XP, SBLive, TSW

Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer). Since the mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. The USB wheel I have doesn't have split-axis, so that makes it difficult to drive. I tried using my SBLive's gameport to run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create) a config that worked right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, or the calibrate screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'm sure I'm just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer).Since the > mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. no wonder u suck so bad, your steering has probably been lagged this whole time

bob wrote: > some crap Who is this moron? There are many different people here but I thought children would find it boring and go away.

Eldred, which verson of Direct X are you using? Try DX 9, or reinstall it. ZZ -- I'm Richard "ZZ" Busch, and I approved this message. Member: Screamers Racing League oAo OaO MARA TransAm GPL Rank + 14.768 MoGPL Rank + 309.654 N2003 Rank -18.8060 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

> >Who is this moron? There are many different people here but I thought >children would find it boring and go away. It's just a question of mind over matter. I don't mind, 'cause he doesn't matter... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

>Eldred, which verson of Direct X are you using? Try DX 9, or reinstall it. It was DX9, loaded when I installed N2k3. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > >Who is this moron? There are many different people here but I thought > >children would find it boring and go away. > > It's just a question of mind over matter. I don't mind, 'cause he doesn't > matter... I try to help you and you get all philosophical? wtf

On 09 Nov 2004 00:25:58 GMT, EldredP wrote:

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> Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer). Since the > mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. The USB wheel I > have doesn't have split-axis, so that makes it difficult to drive. I tried > using my SBLive's gameport to run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create) a > config that worked right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, or the > calibrate screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'm sure I'm > just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Eldred

Hi Eldi, cannot really comment as I'm not on XP, but my TSW works fine on the SBLive's game port. I had to do some simple rewiring that's outlined on my homepage (see below for URL), and then I defined a new entry in win98se as a standard 3 axis / 4 button joystick and it worked just fine. Make sure you disable / enable "poll with interrupts enabled" in the game controller config, cannot remember which one it was. Let me know if you need more help and I'll be happy to. cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I use a homebuilt rig using SBLive gameport and windows 2000 and works well (few jitters and lots of resolution, better than with win98se). Had to get a driver that allows for multiple axes and compound buttons from: http://www.massey.ac.nz/~jcmarsha/Wheel/ (select "drivers" from menu) Only problem is that they are available for win98 and win2000... don't know if the win2k registry change will work with XP (any win200/XP experts out there?). You may not need the extra buttons for the TSW, but it also gives 2, 3, and 4 axis controllers for the gameport (dual, split axis, and triple if you have a clutch). HTH Ken EldredP wrote:

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> Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer). Since the > mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. The USB wheel I > have doesn't have split-axis, so that makes it difficult to drive. I tried > using my SBLive's gameport to run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create) a > config that worked right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, or the > calibrate screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'm sure I'm > just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Eldred

I have xp. The short of it is that it will be very difficult to get the TSW working with XP correctly. With my TSW2, it would work but work poorly because the option Uwe was talking about does not exist in XP, poll with interrupts enabled. So, I didnt have that much success until I got new lower grade 200 pots from Thomas Enterprises and a USB converter, then it was a ton better. They actually have a better method now that will basically rewire the TSW into a "native" USB controller with the high grade pots and that is what I will do eventually but havent since I dont drive that much right now. So, I would go that route ... "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer). > Since the > mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. The USB > wheel I > have doesn't have split-axis, so that makes it difficult to drive. I > tried > using my SBLive's gameport to run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create) > a > config that worked right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, or > the > calibrate screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'm > sure I'm > just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 > Hist. +82.34 > N2k3 rank: -1.182 > Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro > US East

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> Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer). Since the > mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. The USB wheel I > have doesn't have split-axis, so that makes it difficult to drive. I tried > using my SBLive's gameport to run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create) a > config that worked right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, or the > calibrate screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'm sure I'm > just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Eldred > --

I had the same problem upgrading a friend's computer to XP because he had a TSW wheel. Its been a little while, but IIRC particular models of the TSW do not work well under XP with the gameport. I think the 2 options are an upgrade from TSW, or a gameport-USB converter. HTH, Kendt

XP doesn't actually support game-port anymore, what 'limited' support that is left in XP, is as stated -> very very limited, even the Microsoft wheels & joysticks that MS branded don't work right, or fully supported anymore (on the wheels it is impossible if not just near impossible to get separate pedals/axis and or the Force Feedback to work under XP...) But, as far as TSW goes, your best solution is to get the (1 or 2 part solution) upgrade/fix directly from Thomaswheel, or atleast get the same exact components elsewhere... Their (1) gameport to USB converter is the best one out there (they do not MFG it) and (2) then many wheels have to have the POTs (potentiometers that the wheel and pedals use to detect/relay movement or input) changed to ones that are compatable with the signals that the USB device expects. as far as I have read on the boards over the last couple years, you can even send in the wheels and they will do the "fixes" for a small fee, IIRC? Kendt Eklund enlightened us with:

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> [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message > news:<[email hidden]>... >> Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer). >> Since the mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL >> gamecard. The USB wheel I have doesn't have split-axis, so that >> makes it difficult to drive. I tried using my SBLive's gameport to >> run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create) a config that worked >> right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, or the calibrate >> screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'm sure >> I'm just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. >> Thanks! >> >> Eldred >> -- > > I had the same problem upgrading a friend's computer to XP because he > had a TSW wheel. Its been a little while, but IIRC particular models > of the TSW do not work well under XP with the gameport. I think the 2 > options are an upgrade from TSW, or a gameport-USB converter. > > HTH, > Kendt

Bottom line is gameport support+XP=good luck... Gameport support is severely limited in WinXP. I thought you were a PC support guy, you should already know that? "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer).Since the > mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. The USBwheel I > have doesn't have split-axis, so that makes it difficult to drive. Itried > using my SBLive's gameport to run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create)a > config that worked right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, orthe > calibrate screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'msure I'm

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> just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 > Hist. +82.34 > N2k3 rank: -1.182 > Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro > US East

> I thought you were a PC support guy, you should already know that? Theres a LOT he should know but doesnt

bob wrote in news:sM9kd.253$[email hidden]: >> I thought you were a PC support guy, you should already know that? > > Theres a LOT he should know but doesnt > > > Not a lot of computers in academic or corporate environments deal with gaming stuff. At least, not "in the open". Many companies run programs to sniff out and remove games from computers on their networks. When I was in the office envirnment, my support guys knew a ton of stuff about network protocols, security, doing massive upgrades to a few hundred computers at a go, and a whole bunch of other stuff. They knew diddley about gameports, or whether ATI was better than nVidia at rendering GPL or NR2K3. -- Darryl

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>I have xp. The short of it is that it will be very difficult to get the TSW >working with XP correctly. With my TSW2, it would work but work poorly >because the option Uwe was talking about does not exist in XP, poll with >interrupts enabled. So, I didnt have that much success until I got new lower >grade 200 pots from Thomas Enterprises and a USB converter, then it was a >ton better. They actually have a better method now that will basically >rewire the TSW into a "native" USB controller with the high grade pots and >that is what I will do eventually but havent since I dont drive that much >right now. So, I would go that route ..

Crap - I was hoping that it was just some setting I missed because I'm not used to XP. Looks like I'm stuck racing with my old PC until I get the new pots. Either that, or load Win2k on it instead... Thanks Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

In article <sM9kd.253$[email hidden]>, "bob" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Subject: Re: XP, SBLive, TSW >From: "bob" <[email hidden]> >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:30:10 -0500 > >> I thought you were a PC support guy, you should already know that? > >Theres a LOT he should know but doesnt > >

Like what's your beef? I don't know you from Adam, but you've for some reason decided to insult me at every chance. So bob - why *have* you picked me as your random anonymous internet target? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

In article <S29kd.1158$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes: >Bottom line is gameport support+XP=good luck... > >Gameport support is severely limited in WinXP. > >I thought you were a PC support guy, you should already know that? We don't have too many driving wheels in an office setting...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

"EldredP" wrote... >> <snip> > Like what's your beef? I don't know you from Adam, but you've for some > reason decided to insult me at every chance. So bob - why *have* you > picked me as your random anonymous internet target? He hopes other poster will jump to your aid. Do I need to remind you of your own .sig? Jan. =---

"bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sM9kd.253$[email hidden]... > > I thought you were a PC support guy, you should already know that? > > Theres a LOT he should know but doesnt > > He knows some important stuff, like what a jackass you are....

Bottom line, Eldred: USB is a better "game port" than the old game port (consumes fewer resources; less lag). Yer PDPI excepted. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <S29kd.1158$[email hidden]>, "Biz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Bottom line is gameport support+XP=good luck... > > > >Gameport support is severely limited in WinXP. > > > >I thought you were a PC support guy, you should already know that? > > We don't have too many driving wheels in an office setting...<g> > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 > Hist. +82.34 > N2k3 rank: -1.182 > Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro > US East

>Bottom line, Eldred: USB is a better "game port" than the old game port >(consumes fewer resources; less lag). Yer PDPI excepted. Well, looks like I'll have to go the TSW USB upgrade route. If I send the unit back for them to do, them I'm out until I get it back. Maybe I'll see how hard the kit is to install myself. My old computer can't use USB(win98se), so I never looked at it before. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

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>"EldredP" wrote... >>> <snip> >> Like what's your beef? I don't know you from Adam, but you've for some >> reason decided to insult me at every chance. So bob - why *have* you >> picked me as your random anonymous internet target? > >He hopes other poster will jump to your aid. Do I need to remind you of your >own .sig? >

Yeah, I know...<g> That's pretty bizarre, though. I was just curious what kind of mental process(or lack thereof) would cause that type of unprovoked attack behaviour. I guess he's outlived his entertainment value. He *was* kinda humorous at first, but now he's gotten boring. Time to put him in the twit filter, I guess... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

On 10 Nov 2004 00:26:11 GMT, EldredP wrote: > to XP. Looks like I'm stuck racing with my old PC until I get the new pots. > Either that, or load Win2k on it instead... > Thanks What's wrong with 98se? It still runs all "oh so modern" sims like RBR and GTR just fine, and you'll save on license costs and upgrade headaches (as there are none ;-) Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

<Well, I built a new computer(thanks to a generous fellow sim racer). Since the mobo doesn't have any ISA slots, I can't use my PDPL gamecard. The USB wheel I have doesn't have split-axis, so that makes it difficult to drive. I tried using my SBLive's gameport to run my TSW wheel. Couldn't find(or create) a config that worked right. Either the config didn't show both pedals, or the calibrate screen kept jumping around. This is a winXP system, and I'm sure I'm just not used to XP yet. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Eldred Do you still have the MSFF wheel Eldred? At any rate TEI will upgrade to USB fairly reasonable. Dan

I, too, have and treasure my old PDPI card (and my ECCI). I even went out and found the last mobo w. an ISA slot (a Gainward or something), but alas, it would only handle a 1.n-GHz CPU, so I was finally forced to abandon it. Still have it in a closet. Plan to resurrect it for a retro 'puta w. SLI'd Voodoo cards (or maybe the last Rendition, which I also saved), for SODA and the like.... --Me Packrat "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Bottom line, Eldred: USB is a better "game port" than the old game port > >(consumes fewer resources; less lag). Yer PDPI excepted. > > Well, looks like I'll have to go the TSW USB upgrade route. If I send theunit > back for them to do, them I'm out until I get it back. Maybe I'll see howhard

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> the kit is to install myself. > My old computer can't use USB(win98se), so I never looked at it before. > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 > Hist. +82.34 > N2k3 rank: -1.182 > Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro > US East

EldredP wrote in news:[email hidden]: >>Bottom line, Eldred: USB is a better "game port" than the old game port >>(consumes fewer resources; less lag). Yer PDPI excepted. > > Well, looks like I'll have to go the TSW USB upgrade route. If I send the unit > back for them to do, them I'm out until I get it back. Maybe I'll see how hard > the kit is to install myself. > My old computer can't use USB(win98se), so I never looked at it before. > > Eldred Not to make too much of a deal, Eldred, but I use USB with one of my computers running Win98SE. Is it perhaps that your computer doesn't _have_ USB ports? You can buy add-in cards with USB ports on them.... -- Darryl

Hehe, same here. I dug out the last motherboard with ISA slots, but it is limited to 1.4 ghz celery. PDPI and windows 98, and a thriller 3d card for GPL. On the original tracks, snice the new ones are too heavy on the graphics card, hehe. The PDPI card is the best I have yet tried, btw. Fully adjustable inputs and stuff. Loved it. ---A--- Steve Smith wrote:

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> I, too, have and treasure my old PDPI card (and my ECCI). I even went out > and found the last mobo w. an ISA slot (a Gainward or something), but alas, > it would only handle a 1.n-GHz CPU, so I was finally forced to abandon it. > Still have it in a closet. Plan to resurrect it for a retro 'puta w. SLI'd > Voodoo cards (or maybe the last Rendition, which I also saved), for SODA and > the like.... > > --Me Packrat > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>>Bottom line, Eldred: USB is a better "game port" than the old game port >>>(consumes fewer resources; less lag). Yer PDPI excepted. >> >>Well, looks like I'll have to go the TSW USB upgrade route. If I send the > > unit > >>back for them to do, them I'm out until I get it back. Maybe I'll see how > > hard > >>the kit is to install myself. >>My old computer can't use USB(win98se), so I never looked at it before. >> >>Eldred >>-- >>http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> >>GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 >>Ch.Rank +52.58 >>Hist. +82.34 >>N2k3 rank: -1.182 >>Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin >>Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro >>US East > > >

>Do you still have the MSFF wheel Eldred? At any rate TEI will upgrade to USB >fairly reasonable. >Dan Yes, I do - that was the USB wheel I tried. Any way to configure it as split-axis? I couldn't find that it was capable of it. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

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>On 10 Nov 2004 00:26:11 GMT, EldredP wrote: > >> to XP. Looks like I'm stuck racing with my old PC until I get the new >pots. >> Either that, or load Win2k on it instead... >> Thanks > >What's wrong with 98se? It still runs all "oh so modern" sims like RBR >and GTR just fine, and you'll save on license costs and upgrade >headaches (as there are none ;-)

Actually, I have a site-licensed version of XP, so I don't have to worry about the upgrade problems. :-) 98se *is* an option, but Doom 3 won't run on it. I'm guessing that more games will be like that in the future. I've had decent luck with 98se, except for the fact that my system is so slow. If it's a choice between running Doom 3 and using my TSW, Doom loses. :-) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

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>I, too, have and treasure my old PDPI card (and my ECCI). I even went out >and found the last mobo w. an ISA slot (a Gainward or something), but alas, >it would only handle a 1.n-GHz CPU, so I was finally forced to abandon it. >Still have it in a closet. Plan to resurrect it for a retro 'puta w. SLI'd >Voodoo cards (or maybe the last Rendition, which I also saved), for SODA and >the like.... >

That was one reason I built a new system, as opposed to just upgrading my existing one. I'm sure there will be stuff that won't run on the new one, so I'd like to keep one available. My current system is 1.2GHZ, the new one is 3GHz. I may take Uwe's idea and just reload 98se on the new one. :-) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

>Not to make too much of a deal, Eldred, but I use USB with one of my >computers running Win98SE. Is it perhaps that your computer doesn't >_have_ USB ports? You can buy add-in cards with USB ports on them.... > It *has* USB ports, but they've never worked consistently. Plugging in a USB scanner or media reader would lock up the system(requiring a reset of the Edison interface). Plugging in a USB key would work *sometimes*. My Microsoft USB stick doesn't work with it anymore. I figured the problems were because of how 98se handled(or didn't) USB ports... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

Have you tried ME? I think it had USB 1.0 support...and shouldn't be too hard to "find" (wink-wink, nudge-nudge). "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Not to make too much of a deal, Eldred, but I use USB with one of my > >computers running Win98SE. Is it perhaps that your computer doesn't > >_have_ USB ports? You can buy add-in cards with USB ports on them.... > > > > It *has* USB ports, but they've never worked consistently. Plugging in aUSB > scanner or media reader would lock up the system(requiring a reset of the > Edison interface). Plugging in a USB key would work *sometimes*. MyMicrosoft > USB stick doesn't work with it anymore. I figured the problems werebecause of

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> how 98se handled(or didn't) USB ports... > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 > Hist. +82.34 > N2k3 rank: -1.182 > Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro > US East

>Yes, I do - that was the USB wheel I tried. Any way to configure it as >split-axis? I couldn't find that it was capable of it. > >Eldred I had it as split axis but it's been so long ago I forgot how. Surely some MSFF user can tell how to do it. Dan

On 10 Nov 2004 19:18:51 GMT, EldredP wrote: > 98se *is* an option, but Doom 3 won't run on it. I'm guessing that more games > will be like that in the future. I've had decent luck with 98se, except for > the fact that my system is so slow. If it's a choice between running Doom 3 > and using my TSW, Doom loses. :-) I think there's an unsupported Doom3 version out there that runs on 98se. Cheers, Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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>> Do you still have the MSFF wheel Eldred? At any rate TEI will >> upgrade to USB fairly reasonable. >> Dan > > Yes, I do - that was the USB wheel I tried. Any way to configure it > as split-axis? I couldn't find that it was capable of it. > > Eldred

Yes, you can Eldred, through the Sidewinder 4.0 software. It is getting hard to find these days. Go here, and see if you can get it - http://www.windowsxp-drivers.com/drivers/79/79453.htm Install the software, plug in the wheel, then launch the software and you can make it split or combined axis within the software. I have the same usb MS FF wheel, on XP Pro, running as split axis just fine. -- Don Burnette

Uwe Sch�rkamp wrote: > What's wrong with 98se? <Gargle> I can't believe I read this coming from a Linux supporter <G> ;) Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -24

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:48:08 +0100, Ruud Dingemans wrote:

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> Uwe Schï¿œrkamp wrote: > >> What's wrong with 98se? > > ><Gargle> I can't believe I read this coming from a Linux supporter <G> > ;) >

for gaming Rudy, for gaming. What else could windows possibly be good for? /me ducks ;-) -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Eldred....... TWO simple words... DUAL BOOT I run both Win98se and WinXP All my racing is done on the Win98se partition Everything else is done in XP. Food for thought Cheers ThunderDog ==--== P.S. - Quit showing off with your own personal stalker! We all want one! "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Bottom line, Eldred: USB is a better "game port" than the old game port >>(consumes fewer resources; less lag). Yer PDPI excepted. > > Well, looks like I'll have to go the TSW USB upgrade route. If I send the > unit > back for them to do, them I'm out until I get it back. Maybe I'll see how > hard > the kit is to install myself. > My old computer can't use USB(win98se), so I never looked at it before. > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 > Hist. +82.34 > N2k3 rank: -1.182 > Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro > US East

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>Yes, you can Eldred, through the Sidewinder 4.0 software. It is getting hard >to find these days. >Go here, and see if you can get it - >http://www.windowsxp-drivers.com/drivers/79/79453.htm > >Install the software, plug in the wheel, then launch the software and you >can make it split or combined axis within the software.

I just discovered that last night(doh! Hadn't loaced the CD until then). So, I got it to work as split-axis, but I'll need to come up with a better way to secure the wheel to my table. It has a cross brace that's in the way of the clamp. Also, the system keeps crashing with XP. MS's post-mortem says there's a problem with a driver, but it doesn't say *which* driver. I tried disabling the USB, because during install I got a message about it being non-certified(something like that). All the other drivers installed fine. So there's still an unknown element that causes the active application to crash randomly. I may go back to win98 after all...less hassle.<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

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> >Eldred....... > >TWO simple words... DUAL BOOT > >I run both Win98se and WinXP >All my racing is done on the Win98se partition > >Everything else is done in XP. >

Including other games? >Food for thought Thanks - I hadn't considered that... > >Cheers >ThunderDog >==--== > >P.S. - Quit showing off with your own personal stalker! We all want one!You can have MINE... He's less intelligent than I originally gave him credit for... :-) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 Hist. +82.34 N2k3 rank: -1.182 Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro US East

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > Including other games? I have a dual boot XP/Win98 system but I can honestly say I haven't needed to use Win98 for over two years. Even Doom3 works in XP if you Google around a little. I haven't tried personally though, and I don't run any old games any more which might be awkward under XP. Andrew McP

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > Including other games? > > I have a dual boot XP/Win98 system but I can honestly say I > haven't needed to use Win98 for over two years. Even Doom3 works > in XP

Of course it works, its supposed to work under XP. Its tough to get it working under Win9X, unless that is waht you meant and just got it backwards if you Google around a little. I haven't tried personally > though, and I don't run any old games any more which might be > awkward under XP. > > Andrew McP

In article <SIWkd.9381$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Biz) wrote: > unless that is waht you meant and just got it backwards You're right. Complete brain to finger interface failure. Andrew McP

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>> Yes, you can Eldred, through the Sidewinder 4.0 software. It is >> getting hard to find these days. >> Go here, and see if you can get it - >> http://www.windowsxp-drivers.com/drivers/79/79453.htm >> >> Install the software, plug in the wheel, then launch the software >> and you can make it split or combined axis within the software. > > I just discovered that last night(doh! Hadn't loaced the CD until > then). So, I got it to work as split-axis, but I'll need to come up > with a better way to secure the wheel to my table. It has a cross > brace that's in the way of the clamp. Also, the system keeps > crashing with XP. MS's post-mortem says there's a problem with a > driver, but it doesn't say *which* driver. I tried disabling the > USB, because during install I got a message about it being > non-certified(something like that). All the other drivers installed > fine. So there's still an unknown element that causes the active > application to crash randomly. I may go back to win98 after > all...less hassle.<g> > > Eldred

Make sure you have all the latest updates/drivers for your peripherals. I have been running XP since Dec 01, it has been very stable for me. -- Don Burnette

> Including other games? Yes. Actually I could say that my Win98se is a dedicated "sim" os . On 98 I run - GPL, NR2003/TA, GTR2002, GTR-Demo, LFS, etc. On XP I run - any other games - Doom3, Far-Cry, etc. I don't use Win98 for anything else EXCEPT sim-racing. That does afford me a nice "stable, reliable, no-driver-issues" sim-racing system. Don't really ever have to worry about some new game that requires new driver version that does not work with GPL and creates some new problems that I gotta get sorted out before the next league race! LOL When I race... I reboot from XP to 98 and everything works as always! "Start your engines" and go ;) Cheers ThunderDog ==--== "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > >>Eldred....... >> >>TWO simple words... DUAL BOOT >> >>I run both Win98se and WinXP >>All my racing is done on the Win98se partition >> >>Everything else is done in XP. >> > > >>Food for thought > > Thanks - I hadn't considered that... > >> >>Cheers >>ThunderDog >>==--== >> >>P.S. - Quit showing off with your own personal stalker! We all want one! > You can have MINE... He's less intelligent than I originally gave him > credit > for... :-) > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 > Hist. +82.34 > N2k3 rank: -1.182 > Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro > US East