less |> than ideal, though. The throw for full throttle is a bit on the long side, and |> proportional braking is a bit of a joke with what's remaining. (But after |> 800 hours of stick time in Falcon 3, you form a mindset that this is how ALL |> sim's should be played. :)

Just imagine what kind of mindset you've formed about driving after thousands of hours of driving real cars :) I found the T1 much more natural; it instantly improved my lap times and is much more enjoyable. The only thing I would change would be to add fingertip gearshift buttons on the wheel. The gearshift lever, while perhaps more realistic, requires you to remove your right hand from the wheel to shift. I think I am going to add some small switches at the 10 and 2 positions on the wheel for up and down shifting. |> I woke up this morning with an impulse to buy a T1; thankfully, my local |> supplier doesn't stock it. What am I missing? That's too bad. These things are best bought on impulse. I find that agonizing over things like this is bad for your health. If you're married though, the T1 is hard to hide. -- Mike Corrigan

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>Hi again, > Not only would I like to get a CD-Rom drive (as per yesterday's post) >but I'm also sort of shopping around a bit for "rudder" pedals that would work >nicely as gas/brake combo with Indycar. I currently have a CH-Products >Virtual Pilot yoke (which works extremely well for ICR), but just is not >versitile enough for my liking to permit standard shifting during play. (I HATE >pushing and pulling it for a driving sims so I'm running out of axis' :) ).

Well, I have a Virtual Pilot too, and what I do is take advantage of ICR's ability to change the function assignments for the joysticks and control the car this way: Accelerate: Top-mounted throttle (calibrate as joystick 2's Y axis) Brake: Left yoke button Reverse: Right yoke button Works great for me, 'cause with the independent throttle I don't have to use the yoke's other axis for acceleration (which gets REAL old REAL fast). On those courses that I shift independently, I configure my right shift key as shift up and the control key below it as downshift. Hope this helps! -- .......................................................................... Tony Johns | Director, ICRNAS I Internet Racing Series | FTP: ftp.netcom.com /pub/zyllyx --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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>Yes, the T1 pedals can be used as rudders. I haven't tried it, but I've heard >from others that it works. The way the pedals work is that they represent the >X-axis of the second joystick. Pushing the brake pedal is like pushing the >second joystick left and pushing the gas pedal is like pushing the second >joystick right. I'm not sure what happens when you push both. I suspect that >the springs in the pedals are somewhat strong for use as rudder pedals though. >Mike Corrigan

---- Allright, while on the subject here, and since I got no feedback for my "Pedals" post, does Thrustmaster sell the Pedal-portion of this mechanism separately do you think? How much etc.? I've got a CH-Virtual Pilot which works relatively nice in Indycar but manual shifting is out of the question unless I get/make floor pedals to use with it I'm afraid. ---- Again, I'll ask... anyone have any suggestions regarding PC-Pedals and good ones to get (like to use with flight-sims as well, but racing is primary concern)? Please, any advice would be appreciated. Any Toll-free numbers to places to purchase them as well (ie. TMaster direct) or would Chips 'n Bits be the best approach (or some such place). Thanks all -- Christopher Goucher This be the end My opinions are MY opinions (so be gentle! :) )