Re: The apocalypse is at hand

George M. Smiley wrote: > Oh well, perhaps now that tobacco companies have > started to admit that use of their products can result > in serious health issues we might see a less hostile > approach from governments with respect to > tobacco advertising. No, the busybodies in government won't be through until every one of us is a God-fearing, tax-paying, government-loving, obedient, malleable, lobotomized, robot sitting quietly in our living room with our hands folded in our laps. They won't slow down; they'll just find another victim. Beer anyone? -- Bob Curtin Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/ "If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy skin"

No, the internet will come way before motorcycles. Tim (fusion1) wrote:

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> "George M. Smiley" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Oh well, perhaps now that tobacco companies have > >started to admit that use of their products can result > >in serious health issues we might see a less hostile > >approach from governments with respect to > >tobacco advertising. > > Less hostile? Har-de-har-har. > Now every smoking schmuck on the planet will be suing for damage to > their health. "They KNEW and didn't do enough to warn us! Wah-wah" > They're going to lose these suits, and either be run out of sponsoring > motorsports through lack of cash flow or being further stripped of > their rights to advertise. > > Next step, firearms, followed by alcohol, motorcycles, automobiles, > bicycles, and inline skates. > > Tim

-- Bob Curtin Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/ "If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy skin"

"Tim (fusion1)" wrote: > They're going to lose these suits, and either be run out of sponsoring > motorsports through lack of cash flow or being further stripped of > their rights to advertise. NASCAR's already looking for a title sponsor to replace Winston -- rumors I've heard include McDonald's. NHRA will be next. Quite frankly, I think NASCAR itself is probably bigger than RJR -- whether or no, the new "squeaky-clean" family entertainment that NASCAR has become has little room for tobacco...or beer. Surprised it lasted this long. Smoking demographics no longer point to the sort of audience NASCAR is wooing these days. Had to happen eventually. BB PS I think it rather unlikely that automobiles will come under the axe -- rather suicidal, no? Hope Chrysler's going to use the new 300 for their NASCAR template...

Surely the following website can only indicate the collapse of modern culture is at hand: http://www.philipmorris.com/tobacco_bus/tobacco_issues/health_issues.html - George

George M. Smiley <[email hidden]> wrote: Whoops, wrong target. I guess that is what one gets when one uses the same program to browse news and check email. Good thing it wasn't the previous email to the online sex toys shop asking when my umbrella girls of GP500 blowup doll collection is expected to ship. ;-) <Desperate to stay on topic> Oh well, perhaps now that tobacco companies have started to admit that use of their products can result in serious health issues we might see a less hostile approach from governments with respect to tobacco advertising. </Desperate to stay on topic> Apologies, - George

>[email hidden] >In support of removing the "oil burning" car from society, let's start in >the good old U S of A, OK Bruce, let's start with yours! GA

No, I'm not a smoker. Jeff Jones wrote:

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> >No, the busybodies in government won't be through until every one of us > >is a God-fearing, tax-paying, government-loving, obedient, malleable, > >lobotomized, robot sitting quietly in our living room with our hands > >folded in our laps. They won't slow down; they'll just find another > >victim. Beer anyone? > > I'm guessing you're a smoker ;)

-- Bob Curtin Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/ "If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy skin"

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > But I do agree that a silent electric engine race would be rather dull. Like > watching F1 without the sound on. That's the most fun of all! First, I don't have to listen to Sam Posey and Derek Daly (I miss David Hobbs, though); second, I get to make my own engine noises: bbrrrrrmmmmm, brrrrmmmmmm, wooopwoooopwoooop, bbrrrmmmm, brrrmmmm, eeeeEEEEeeeeeEEEEE, bupbupbupbupbupbupbupbup, brrrrrrRRRRRMMMMM (That's Irvine downshifting for the Variante Ascari, standing on the brakes, bumping over the rumble strips, and accelerating...) That's excitement! Bart

As long as the electric cars have spoked wheels then the drivers can stick a bit of plastic onto the suspension and have the spokes make it clatter as the wheel rotates....just like I used do do with my bicycle! :o) Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (Tim (fusion1)) writes: > > > Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >PS I think it rather unlikely that automobiles will come under the axe > > >-- rather suicidal, no? Hope Chrysler's going to use the new 300 for > > >their NASCAR template... > > > > Not the axe, just the scissors. It's already happening in California. > > Have fun racing around at speeds approaching 35 MPH in your 6500 pound > > electric/2 cylinder generator hybrid. <g> > > Actually, this is rather interesting. Racecars as we know them will die

when > carbon based fuel is banned or rationed. This doesn't have to be a badthing, > since the idea for racing is to push the limit of both man and machine, wewill > hopefully see high performace engines that uses a different kind of fuel. > > But I do agree that a silent electric engine race would be rather dull.Like > watching F1 without the sound on. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

I think the funniest thing on that page is the statement (a hyperlink, mind you) "Click here for our policy regarding links"!!! LOL!! George M. Smiley <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o_5N3.928$[email hidden]...

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> > Surely the following website can only indicate the collapse > of modern culture is at hand: > > http://www.philipmorris.com/tobacco_bus/tobacco_issues/health_issues.html > > - George > > >

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"George M. Smiley" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Oh well, perhaps now that tobacco companies have >started to admit that use of their products can result >in serious health issues we might see a less hostile >approach from governments with respect to >tobacco advertising. Less hostile? Har-de-har-har. Now every smoking schmuck on the planet will be suing for damage to their health. "They KNEW and didn't do enough to warn us! Wah-wah" They're going to lose these suits, and either be run out of sponsoring motorsports through lack of cash flow or being further stripped of their rights to advertise. Next step, firearms, followed by alcohol, motorcycles, automobiles, bicycles, and inline skates. Tim

Subject: Re: The apocalypse is at hand From: "George M. Smiley" [email hidden] Date: Wed, 13 October 1999 04:56 PM EDT Message-id: <Pl6N3.953$[email hidden]> George M. Smiley <[email hidden]> wrote: Whoops, wrong target. I guess that is what one gets when one uses the same program to browse news and check email. Good thing it wasn't the previous email to the online sex toys shop asking when my umbrella girls of GP500 blowup doll collection is expected to ship. ;-) You can get those? What's the url? Gman

I agree with his sarcasm....and I'm an EX-smoker of 18 months standing who happens to have opinions not directly in phase with any anti-smoking lobby group. I simply believe that we are being governed into senselessness by hypocrites. I will support banning the sale and use of tobacco products once a government has the guts to introduce legislation that makes the sale and use ILLEGAL. Until that time bureaucracies world-wide can shove their anti-smoking by-laws up their collective anal passages. Now let the flames begin! BK Jeff Jones <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sseN3.2124$[email hidden]...

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> >No, the busybodies in government won't be through until every one of us > >is a God-fearing, tax-paying, government-loving, obedient, malleable, > >lobotomized, robot sitting quietly in our living room with our hands > >folded in our laps. They won't slow down; they'll just find another > >victim. Beer anyone? > > I'm guessing you're a smoker ;) > > > >

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Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: >PS I think it rather unlikely that automobiles will come under the axe >-- rather suicidal, no? Hope Chrysler's going to use the new 300 for >their NASCAR template... Not the axe, just the scissors. It's already happening in California. Have fun racing around at speeds approaching 35 MPH in your 6500 pound electric/2 cylinder generator hybrid. <g> Tim

Tim (fusion1) <[email hidden]> wrote: : Not the axe, just the scissors. It's already happening in California. : Have fun racing around at speeds approaching 35 MPH in your 6500 pound : electric/2 cylinder generator hybrid. <g> I wouldn't be so hard on hybrids. True electrics are a dead duck, but hybrids like the Toyota Prius (?) are an extremely realistic alternative to pure combustion cars, and demand little in the way of compromise. Audi and Volvo have shown similar hybrids for large-cars. VW has also produced a true 3L car with their new Lupo. 3L car for the Americans means a car that uses 3L per 100km, or about 80mpg *average* economy. It's perhaps at the moment too pricey, but it shows that "green" cars do not have to be useless, as the Lupo 3L is no worse than any other typical city runabout in Europe. Stephen

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>"George M. Smiley" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Oh well, perhaps now that tobacco companies have >>started to admit that use of their products can result >>in serious health issues we might see a less hostile >>approach from governments with respect to >>tobacco advertising. > >Less hostile? Har-de-har-har. >Now every smoking schmuck on the planet will be suing for damage to >their health. "They KNEW and didn't do enough to warn us! Wah-wah" >They're going to lose these suits, and either be run out of sponsoring >motorsports through lack of cash flow or being further stripped of >their rights to advertise. > >Next step, firearms, followed by alcohol, motorcycles, automobiles, >bicycles, and inline skates.

Al Gore has already pegged the automobile as public enemy #1. Remember that when you vote next time . . . -- JB

The lastest issue of Autoweek had a picture of a WC Intrepid. Not the 300m, it looked like it was painted sorta like an ASA car so it could have been a private effort. dave henrie > > PS I think it rather unlikely that automobiles will come under the axe > -- rather suicidal, no? Hope Chrysler's going to use the new 300 for > their NASCAR template...

>No, the busybodies in government won't be through until every one of us >is a God-fearing, tax-paying, government-loving, obedient, malleable, >lobotomized, robot sitting quietly in our living room with our hands >folded in our laps. They won't slow down; they'll just find another >victim. Beer anyone? I'm guessing you're a smoker ;)

Bob Curtin wrote: > > is a God-fearing, t I wonder why all the so called "god fearing" smokers seem to forget that passage about the body being a temple...dya think the big guy would like his temple all tarred up?? dave henrie

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> Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >PS I think it rather unlikely that automobiles will come under the axe > >-- rather suicidal, no? Hope Chrysler's going to use the new 300 for > >their NASCAR template... > > Not the axe, just the scissors. It's already happening in California. > Have fun racing around at speeds approaching 35 MPH in your 6500 pound > electric/2 cylinder generator hybrid. <g>

Actually, this is rather interesting. Racecars as we know them will die when carbon based fuel is banned or rationed. This doesn't have to be a bad thing, since the idea for racing is to push the limit of both man and machine, we will hopefully see high performace engines that uses a different kind of fuel. But I do agree that a silent electric engine race would be rather dull. Like watching F1 without the sound on. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

> > Al Gore has already pegged the automobile as public enemy #1. Rememberthat > when you vote next time . . . > > -- JB > Was that before or after we was picking tobacco in the fields when he lived on Tenn. Hold on he never actaully lived there he was raised in the Watergate hotel penthouse level. Dave

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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > But I do agree that a silent electric engine race would be rather dull. Like > > watching F1 without the sound on. > > That's the most fun of all! First, I don't have to listen to Sam Posey > and Derek Daly (I miss David Hobbs, though); second, I get to make my > own engine noises: bbrrrrrmmmmm, brrrrmmmmmm, wooopwoooopwoooop, > bbrrrmmmm, brrrmmmm, eeeeEEEEeeeeeEEEEE, bupbupbupbupbupbupbupbup, > brrrrrrRRRRRMMMMM (That's Irvine downshifting for the Variante Ascari, > standing on the brakes, bumping over the rumble strips, and accelerating...) > > That's excitement! >

ROTFLMAO Good one! -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Agree 100%. I'm just wondering what the "Do Gooders" are going after next. Paul Bruce Kennewell wrote:

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> I agree with his sarcasm....and I'm an EX-smoker of 18 months standing who > happens to have opinions not directly in phase with any anti-smoking lobby > group. I simply believe that we are being governed into senselessness by > hypocrites. > I will support banning the sale and use of tobacco products once a > government has the guts to introduce legislation that makes the sale and use > ILLEGAL. > > Until that time bureaucracies world-wide can shove their anti-smoking > by-laws up their collective anal passages. > > Now let the flames begin! >

If my body is a Temple then the congregation better have their insurance paid up. By the way no body ever passed the plate in order to support it. Paul Dave Henrie wrote:

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> Bob Curtin wrote: > > > > is a God-fearing, t > > I wonder why all the so called "god fearing" smokers seem to forget > that passage about the body being a temple...dya think the big guy would > like his temple all tarred up?? > > dave henrie

Maybe not public enemy #1, but they are a source for many problems and pollutants in society today. 1.Traffic, which causes anything from time lost at work for employers, and employees which in turn translates to money lost, to the now infamous "road rage", which costs people their lives on occasion. 2.Accidents, which cost many lives, and millions perhaps even billions of dollars in insurance, medical, funeral and court costs. 3.Pollution on a massive scale of many forms including but not limited to, air, water, and noise. 4.Not to mention the massive amounts of fossil fuels they chew through every day, with gasoline(or diesel), and oil for the engine. I am not condoning the abolishment of the car in any way, it is a part of "americana" and would never leave anyway. But I am saying we do need to look towards alternate means of natural replenishable "fuel" for usage, and promote, engorge, and expand public transportation. All of this of course on a global scale. Scott Hoffner "Outshined" on the now defunct NROS

Well, I hope there aren't too many single-issue voters that'd hang their hat on that inconsequentiality! DK, confessed commie-pinko type John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hUcN3.442$[email hidden]... [snip] > > Al Gore has already pegged the automobile as public enemy #1. Rememberthat > when you vote next time . . . > > -- JB > > >

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> I agree with his sarcasm....and I'm an EX-smoker of 18 months standing who > happens to have opinions not directly in phase with any anti-smoking lobby > group. I simply believe that we are being governed into senselessness by > hypocrites. > I will support banning the sale and use of tobacco products once a > government has the guts to introduce legislation that makes the sale and use > ILLEGAL. > > Until that time bureaucracies world-wide can shove their anti-smoking > by-laws up their collective anal passages. > > Now let the flames begin! >

Getting a little worked up, aren't we? Need a smoke, don't ya Bruce? LOL -- Chuck Kandler #70 ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

Yeah..and they suppressed the 500-mile-per-gallon Fish Carburetor, too! The bastidges! Fargin' iceholes! "When complex refinery-cracked and catalyzed hydrocarbon fuels are outlawed only outlaws will have complex refinery-cracked and catalyzed hydrocarbon fuels" "They'll get my gas pump nozzle when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!" On a more serious note, recent oilfield discoveries, the surmised-but-unexplored extent of the Siberian fields, and shale-oil recovery breakthroughs (to name but a few areas) should keep us in fossil fuels for the next couple-three centuries. As for pollution, the technology is there -- witness the famous Saab-in-LA example where the exhaust emissions from a Saab-designed automotive scrubbing system were actually far cleaner than the intake air...of course, we're talking about the LA basin here... The problem with electric cars is that -- except for solar power, the cells for which do not yet have the necessary efficiency -- any plant that produces electricity has far worse emissions (coal) or even more unhealthy political ramifications (nuclear) than the number of electric vehicles such plants could support. My guess is that internal-combustion/electric/mechanical-energy-storage hybrids will be the interim solution. Then hydrogen fusion, if they can work THAT engineering rat's nest out. BB "George M. Smiley" wrote:

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> > "Ray M" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > They -have -developed alternatives but the oil companies simply > > buy the rights to them. They are not going to give up their lucrative > > stranglehold on the economy. > > Funny, I have yet to read "sold all rights to oil company" in a > Ballard Power Systems quarterly report. Where do you get > your "information" from? > > - George

Pardon me. That *should* have read: "... any plant that produces electricity has far worse emissions (coal) or even more unhealthy political ramifications (nuclear) than the number of internal-combusion vehicles that could be replaced by the same number of electric vehicles such plants could support." In other words, it's like laser-fusion: until the amount of energy generated by the process exceeds in real terms the amount of energy required to fire the lasers and make the process happen, you're in an energy deficit. In the case of cars, it's an emissions deficit: if the energy-plant emissions, hydrocarbon or nuclear waste, exceed the emissions from the number of fossil-fueled cars such electrical generation could remove from use, you still have a net gain in emissions, and that's NOT a solution. Sorry for the confusion -- I have to deal with it all the time... BB

I'm in Oz, a country which is leading the world in reducing "greenhouse" emissions and which, at last count, had thirty-two cars, fifteen motor-cycles, four buses and a petrol lawn mower. George Adams <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > >[email hidden] > > >In support of removing the "oil burning" car from society, let's start in > >the good old U S of A, > > OK Bruce, let's start with yours! > > GA

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Yep. There isn't a day that passes when I don't feel like a nicotine fix. Probably similar to the craving that an alcoholic has. Chuck Kandler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > > I agree with his sarcasm....and I'm an EX-smoker of 18 months standingwho > > happens to have opinions not directly in phase with any anti-smokinglobby > > group. I simply believe that we are being governed into senselessnessby > > hypocrites. > > I will support banning the sale and use of tobacco products once a > > government has the guts to introduce legislation that makes the sale anduse

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> > ILLEGAL. > > > > Until that time bureaucracies world-wide can shove their anti-smoking > > by-laws up their collective anal passages. > > > > Now let the flames begin! > > > > Getting a little worked up, aren't we? Need a smoke, don't ya Bruce? LOL > > > -- > Chuck Kandler #70 > ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! > >

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for that Bart.....almost as good as watching a silent movie!! :o) BK Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > That's the most fun of all! First, I don't have to listen to Sam Posey > and Derek Daly (I miss David Hobbs, though); second, I get to make my > own engine noises: bbrrrrrmmmmm, brrrrmmmmmm, wooopwoooopwoooop, > bbrrrmmmm, brrrmmmm, eeeeEEEEeeeeeEEEEE, bupbupbupbupbupbupbupbup, > brrrrrrRRRRRMMMMM (That's Irvine downshifting for the Variante Ascari, > standing on the brakes, bumping over the rumble strips, and

accelerating...) > > That's excitement! > > Bart > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

In support of removing the "oil burning" car from society, let's start in the good old U S of A, whose citizens comprise a mere 4% of our planets population of 6 billion, yet whose same citizens produce in excess of 25% of the ozone-destroying and planet-warming pollutants. BK Outshined <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Maybe not public enemy #1, but they are a source for many problems and > pollutants in society today. > 1.Traffic, which causes anything from time lost at work for employers, > and employees which in turn translates to money lost, to the now > infamous "road rage", which costs people their lives on occasion. > 2.Accidents, which cost many lives, and millions perhaps even billions > of dollars in insurance, medical, funeral and court costs. > 3.Pollution on a massive scale of many forms including but not limited > to, air, water, and noise. > 4.Not to mention the massive amounts of fossil fuels they chew through > every day, with gasoline(or diesel), and oil for the engine. > I am not condoning the abolishment of the car in any way, it is a part > of "americana" and would never leave anyway. But I am saying we do need > to look towards alternate means of natural replenishable "fuel" for > usage, and promote, engorge, and expand public transportation. All of > this of course on a global scale. > > > Scott Hoffner > "Outshined" on the now defunct NROS

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They -have -developed alternatives but the oil companies simply buy the rights to them. They are not going to give up their lucrative stranglehold on the economy.

"Ray M" <[email hidden]> wrote: > They -have -developed alternatives but the oil companies simply > buy the rights to them. They are not going to give up their lucrative > stranglehold on the economy. Funny, I have yet to read "sold all rights to oil company" in a Ballard Power Systems quarterly report. Where do you get your "information" from? - George