Indy or F1GP

I'm in the market for a new car simulator. I'm on a 486/66. My favourite car games are: Stunt Racer: Fast action Stunts : Fast good driving characteristics. Which is the best PC simulator right now. I'm looking for a fast game which I won't get bored of in 5 mins.. I have heard that Indyracer is not good.. -- - Paul Tantram

: I'm in the market for a new car simulator. I'm on a 486/66. : My favourite car games are: : Stunt Racer: Fast action : Stunts : Fast good driving characteristics. : Which is the best PC simulator right now. I'm looking for a fast game : which I won't get bored of in 5 mins.. I have heard that Indyracer is not : good.. With a 486/66 I think you'd enjoy IndyCar Racing immensely. Personally I like WC/F1GP better but I have a 386DX-33 and it is more playable than ICR. Both have their strong and weak points. But for accuracy in simulation, I would have to give the nod to ICR. Better yet...get both! or get ICR and wait a few months for WC/F1GPII which is rumoured to be in the works.. You'll probably have a ball with either one, and neither will bore you in any short time.. I've had WC/F1GP for 2.5 yrs now and its still my fave!:) RQ -- __ ;;;;;; #### / \;;;;;;;;; #### /____/;;;;;;;;;;;;; #### : :::::::::::::::::: : ##### ## : :::::::::::::::: : ___###### : :::::::::::::::::: :___________ M Y O P I N I O N S A R E E X A C T L Y T H A T

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>I'm in the market for a new car simulator. I'm on a 486/66. >My favourite car games are: >Stunt Racer: Fast action >Stunts : Fast good driving characteristics. >Which is the best PC simulator right now. I'm looking for a fast game >which I won't get bored of in 5 mins.. I have heard that Indyracer is not >good..

IndyCar Racing is the best there is. A couple of nights ago I raced with both World Circuit and ICR and now WC isn't on my hard drive anymore. The first that struck me was the sense of speed. I get 25 fps in WC and the game *crawls* compared to ICR. I have 486/66 and ICR gives me 15 fps which is quite enough. Another thing was that WC felt like the car was on rails or something. It is *so* easy to drive. With ICR, you need a lot of practise and you won't get bored. My word is: get IndyCar Racing!! BTW, modem play in IndyCar *REALLY KICKS ASS* !!! -- Henrikki T. Hakkanen DISCLAIMER: In no event shall I be liable Voice: +358-0-381 610 my opinions, even if I have been advised of Fax: don't have one the possibility of such damages.

WC on rails? Have you tried it with steering help off? Not so easy then! -- Max Behara Molly: "DS+MC" Bt+W C 1.3 X+++ L W- C+ I+++ T+ H+ S+ V+ P- E- A+ "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore Ayrton Senna (1960-1994) Roland Ratzenberger (1962-1994)

: WC on rails? Have you tried it with steering help off? Not so easy : then! You are correct here!! I just ran my Compuserve Monaco race a couple of nights ago and I was able to do a 1:16.1 in Qualifying without steering assistance... I ended up winning the race handily with a race fast lap of somewhere around 1:18.. The open tracks are harder though..grass is the enemy here! Actually, I got relatively bored of WC with the steering help turned on but after I bought a decent joystick, I can now run most tracks at reasonable speeds without steering assistance.. Its made the game my fave again! One thing I really like as opposed to ICR is that the other cars actually qualify rather than the program just running up some numbers.. I don't know exactly why, but I still find myself playing WC/F1GP *much* more than ICR..its just more fun..for me anyways.. :) Later, RQ -- __ ;;;;;; #### / \;;;;;;;;; #### /____/;;;;;;;;;;;;; #### : :::::::::::::::::: : ##### ## : :::::::::::::::: : ___###### : :::::::::::::::::: :___________ M Y O P I N I O N S A R E E X A C T L Y T H A T

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>>I'm in the market for a new car simulator. I'm on a 486/66. >>My favourite car games are: >>Stunt Racer: Fast action >>Stunts : Fast good driving characteristics. >>Which is the best PC simulator right now. I'm looking for a fast game >>which I won't get bored of in 5 mins.. I have heard that Indyracer is not >>good..

First of all, your interests in racing simulations seem to be headed to more action packed games than F1GP (WC) or ICR are. I would not suggest either one of them for you at once. Try before buy is my advice. (allthough I won't doubt one bit that you will LOVE both of them). Change all the driver aids off F1GP and you have as tough game as ICR is. F1GP defaults to traction control and steering help, unless you change them yourself, you know... -TPP

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>>IndyCar Racing is the best there is. A couple of nights ago I raced >>with both World Circuit and ICR and now WC isn't on my hard drive >>anymore. The first that struck me was the sense of speed. I get >>25 fps in WC and the game *crawls* compared to ICR. I have 486/66 >>and ICR gives me 15 fps which is quite enough. Another thing was >>that WC felt like the car was on rails or something. It is *so* easy >>to drive. With ICR, you need a lot of practise and you won't get bored. >Change all the driver aids off F1GP and you have as tough game as >ICR is. F1GP defaults to traction control and steering help, unless >you change them yourself, you know... > -TPP

I drive F1GP w/o traction control but I really have keep the steering help on. I once tried to race without it but it was impossible for me to even drive straight :( Maybe it's my joystick but with ICR I have no trouble. I think driving F1GP without steering help is very poorly implemented. Just my $0.02 worth. -- Henrikki T. Hakkanen DISCLAIMER: In no event shall I be liable Voice: +358-0-381 610 my opinions, even if I have been advised of Fax: don't have one the possibility of such damages.

: I drive F1GP w/o traction control but I really have keep the steering : help on. I once tried to race without it but it was impossible for me : to even drive straight :( Maybe it's my joystick but with ICR I have : no trouble. I think driving F1GP without steering help is very poorly : implemented. Just my $0.02 worth. Did you use non-linear steering? I have CH FlightStick and F1GP is quite controllable without steering help (non-linear steering and linear brake/acc). ICR is still bit easier to steer, but not that much.

Well I went with INDYCAR racing.. I really like the first track Laguna Seca because of its hills and sharp banked corners. Is there anyway to get additional tracks like this.. The ovals are kind of boring. and street tracks are much better -- - Paul Tantram

Yeah, it's a beauty. Maybe you should've chosen World Circuit (or F1GP in Europe) instead :-) It, of course, has no ovals. -TPP

>>Laguna Seca because of its hills and sharp banked corners. >Yeah, it's a beauty. That's part of the reason why I'd just *love* to see a reasonably realistic simulation of Nurburgring, the old one of course. Well, I guess that'll never happen so I'll just stick to other fun forest circuits like Spa... :-) -- /* Carpe noctem! Carpe tenebras! */

steering assistance.. Its made the game my fave again! One thing I really like as opposed to ICR is that the other cars actually qualify rather than the program just running up some numbers.. I don't know exactly why, but I still find myself playing WC/F1GP *much* more than ICR..its just more fun..for me anyways.. :) =========================================================== In the IndyCar game the opponents DO qualify also, believe me, they can get in your way and easily cause your lap times to go down because of it! I prefer IndyCar 1000%, but then again, I have a 486/66 and leave on all of the detail. I used to race WCGP with *all* of the helps turned off, but I still found it to be *much* easier to drive and less realistic than IndyCar. --- off of my soap box now --- Rob

>all of the detail. I used to race WCGP with *all* of the helps >turned off, but I still found it to be *much* easier to drive and >less realistic than IndyCar. I've been following this argument for some time already, here's my point: Realistic? Have you ever driven an Indycar or a Formula 1 car to be able to say what's realistic and what's not? Realistic, on a 14" screen, a joystick and a comfortable, steady chair? Hah. Gimme a break. -- /* Carpe noctem! Carpe tenebras! */

: >all of the detail. I used to race WCGP with *all* of the helps : >turned off, but I still found it to be *much* easier to drive and : >less realistic than IndyCar. : I've been following this argument for some time already, here's my : point: Realistic? Have you ever driven an Indycar or a Formula 1 car : to be able to say what's realistic and what's not? Realistic, on a : 14" screen, a joystick and a comfortable, steady chair? Hah. Gimme a break. : -- : /* Carpe noctem! Carpe tenebras! */ No, but I have raced motorcycles before and I think certain things like the physics involved can be commented on without getting behind the wheel. Same bullshit argument used abouts any sports commentary, really. Try again. -- -- Daniel G. Drumm

to be able to say what's realistic and what's not? Realistic, on a 14" screen, a joystick and a comfortable, steady chair? Hah. Gimme a break. -- /* Carpe noctem! Carpe tenebras! */ ====================================================== Of course I've driven Indycars, haven't you heard the name? I am the only one to have won Five times at IMS! Actually, I use the thrustmaster T1! So of course it's realistic! :-) Rob

> No, but I have raced motorcycles before and I think certain >things like the physics involved can be commented on without getting >behind the wheel. Same bullshit argument used abouts any sports >commentary, really. Try again. Does it really matter ? Its a game for gawds sake. The basic ideas are the same, you press the accelerator and brake and steer the car. I think this debate has gone on for long enough. Whether ICR is more realistic than F1GP (WC) doesnt matter, as long as you enjoy playing them. Personally, I prefer F1GP as I think the actual driving is more fun, however the interface for ICR and the things you can do with the car in ICR are better than F1GP. Well, thats my rave for the day, Paul. /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Paul MacLeod | "Wake up. Time to die." | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ FYP