I've played ICR.. and F1GP... and.. it's like comparing an old atari game
to a game in the arcade... there's no way F1GP comes anywhere near ICR in
terms of fun, feel, look... everything! F1GP a mole on the face of auto
sims! Don't get me wrong... i do hate f1gp! And i can't believe some ppl
say it's better than ICR... do they like driving ROBOT cars, around
almost flat plastic tracks? do they like the way the pit sucks them in,
and how you have a bottomless fuel tank?
just thought i'd let you know... :)
damian
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|> I've played ICR.. and F1GP... and.. it's like comparing an old atari game ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
= ICR
|> to a game in the arcade... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
= F1GP >>agreed! You won't get 25 Hz repeat rate
with full detail on with ICR ;-) (maybe on a DX4 ?!)
|> there's no way F1GP comes anywhere near ICR in
|> terms of fun, feel, look... everything! F1GP a mole on the face of auto
|> sims! Don't get me wrong... i do hate f1gp! And i can't believe some ppl
|> say it's better than ICR... do they like driving ROBOT cars, around
|> almost flat plastic tracks? do they like the way the pit sucks them in,
NO! We just switch the steering help OFF !!!
|> and how you have a bottomless fuel tank?
??? bottomless ??? NO! It is just as full as you need it. The car is definitely
loosing weight during the race... Exactly like in F1 in 1991.
Do not misunderstand me, I have ICR and F1GP on my HD.
I like ICR for the ovals and F1GP for all other tracks...
Herbert (243.050 mph at Michigan)
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Well, F1 cars DO carry all the fuel without needing pit stops, so
THAT is realistic.
AI cars in ICR won't pass you when you're at a dead stop, slow to
85mph on a straightaway at Michigan, New Hampshire, etc. Last time I
checked, there are a good many hills on WC tracks, and they are where
they are supposed to be. And speaking of tracks, does ICR have all
16 for it's circuit? No. Can you control the car well without a
Thrustmaster wheel on a road course? No. Can you get statistics on
previous races, etc? No.
You can spend $250 for ICR, getting the game, 2 track disks, and a TM
wheel to be able to control it properly - and still have STUPID AI to
deal with, which Papyrus ISN'T going to fix, period - they have said
so. Or spend $35 on WC, get a good editor (F1ED 2.0 for PC is
great), modify the computer stats to make the game competitive (the
AI being it's only real weakness) and be able to drive with your
current joystick - and have one Hell of a good time racing an ENTIRE
season.
Oh, BTW, WC-2 is coming - it should have all the setups you have in
ICR, better control, all the tracks, better graphics, etc. Have fun
with ICR, and it's 15 frames a second fuzzy graphics.
Just thought I'd let you know!
Realistic for the 1991 season which the game seemed to be modeled for.
This depends alot on where you stop. When you stop on the track the
cars WILL pass you eventually. You are right about ICR during a yellow.
Actually they do now. Plus a car editor, apparently.
Nope. No printouts like F1GP. AND THAT SUCKS!! There is noe reason not
to do this. I really don't understand why they apparently refuse to
consider this.
As for why you cannot control the ICR cars? THat is difficult to tell
with the info you provided. For all I know you are using the gameport
from your sound card. Or worse, the gameport from the I/O card that
came with your computer. If your calibrated numbers are not close to
150, I would expect problems. I am assuming you have a good
joystick :-)
Well I wouldn't fix the ICR IA either! The AI for WC seems perfect
for a NASCAR game. Everytime you try to pass one of those computer
butt-heads on a straight (like tamborillo) they hammer you. Happens
all the time. Like a penalty for passing in the wrong part of the
track.
Right...
BTW, F1GP doesn't have all the tracks either. I couldn't find South Africa
from last year. Or the Pacific GP (in japan ) this year. And ICR h2h modem
play blows away F1GP period!
But, thanks for letting us know anyway.
I'm using a Gravis Eliminator Gamecard w/ Gravis joystick. I
wouldn't say you can't control ICR, it's just too touchy. I hate the
line magnet in WC sometimes, but it is (to me) the lesser of two
evils compared to ICR. I have heard comments from many others that
ICR just doesn't control right without the Thrustmaster.
Don't know about Modem h2h on either, but WC DOES have all the
tracks, for the 1991 season it is simulating. I'd like to see more
(the current ones), but they should be in the new version.
And the F1 drivers do get a bit aggressive, so I don't find the WC AI
too unrealistic.
One thing, everyone screams about "realism" in both these games.
Well, unless you've been in a F1 or IndyCar and gone around these
tracks, you can't really claim one way or the other. WC's physics
model could be the more realistic - it isn't, I'm sure, but who
knows? ICR fanatics remind me of Falcon 3.0 fanatics - screaming
about it's complete realism. Well, I love F3 and played it to death,
but it's flight model isn't completely realistic - period. It
doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game, but it's a fact, yet some
people refuse to admit it.
The *main* problem for me is Papyrus's support of the product. They
have basically said they will not address any of the AI, printing,
etc, issues, all the while hyping the new tracks -$30 for Indy and
$30 for the remaining 7. They admit that ICR's AI has glaring
problems, but that it would take a complete rewrite to fix, and they
will address this in the "new game".
I will say, ICR is AWESOME for me driving around the track, by
myself. A great _driving_ sim. But as a _racing_ sim, it leaves a
lot to be desired. This is where WC "feels" better, IMHO - which I
fully expect many to completely disagree with. To each his own.
I do hope WC / ICR / WC2 competition starts more companies doing
quality racing sims - the more competition, the better sims we'll
have.
K. Beard
Well, I have the thrustmaster FCS, WCS II and ACM game card. No Formula
T1 steering wheel though. ICR is JUST as controlable as WC is. For me...
Are your calibrated values 150? Another thing that may not be all
that joystick related. ICR is very sensitive to the tire grip/temprature.
You may be spinning out on cold tires...
WOW!!! I was going to compare WC fanatics the the SVGA Air Warrior
purists!! hahaha. Pretty funny.
I too am a little upset about the lack of *PROPER* printouts or
SAVE GAME options. As for AI??? I think it is better than WC,
by a long shot. Proof for me, was when the back markers moved
over for me as I lapped them. I guess we dissagree here.
: I've played ICR.. and F1GP... and.. it's like comparing an old atari game
: to a game in the arcade... there's no way F1GP comes anywhere near ICR in
: terms of fun, feel, look... everything! F1GP a mole on the face of auto
: sims! Don't get me wrong... i do hate f1gp! And i can't believe some ppl
: say it's better than ICR... do they like driving ROBOT cars, around
: almost flat plastic tracks? do they like the way the pit sucks them in,
: and how you have a bottomless fuel tank?
: just thought i'd let you know... :)
: damian
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Hi Damian,
Do you ever try to play ICR on a PC 80386sx-16MHz only with pc-speaker?
In order to play ICR, i had to take all kind of stuff, plus i don't have sound.
Why Papyrus don't have an option to shut off the replays? Why ICR don't have
sound with pc-speakers?
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Centro de Informatica da UNIVERSIDADE DE AVEIRO, PORTUGAL.
Curso de Engenharia Electronica e Telecomunicacoes.
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I have no problem using my joystick to get around road courses. I have
an old CH Mach II and am using the game port on my PAS card.
One can get a complete printout of a race just completed. Drop down to
DOS and issue the command:
copy results.txt prn
Anyway enough of this WC vs. ICR crap. Both games are 2 different
attempts to simulate 2 different racing formulas. Both have their
strengths and weaknesses. Let's just say that they are DIFFERENT and
leave it at that!
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Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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