WC or ICR?

I am kind of new. I had one previous post which asked for advice about the pro and cons of F1 GP compared to ICR. Someone e-mailed me a lot of helpful information (to whom ever did, thanks), and after looking over all the info. I decide ICR was the one to go with. I went to the local computer store and they where all out of ICR, but while I was their WC caught my eye. From what I have saw and read, WC is ultra realistic racing game like ICR. What are the pros and cons of WC? If, I decide on ICR, I would probibly get the IndyCar Circuits and the IMS expansion packs with it. Is this a good idea to spend the eighty or so dollars up front? Does WC have all the all of the F1 season tracks or will I need to by an expansion package like ICR? If anyone can give information comparing ICR to WC I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

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>I am kind of new. I had one previous post which asked for advice about >the pro and cons of F1 GP compared to ICR. Someone e-mailed me a lot of >helpful information (to whom ever did, thanks), and after looking over all >the info. I decide ICR was the one to go with. I went to the local computer >store and they where all out of ICR, but while I was their WC caught my eye. >From what I have saw and read, WC is ultra realistic racing game like >ICR. What are the pros and cons of WC? If, I decide on ICR, I would >probibly get the IndyCar Circuits and the IMS expansion packs with it. Is >this a good idea to spend the eighty or so dollars up front? Does WC have >all the all of the F1 season tracks or will I need to by an expansion package >like ICR? If anyone can give information comparing ICR to WC I would >really appreciate it. >Thanks in advance.

I bought WC first. Had a ball with it. Got ICR when it came out. Mothballed WC. Got a Thrustmaster Steering System. Put WC back on the disk. Played it with the T-1. Scraped it off again. Now, IMHO ICR is a better sim. I like flying through the German woods and such, but like ICR's challenge and flexibility more. I've raced, SCCA, and feel the modeling is better on ICR. I would suggest getting the basic ICR package first. The upgrades require quite a bit of computer horsepower. A good strategy might be to get ICR, then a T'master T-1 later. If you become hooked, well the sky's the limit. Let's put it this way. My next step is to buy a Pentium machine. And, maybe a hotplate to burn oil and *** on for atmosphere. mike -- -- Michael Woodill | You can do everything with bayonets | except sit on them.

Are there any plans for an upgrade of WC for us *** F1 fans?

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>I am kind of new. I had one previous post which asked for advice about >the pro and cons of F1 GP compared to ICR. Someone e-mailed me a lot of >helpful information (to whom ever did, thanks), and after looking over all >the info. I decide ICR was the one to go with. I went to the local computer >store and they where all out of ICR, but while I was their WC caught my eye. >From what I have saw and read, WC is ultra realistic racing game like >ICR. What are the pros and cons of WC? If, I decide on ICR, I would >probibly get the IndyCar Circuits and the IMS expansion packs with it. Is >this a good idea to spend the eighty or so dollars up front? Does WC have >all the all of the F1 season tracks or will I need to by an expansion package >like ICR? If anyone can give information comparing ICR to WC I would >really appreciate it. >Thanks in advance.

Eventually you will end up buying both these games because there is so much argument over which one is better that no one can really say which one is. I have always loved WC because I watched F1 all along. The graphics are good in both but Indycar definitely edges out with its graphics because of the advances in technology since WC was released. Playablity is tougher on Indycar than WC. Car control makes all the difference. WC has a lot of driver aids but Indycar has none. I would suggest WC if you are looking to learn faster. All 16 tracks from the 1991 f1 season are available. There are editors etc out for the game which allow you to change the game and make it almost as tough as Indycar. If you are a hard core race driver then Indycar is the way to go. BTW, there has been a lot of talk that Microprose is coming out with WC 2 which should definitely be a better game than WC. You could wait for that one, but I would guess that eventually you WILL end up buying both games! Anand

I am still not clear on which of the driving thingies are supported by WC (is this the same as F1GP?) Does the Thrustmaster T1 work? (well?) --- Brian Wong Product Marketing Engineering 415-336-0082 Palo Alto, CA 94303

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|> |> Eventually you will end up buying both these games because there is so much |> argument over which one is better that no one can really say which one is. I |> have always loved WC because I watched F1 all along. The graphics are good in |> both but Indycar definitely edges out with its graphics because of the |> advances in technology since WC was released. Playablity is tougher on Indycar |> than WC. Car control makes all the difference. WC has a lot of driver aids but |> Indycar has none. I would suggest WC if you are looking to learn faster. All |> 16 tracks from the 1991 f1 season are available. There are editors etc out for |> the game which allow you to change the game and make it almost as tough as |> Indycar. If you are a hard core race driver then Indycar is the way to go. |> BTW, there has been a lot of talk that Microprose is coming out with WC 2 |> which should definitely be a better game than WC. You could wait for that one, |> but I would guess that eventually you WILL end up buying both games! |> |> Anand

Maybe. I am not about to slam WC since quite a few people do like it. However, speaking for myself, I picked up WC first and ended up taking it back. Something about it just didn't click for me. Later, I traded for IndyCar. I was somewhat worried given my experience with WC that I would not like it and that I wasted a perfectly good Dune II in the trade. However, for me, IndyCar instantly clicked. This WAS what I was looking for in a racing game. A couple of factors may have played into all of this. 1) I have a DX2 66 so I had enough Horsepower for IndyCar 2) I have a Thrustmaster FCS so I had a joystick with good fine control and feel. As to how difficult IndyCar is to learn, I think it is somewhat a mixed bag. I personally have found the Ovals pretty easy. The road courses are very fun but I have found them much more difficult to master. This is a good thing because if I want the thrill of victory I simply fire up something like Michigan. If I want a challenge, I fire up a track like Long Beach.

The readme.txt doc for the 1.05 update has some info on "rudder pedals" and how to setup in the program. Seen some posts from people who use the T1 so I figure it will work. Hope it works as I plan to buy my T1 soon. Sorry I can't give more concrete information. -- Kurt Zemke

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>Subject: Re: WC or ICR? >Date: 25 Jul 1994 22:50:46 -0700 >>I am kind of new. I had one previous post which asked for advice about >>the pro and cons of F1 GP compared to ICR. Someone e-mailed me a lot of >>helpful information (to whom ever did, thanks), and after looking over all >>the info. I decide ICR was the one to go with. I went to the local computer >>store and they where all out of ICR, but while I was their WC caught my eye. >>From what I have saw and read, WC is ultra realistic racing game like >>ICR. What are the pros and cons of WC? If, I decide on ICR, I would >>probibly get the IndyCar Circuits and the IMS expansion packs with it. Is >>this a good idea to spend the eighty or so dollars up front? Does WC have >>all the all of the F1 season tracks or will I need to by an expansion package >>like ICR? If anyone can give information comparing ICR to WC I would >>really appreciate it. >>Thanks in advance. >I bought WC first. Had a ball with it. Got ICR when it came out. >Mothballed WC. Got a Thrustmaster Steering System. Put WC back on the >disk. Played it with the T-1. Scraped it off again. Now, IMHO ICR is a >better sim. I like flying through the German woods and such, but like >ICR's challenge and flexibility more. I've raced, SCCA, and feel the >modeling is better on ICR. >I would suggest getting the basic ICR package first. The upgrades require >quite a bit of computer horsepower. A good strategy might be to get ICR, >then a T'master T-1 later. If you become hooked, well the sky's the limit. >Let's put it this way. My next step is to buy a Pentium machine. And, >maybe a hotplate to burn oil and *** on for atmosphere. >mike

What he said... and I got the Pentium mostly likely because I was hooked on ICR. I know I definitely got the T1 because of it. BTW, ICR is still in its "current" phase. World Circuit is working on a new version. I'd pass on World Circuit at this stage. However, if you MUST have it, and you have a CD-ROM, get the CD version. Ralf

>Subject: Re: WC or ICR? >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 13:16:19 GMT >Are there any plans for an upgrade of WC for us *** F1 fans? Yes.

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>Engineering) >Subject: Re: WC >Date: 26 Jul 1994 17:21:40 GMT >I am still not clear on which of the driving thingies are supported by WC (is >this >the same as F1GP?) Does the Thrustmaster T1 work? (well?) >--- >Brian Wong Product Marketing Engineering >415-336-0082 Palo Alto, CA 94303

in one simple word.... YES!

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>Subject: Re: WC or ICR? >Date: 26 Jul 1994 18:57:02 GMT >(Anand) writes: >|> >|> Eventually you will end up buying both these games because there is so much >|> argument over which one is better that no one can really say which one is. I >|> have always loved WC because I watched F1 all along. The graphics are good in >|> both but Indycar definitely edges out with its graphics because of the >|> advances in technology since WC was released. Playablity is tougher on >Indycar >|> than WC. Car control makes all the difference. WC has a lot of driver aids >but >|> Indycar has none. I would suggest WC if you are looking to learn faster. All >|> 16 tracks from the 1991 f1 season are available. There are editors etc out >for >|> the game which allow you to change the game and make it almost as tough as >|> Indycar. If you are a hard core race driver then Indycar is the way to go. >|> BTW, there has been a lot of talk that Microprose is coming out with WC 2 >|> which should definitely be a better game than WC. You could wait for that >one, >|> but I would guess that eventually you WILL end up buying both games! >|> >|> Anand >Maybe. I am not about to slam WC since quite a few people do like it. >However, speaking for myself, I picked up WC first and ended up taking >it back. Something about it just didn't click for me. >Later, I traded for IndyCar. I was somewhat worried given my experience >with WC that I would not like it and that I wasted a perfectly good >Dune II in the trade. However, for me, IndyCar instantly clicked. >This WAS what I was looking for in a racing game. >A couple of factors may have played into all of this. >1) I have a DX2 66 so I had enough Horsepower for IndyCar >2) I have a Thrustmaster FCS so I had a joystick with good > fine control and feel.

#'s 1 and 2 are exactly what I started IndyCar Racing with, and I was hooked. If you haven't grabbed the Formula T1 yet, I know you will! It is not that difficult to learn. Ideally, you'll want to be in complete control of your car, with Manual shifting and brakes. But novices will find it very comfortable to learn IndyCar Racing. You can choose Automatic shifting and automatic brakes. Through both of these setting you can quickly learn the accelleration thresholds of your gear box (to some extent) and the braking will help you learn where the brake markers are. At least it helps keep the learning curve from being sharper than it is. Ralf

: I am still not clear on which of the driving thingies are supported by WC (is this : the same as F1GP?) Does the Thrustmaster T1 work? (well?) : --- : Brian Wong Product Marketing Engineering : 415-336-0082 Palo Alto, CA 94303 The Thrustmaster T1 works like a champ with WC (or if you are European, F1 Grand Prix). I highly recommend it to any racing fans. It also works very well with Indy Car Racing. -- ******************************************************** * Caprica Telecomputing Resources * * Serving the LA Basin area with Commercial Internet * * Voice: (213) 266-0822 Data: (213) 526-1195 * * All lines 14.4K Baud! * ********************************************************

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> : I am still not clear on which of the driving thingies are supported by WC (is this > : the same as F1GP?) Does the Thrustmaster T1 work? (well?) > : --- > : Brian Wong Product Marketing Engineering > : 415-336-0082 Palo Alto, CA 94303 > The Thrustmaster T1 works like a champ with WC (or if you are European, > F1 Grand Prix). I highly recommend it to any racing fans. It also works > very well with Indy Car Racing.

I've been looking at getting a Thrustmaster T1 myself. They're asking $299 Australian for them though. In Australia, at least the version I bought, is called Word Circuit. Not sure if our versions are in sync with US, Europe... I've been told, however, that Thrustmaster T1 will not work with the early versions of WC. Apparently, if you have a version that supports dual racing via a modem, then you have a recent enough version that will work with Thrustmaster T1. For any Aussies out there who may be interested, the distributor for Thrustmaster products in Australia is: ASI Software N. Caulfield, Victoria 61-3-523-5612 Regards, Andrew Vellnagel. ------- Facsimile: +61 7 364 9994 POSTAL: Andrew Vellnagel, OpenVMS Systems Consultant, Mincom Centre PO Box 72, Stones Corner, 4120, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Disclaimer: The usual. It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.