HELP: QEMM 7.03 breaks Indycar

I just upgraded to QEMM 7.03 (from 6.xx) and it broke Indycar. I get the following error message: DOS/16M error: [23] no memory for VCPI page table. When I start QEMM 7.03 with the EMS:N parameter, Indycar works but then all my games that use expanded memory are broken. Any ideas, experts?? Thanks

Only to re-consider using DOS 6.xx's EMM386...

on Thu, 30 Jun 1994 10:21:48 EDT, Barry Weller <Barry> writes: Yes, RT(F)M. B > The IndyCar documentation (either the manual or the tech notes card) states that IndyCar should be run from a *clean bootup* - no QEMM, no EMM386, no sound drivers, no 'nuthin. I have one of my DOS 6.2 bootups specifically for IndyCar. I believe it sets the TEMP and LASTDRIVE parameters in CONFIG.SYS, and (maybe) loads a virus program in the AUTOEXEC, and that's all. Apparently IndyCar has its own memory manager, sound drivers, etc. Give that a try. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Note that I am NOT an official spokesperson for my employer.

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>>I just upgraded to QEMM 7.03 (from 6.xx) and it broke Indycar. >>I get the following error message: >> DOS/16M error: [23] no memory for VCPI page table. >>When I start QEMM 7.03 with the EMS:N parameter, Indycar works >>but then all my games that use expanded memory are broken. >>Any ideas, experts?? >Only to re-consider using DOS 6.xx's EMM386...

Why would you want to use ANY kind of memory management?? I have 486-66 w/ 8Megs and I run ICR with totally clean boot. Just press F5 when the text "Starting MS-DOS ... " appears ... -- Henrikki T. Hakkanen DISCLAIMER: In no event shall I be liable Voice: ?0-345 5538 my opinions, even if I have been advised of Fax: don't have one the possibility of such damages.

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>Yes, RT(F)M. B > The IndyCar documentation (either the manual or >the tech notes card) states that IndyCar should be run from a *clean >bootup* - no QEMM, no EMM386, no sound drivers, no 'nuthin. I have >one of my DOS 6.2 bootups specifically for IndyCar. I believe it sets >the TEMP and LASTDRIVE parameters in CONFIG.SYS, and (maybe) loads a >virus program in the AUTOEXEC, and that's all. Apparently IndyCar has >its own memory manager, sound drivers, etc. Give that a try.

Well basically any game which uses the DOS/4GW should be run from a clean boot. DOS/4GW makes it so that memory is one continuous pool instead of having Conventional, EMS and XMS. Really helps out programmers a lot.

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> >Yes, RT(F)M. B > The IndyCar documentation (either the manual or > >the tech notes card) states that IndyCar should be run from a *clean > >bootup* - no QEMM, no EMM386, no sound drivers, no 'nuthin. I have > >one of my DOS 6.2 bootups specifically for IndyCar. I believe it sets > >the TEMP and LASTDRIVE parameters in CONFIG.SYS, and (maybe) loads a > >virus program in the AUTOEXEC, and that's all. Apparently IndyCar has > >its own memory manager, sound drivers, etc. Give that a try. > Well basically any game which uses the DOS/4GW should be run from a clean > boot. DOS/4GW makes it so that memory is one continuous pool instead of > having Conventional, EMS and XMS. Really helps out programmers a lot.

Although this is true, DOS/4GW claims to be totally compatible with memory managers. I run ICR, DOOM, TFX, Raptor and others *with* QEMM in memory (saves the enormous effort of having to press Ctrl-Alt-Del :) and have never experienced any problems. Nor does it seem any faster from a clean boot. Of course, YMMV. Regards, Mike -- 10 Mount Gardens | Voice: 532 675893 Leeds LS17 7QN | United Kingdom | PGP public key available

>Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:41:48 EDT >Subject: Re: HELP: QEMM 7.03 breaks Indycar >I forgot to note that Indycar works perfectly with QEMM 6.xx. >It only breaks under QEMM 7.03. I run indycar with Qemm version 7.03 as my memory manager and have had no problems. I don't know if this could be the problem but here goes... Indycar is a "dos protected mode interface program" and, as I understand it, it provides its own software to implement this memory business. With qemm version 7 there is also a dos protected mode interface (It is loaded in your config.sys file as qdpmi.sys; it wasn't included in version 6). I long ago rem'ed out that line of my config.sys file because I couldn't run some program that used a dos protected mode interface. Hence, I can run indycar racing just fine. You might try removeing the line from your config.sys that loads the qemm dos protected mode interface and see what happens! Good luck... _______________________________________ Santa Fe, New Mexico USA _______________________________________

I forgot to note that Indycar works perfectly with QEMM 6.xx. It only breaks under QEMM 7.03.

>Although this is true, DOS/4GW claims to be totally compatible >with memory managers. I run ICR, DOOM, TFX, Raptor and others >*with* QEMM in memory (saves the enormous effort of having to >press Ctrl-Alt-Del :) and have never experienced any problems. >Nor does it seem any faster from a clean boot. Of course, YMMV. Even though I would love to be able to not have to get some effort together to press Ctrl-Alt-Del I have to. I do use QEMM and ICR and Doom do load up but in ICR I don't have enough memory to run any tracks. That's the only reason I find it a good idea to reboot. Most people probably have 4mb RAM so if they have QEMM loaded, they most likely have lots of device drivers or TSR's loaded so that the DOS/4GW games would not work. I guess you're lucky enough to have the obligatory four megs RAM. :)

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> >Although this is true, DOS/4GW claims to be totally compatible > >with memory managers. I run ICR, DOOM, TFX, Raptor and others > >*with* QEMM in memory (saves the enormous effort of having to > >press Ctrl-Alt-Del :) and have never experienced any problems. > >Nor does it seem any faster from a clean boot. Of course, YMMV. > Even though I would love to be able to not have to get some effort together to > press Ctrl-Alt-Del I have to. I do use QEMM and ICR and Doom do load up but > in ICR I don't have enough memory to run any tracks. That's the only reason I > find it a good idea to reboot. Most people probably have 4mb RAM so if they > have QEMM loaded, they most likely have lots of device drivers or TSR's loaded > so that the DOS/4GW games would not work. I guess you're lucky enough to have > the obligatory four megs RAM. :)

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I have 8 megs. With QEMM and Smartdrive loaded (1MB cache) I have about 5 and a bit free for the above mentioned games. Regards, Mike -- 10 Mount Gardens | Voice: 532 675893 Leeds LS17 7QN | United Kingdom | PGP public key available

just fine. You might try removeing the line from your config.sys that loads the qemm dos protected mode interface and see what happens! =================== Just wanted to add that it is called QDPMI. Rob

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>hundley) writes: >just fine. You might try removeing the line from your config.sys that >loads >the qemm dos protected mode interface and see what happens! >=================== >Just wanted to add that it is called QDPMI. >Rob

I use v7.04 and ICR runs just fine with QDPMI loaded. -- Henrikki T. Hakkanen DISCLAIMER: In no event shall I be liable Voice: ?0-345 5538 my opinions, even if I have been advised of Fax: don't have one the possibility of such damages.