Re: To Greg Cisko (You need to lighten up)

Nigel Nichols wrote in message <7ud3pv$kaq$[email hidden]>...

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>Tell me Greg > Did you get beat up a lot at school. You tend to be a bitter >fallow to say the least. Lighten up on everybody. FF is not >the be all and end all. There are folks out there who use >analog controllers and will blow your doors off no matter how >good your FF game and/or wheel is. > >Feel free to offer your opinion, just don't jam it down their >throats. > >Nigel Nichols > > > >-- >Redline Race Controls

Redline race controls? Huh. Would that happen to be an analog race control? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/lakewood/Redline2.htm > >Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports >Hamilton >New Zealand > >

Well you are certainly paying attention. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com Randy Wilson wrote in message ... >But it's so entertaining.Once Gerg decides HE likes something, it's the >best! > >He hemmed & hahed (in this NG) about getting a FF steering wheel for months >(many) but wouldn't 'cause none supported N2 & he couldn't stand not being >able to play N2 over the modem with his "racin' buddy". Now that he's >finally got one, he thinks he's the expert & and there's no way anyone could >possibly live without one! > >Until a couple of months ago, he said GPL was garbage because it didn't >have weather, so according to him F1RS was a MUCH superior sim! Now that >he's finally got GPL he the 1st one to tear a strip off anyone who dare post >anything negative about it. > >Hey, him & Ed Bain are the best entertainment in this NG (IMHO, of course) >;-) > >Randy > >Nigel Nichols wrote in message <7ud3pv$kaq$[email hidden]>... >>Tell me Greg >> Did you get beat up a lot at school. You tend to be a bitter >>fallow to say the least. Lighten up on everybody. FF is not >>the be all and end all. There are folks out there who use >>analog controllers and will blow your doors off no matter how >>good your FF game and/or wheel is. >> >>Feel free to offer your opinion, just don't jam it down their >>throats. >> >>Nigel Nichols >> >> >> >>-- >>Redline Race Controls >> >>http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/lakewood/Redline2.htm >> >>Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports >>Hamilton >>New Zealand >> >> > >

John Bodin wrote in message ...

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>I really don't care much for the way Greg defends his preferences by taking >a combative stand against those who don't agree with him, but I'd hate to >see him end up ostracized by the group as a whole. I'd gladly have him rub >me wrong time and time again, rather than watching him get run out of the >newsgroup on a rail simply for being annoying. The way I see it, if we let >that happen, then you or I could be the NEXT person to be run out of town >for running afoul of public opinion here.

Well rest assured. No amount of yelling will drive me from this group. I have been here from the start and like racing, so I have no plans to leave. Even after this little tirade.

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>Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing -- it can be a real pain in the ass >when someone uses that right to rub you wrong, but the alternative is not >very pretty, so I'll gladly accept the occasional chafing. > >Plus, there's always the chance that Greg could actually follow your sage >advice and lighten up a bit. Then again, there's probably an equal chance >that moneys could fly out of my rectal orifice, but you never know! <G>

I have been light on you guys until this past few days. Just ask the flightsim people :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Don't let Greg bother you too much --- it's like the weather here in New England: just wait five minutes and it'll change...8^) BB

Kinda like how ECCI has analogue controllers too. What a concept. Greg Cisko <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote in message news:7udnp3$voe$[email hidden]...

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> Nigel Nichols wrote in message <7ud3pv$kaq$[email hidden]>... > >Tell me Greg > > Did you get beat up a lot at school. You tend to be a bitter > >fallow to say the least. Lighten up on everybody. FF is not > >the be all and end all. There are folks out there who use > >analog controllers and will blow your doors off no matter how > >good your FF game and/or wheel is. > > > >Feel free to offer your opinion, just don't jam it down their > >throats. > > > >Nigel Nichols > > > > > > > >-- > >Redline Race Controls > > > Redline race controls? Huh. Would that happen to be an analog > race control? > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > >http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/lakewood/Redline2.htm > > > >Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports > >Hamilton > >New Zealand > > > > > >

Jeff Jones wrote: > > >I have been light on you guys until this past few days. Just ask the > >flightsim people :-) > > I can attest to that. (DUH!) Everybody has to do something to feel important... many people attempt to blow out the candles of others so their own seems to shine more brightly. Sad, pathetic, but true... BB

"Tim (fusion1)" wrote:

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> > Like when they mock peoples nicknames and thank God they don't have to > listen to their radio show? > > Pretty hypocritical comment, Barton. > > Tim

Yeah...something like that. Although I don't see many nicknames with a "marca registrada" attached to them, nor do I see too many people claiming to know, from halfway across the world, when "the Ferrari Bigwigs" are lying -- especially since even Jo Bauer now admits they've been looking at the same barge boards all weekend. But then, I don't have a radio show to advertise either. Must be because my IQ doesn't match my shoe size. Bummer. And I so much wanted the respect and admiration of my peers ... the shame of it all! Tim, what can I do to redeem myself in your eyes? BB

You sure you don't live in Melbourne? Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don't let Greg bother you too much --- it's like the weather here in New > England: just wait five minutes and it'll change...8^) > > BB > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Geez...stay off RAS for a few days and look what happens....organized flames! Greg, every dog has his day - looks like this one's for you.... I hope you take it all for what it's worth. Obviously, your opinions have kept a lot of people from getting bored with this forum. Like I said, I lost track of some of these threads. What in heck did you do to generate this sort of reaction? Not even Schumi bashing gets this order of magnitude............. In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: > Jeff Jones wrote: > > > > >I have been light on you guys until this past few days. Just askthe

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> > >flightsim people :-) > > > > I can attest to that. (DUH!) > > Everybody has to do something to feel important... many people attempt > to blow out the candles of others so their own seems to shine more > brightly. Sad, pathetic, but true... > > BB > >

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Yeah, but I forgot to mention the recent episode of you thinking Pocono wasn't on the NASCAR Winston Cup schedule anymore since it wasn't in N3... I mean it man. You crack me up, sometimes. ;-) Randy Greg Cisko wrote in message <7udnua$io0$[email hidden]>...

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>Well you are certainly paying attention. > >-- > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > >Randy Wilson wrote in message ... >>But it's so entertaining.Once Gerg decides HE likes something, it's the >>best! >> >>He hemmed & hahed (in this NG) about getting a FF steering wheel for

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>>(many) but wouldn't 'cause none supported N2 & he couldn't stand not being >>able to play N2 over the modem with his "racin' buddy". Now that he's >>finally got one, he thinks he's the expert & and there's no way anyone >could >>possibly live without one! >> >>Until a couple of months ago, he said GPL was garbage because it didn't >>have weather, so according to him F1RS was a MUCH superior sim! Now that >>he's finally got GPL he the 1st one to tear a strip off anyone who dare >post >>anything negative about it. >> >>Hey, him & Ed Bain are the best entertainment in this NG (IMHO, of course) >>;-) >> >>Randy >> >>Nigel Nichols wrote in message <7ud3pv$kaq$[email hidden]>... >>>Tell me Greg >>> Did you get beat up a lot at school. You tend to be a bitter >>>fallow to say the least. Lighten up on everybody. FF is not >>>the be all and end all. There are folks out there who use >>>analog controllers and will blow your doors off no matter how >>>good your FF game and/or wheel is. >>> >>>Feel free to offer your opinion, just don't jam it down their >>>throats. >>> >>>Nigel Nichols >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Redline Race Controls >>> >>>http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/lakewood/Redline2.htm >>> >>>Nigel of Lakewood Motorsports >>>Hamilton >>>New Zealand >>> >>> >> >> > >

>I have been light on you guys until this past few days. Just ask the >flightsim people :-) I can attest to that. (DUH!)

Greg Cisko wrote in message <7udo4s$qhl$[email hidden]>... >John Bodin wrote in message ... >>I really don't care much for the way Greg defends his preferences bytaking >>a combative stand against those who don't agree with him, but I'd hate to >>see him end up ostracized by the group as a whole. I'd gladly have himrub >>me wrong time and time again, rather than watching him get run out of the >>newsgroup on a rail simply for being annoying. The way I see it, if welet

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>>that happen, then you or I could be the NEXT person to be run out of town >>for running afoul of public opinion here. > > >Well rest assured. No amount of yelling will drive me from this group. >I have been here from the start and like racing, so I have no plans to >leave. Even after this little tirade.

Well, since you put it THAT way, let the Greg Cisko witch hunt begin!! ;-)

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>>Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing -- it can be a real pain in the ass >>when someone uses that right to rub you wrong, but the alternative is not >>very pretty, so I'll gladly accept the occasional chafing. >> >>Plus, there's always the chance that Greg could actually follow your sage >>advice and lighten up a bit. Then again, there's probably an equal chance >>that moneys could fly out of my rectal orifice, but you never know! <G> > > >I have been light on you guys until this past few days. Just ask the >flightsim people :-) > >-- > >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. > >cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > > >

Greg Cisko wrote: > snip > > Well rest assured. No amount of yelling will drive me from this group. > I have been here from the start and like racing, so I have no plans to > leave. Even after this little tirade. Well, that "accomplishment" of being on this ng THAT long probably is the reason for your frequent "I know best, who are u anyway?" behaviour... l8er ronny -- "I heard if you play the NT-4.0-CD backwards, you get a satanic message." "That's nothing, if you play it forward, it installs NT-4.0"

I can attest to that. (DUH!)

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Yeah, well. Its not always all about hotlapping either. Some folks enjoy being immersed in the sim and FF helps a lot, at least with GPL. And yes, there are some folks out there that will blow your doors off now matter how good your analog wheel is, considering some are using joysticks.

> Lighten up on everybody. FF is not > the be all and end all. There are folks out there who use > analog controllers and will blow your doors off no matter how > good your FF game and/or wheel is. Yeah, well. Its not always all about hotlapping either. Some folks enjoy being immersed in the sim and FF helps a lot, at least with GPL. And yes, there are some folks out there that will blow your doors off now matter how good your analog wheel is, considering some are using joysticks.

Greg Cisko wrote: > > Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into > their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky > extended. Don't get me going dork. Oh, by all means -- get yourself going all you like, dorkbreath: I love to watch people step on their own dicks. Oh, BTW, I *don't* actually put my middle name (my grandfather's, by the way -- at least I knew who mine was) in my posts: it's a fluke of earthlink's sign-up procedure that however your name appears on your payment medium is what you get in your sign up -- but, as a crypto-genius stealth spam-blocker you already knew that, right? I could change it, of course, but A) it doesn't bother me (since I never have to type it all out), and B) now that you've pointed it out, I have to leave it in for sheer annoyance factor. Flame away, loser. Barton Spencer Brown

Greg Cisko wrote: > > Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into > their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky > extended. Don't get me going dork. Oh, by all means -- get yourself going all you like, dorkbreath: I love to watch people step on their own dicks. Oh, BTW, I *don't* actually put my middle name (my grandfather's, by the way -- at least I knew who mine was) in my posts: it's a fluke of earthlink's (as you should know) sign-up procedure that however your name appears on your payment medium is what you get in your sign up. I could change it, of course, but A) it doesn't bother me (since I never have to type it all out), and B) now that you've pointed it out, I have to leave it in for sheer annoyance factor. Flame away, loser. Barton Spencer Brown

All this time I thought they were making a big ado about nothing. Now I understand it was just a big ado about a fool. It's amazing to actually listen to someone who's proud of his big mouth and the fact that in spite of the terrible noise, not much of any substance exits that flapping yap. Greg Cisko wrote: > Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into > their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky > extended. Don't get me going dork. -- Bob Curtin Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/ "If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green, baggy skin"

Sorry for the (almost) double post. Fat finger.

Goy Larsen wrote: > > Barton Spencer Brown wrote: a lot > > > > Bart, you're retired right ? No, but I type and read quickly -- too quickly, apparently...

Start with 1000 push-ups. <g> Really, no redemption is needed in my eyes. This is just something I read in the morning instead of the newspaper because I can read the newspaper at work. Some take it more seriously. Probably too seriously, but that's not my problem. I did feel Mr. Dude expressed a valid opinion and you attacked him personally for it. Shenanigans are part of almost any racing, and I think any one of those companies would use an illegal advantage if they thought they could get away with it. Tim (C) (R) 43900218823 Reg. US. Pat. Off. Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Yeah...something like that. Although I don't see many nicknames with a >"marca registrada" attached to them, nor do I see too many people >claiming to know, from halfway across the world, when "the Ferrari >Bigwigs" are lying -- especially since even Jo Bauer now admits they've >been looking at the same barge boards all weekend. But then, I don't >have a radio show to advertise either. Must be because my IQ doesn't >match my shoe size. Bummer. And I so much wanted the respect and >admiration of my peers ... the shame of it all! Tim, what can I do to >redeem myself in your eyes? > >BB

Terry Welch wrote in message <7ug0mo$2e3$[email hidden]>...

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>Geez...stay off RAS for a few days and look what happens....organized >flames! Greg, every dog has his day - looks like this one's for >you.... I hope you take it all for what it's worth. Obviously, your >opinions have kept a lot of people from getting bored with this forum. >Like I said, I lost track of some of these threads. What in heck did >you do to generate this sort of reaction? Not even Schumi bashing gets >this order of magnitude.............

Basically some TWS or ECCI owner was talking about how he "tended to prefer" high quality analog wheels, as opposed to Force Feedback wheels. So I let him have it because I thought he "tended" to feel that way after he spent all that money (at least 2.5X what FF wheels go for). And the high quality wheels do not enhance GPL or N3 one bit compared to good FF wheels. People were understandably upset. It may have something to do with a term I used (B$TT F*CKED), more than my opinion. hehe. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Barton Spencer Brown wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Jeff Jones wrote: >> >> >I have been light on you guys until this past few days. Just ask the >> >flightsim people :-) >> >> I can attest to that. (DUH!) > >Everybody has to do something to feel important... many people attempt >to blow out the candles of others so their own seems to shine more >brightly. Sad, pathetic, but true...

Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky extended. Don't get me going dork. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > >BB >

"Tim (fusion1)" wrote: > > Start with 1000 push-ups. I'll drop and do a thousand if you'll pay for the ambulance and funeral. As for cheating -- sure, it goes on all the time, but it just makes no sense for Ferrari to knowingly contravene a spec of such Lilliputian import (it was Williams' aerodynamicist who first pointed out thast the minor barge board discrepancy could not possibly give the Ferraris ANY performance advantage whatsoever) in the penultimate race of the season. Sure, Ferrari has a long history of not caring diddly-squat about their drivers (Enzo's final book, "Piloti, Che Gente," proves that beyond doubt), but they've ALWAYS been hot for the Manufacturer's championship. I don't for a moment believe either altruism or "pour le sport" rules the hearts of ANY F1 teams, but over the past 5-6 years (from the banning of actives and driver aids, through the plank nonsense and the grooved tire diddly-wah), the FIA (FISA, FOCA, FOA) itself has been the antagonist of more hogwash than all the teams combined. They need to finally (long after the departure of J-M Balestre was supposed to solve all the problems) clean up their own act. To scrutinize a car all weekend long, and only come up with a piddle-ass discrepancy AFTER that car had won a race certainly casts (further) doubt on the FIA's professionalism -- and if the FIA isn't professional, then they shouldn't be in the "game" -- which is professional to the tune if billions of dollars, pounds, DM, yen, punts, rials, and lire a year. Someone asked why we still watch F1 if we're so disgusted by it. Simply put, F1 USED to be (and could be again) the pinnacle of the sport: the BEST cars, the BEST engineers, the BEST drivers. But then the engineers got TOO good, in a sense: active suspension, driver "aids" like engine/course mapping and remote-control feedback telemetry were magnificent engineering feats, and have (obviously) direct applications to passenger cars. But when it was perceived that advanced engineering had strayed into an area that produced cars (as one famous ex-Williams driver of the time said) that could be driven by well-trained monkeys, it turned Enzo Ferrari's modern opinion of car/driver ratio from 75/25 to something like 85/15. The cult of personality that F1 racing (like NASCAR) had become, the sheer amount of money in endorsements, gate receipts, and TV ad rates that names like Senna, Schumacher, and Mansell could generate, were in danger. If there's ONE thing the FIA and it's shadow boss Ecclestone REALLY care about it's money, and lots of it. So the FIA-mandated retrenchment began -- first the banishment of driver aids and active suspensions, then the TV-friendly but spectator-miserable track redesigns, now the supposedly "speed reducing" and "overtaking enhancing" body and tire width restrictions, and the grooved tires. Far from reducing speeds meaningfully, all the FIA managed to do was make the cars uglier and more squirrelly, and to drive Goodyear from the sport it had so well-supported since 1965, leaving the hollow, one-make "tire war" to giant Bridgestone/Firestone. Now, to add insult to injury, the FIA, having mandated F1 into a crashing, expensive bore, get redeemed by a fluke of fate to actually have a championship go down to the wire at Suzuka, and then screw THAT flukey pooch by being so technically maladroit that their famed "best scrutineers in the business" can look at the same goddamn piece of bodywork for TWO entire race weekends, and not find anything wrong with it until a car carrying that piece of inconsequential bodywork wins perhaps the most important race of the season. That, in a word, sucks. I can't for a moment imagine that Ron Dennis, Norbert Hauge, Mika Hakkinen, or David Coulthard like it any more than Luca deMontezemolo, Jean Todt, Ross Brawn, Eddie Irvine, or Michael Schumacher -- it makes a mockery of a very, very difficult and painful season. The only GOOD fluke of fate this season is that Pedro Diniz didn't have his head ripped off when his FIA-mandated rollover bar ripped off the car like cheap tin at the N�rburgring. Bottom line is that the FIA needs to get their house in order, and (IMHO) the first thing they need to do is eliminate the conflict of interest generated by the unholy partnership between Ecclestone and Mosely -- it's just not a healthy situation to have the F�hrer of the sport's governing body playing left-hand pocket pool with the sport's commercial Supremo. That's my 2-many-cents. BB

Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: >Everybody has to do something to feel important... many people attempt >to blow out the candles of others so their own seems to shine more >brightly. Sad, pathetic, but true... Like when they mock peoples nicknames and thank God they don't have to listen to their radio show? Pretty hypocritical comment, Barton. Tim

Only happens to me when I'm cleaning my spare change and I swallow some by accident. Zog John Bodin wrote: <snip> Then again, there's probably an equal chance that moneys could fly out of my rectal orifice, but you never know! <G> <snip>

LOL! I hate it when that happens!! <G> -- JB Doug Schneider wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Only happens to me when I'm cleaning my spare change and I swallow some by >accident. > > Zog > >John Bodin wrote: ><snip> >Then again, there's probably an equal chance that moneys could fly out of

my >rectal orifice, but you never know! <G> ><snip> >

Sorry for the (almost) double post. Fat finger.

Barton Spencer Brown wrote: a lot > Bart, you're retired right ? I mean, come on, you have WAY too much time on your hands, how many people on the usenet will read the whole post you think, most of us are limited people with short attention span, a span that does not stretch beyond one screen of text, so please edit your posts accordingly so I don't have to scroll down while reading..... Oh, and I wholeheartedly agree btw, at least those parts I remember :-) -- Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

"Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: >Basically some TWS or ECCI owner was talking about how he "tended >to prefer" high quality analog wheels, as opposed to Force Feedback >wheels. So I let him have it because I thought he "tended" to feel that >way after he spent all that money (at least 2.5X what FF wheels go for). >And the high quality wheels do not enhance GPL or N3 one bit compared >to good FF wheels. Hmmm, I've an Hyperstimulator AND a Logitech FF wheel. The Logitech is no match for the Hyperstim and is gathering dust at the moment.... So there you've it, the opinion of someone who has both. Remco

Oh, well.... Yup, that'll get you some attention <g>. Enjoy the limelight.... In article <7uhmku$eai$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > Basically some TWS or ECCI owner was talking about how he "tended > to prefer" high quality analog wheels, as opposed to Force Feedback > wheels. So I let him have it because I thought he "tended" to feelthat > way after he spent all that money (at least 2.5X what FF wheels gofor).

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> And the high quality wheels do not enhance GPL or N3 one bit compared > to good FF wheels. > > People were understandably upset. It may have something to do with > a term I used (B$TT F*CKED), more than my opinion. hehe. > > -- > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming

hordes. > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

John Bodin wrote in message <8GbP3.276$[email hidden]>... >"2.5X" is an exaggeration, Greg -- my TSW2 came with a $220 pricetag, and I >know a lot of people have paid $150 or more for their FF rigs, which means >my base TSW2 (which I said I "tend to prefer" over Force Feedback wheels) >only cost 1.47 times more than a $150 Force Feedback wheel. Point taken. >Also, if a high quality wheel does not enhance GPL, then why am I faster >with my TSW2 than I am with a Saitek or Microsoft wheel? Frankly, it's not Because the MS and Saitek wheels are not good choices? While many people here like the MS wheel, I returned mine. I could not reliably use the shifting buttons. Allot of people complain about FF causing driving sims to be harder. I agree. >your opinion or the profanity that annoys me, it's your damned INACCURACY >and your pompous, self-righteous attitude about the "superiority" of Force >Feedback controllers that ticks me off. OK.

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>Force Feedback is NOT the best thing since sliced bread, and based on the >number of wheels I've tested and sampled, I can truly say that if the first >and only controller I ever purchased had been a Force Feedback wheel, I'm >positive I would have been disappointed, so much so that it might have >deterred me from pursuing sim racing with any great enthusiasm -- and I >don't think I'm alone in this sentiment. THAT is the kind of disservice >you're doing for the novices who come here looking for insight and >information -- I (and many others) try to portray all aspects of the

driving >controller issue fairly, while YOU invariably strut around touting your >beloved Force Feedback controller and belittleling those who choose tospend >their money in other ways. > >Methinks maybe YOU protest a bit too loudly about those people who investin >TSW or ECCI wheels, rather than the latest Force Feedback fad -- could itbe This is the first time I said anything about it. I guess once is too loud. >that you're protesting so loudly to defend what you feel is an inferior >investment, or is it maybe just simple jealousy that prevents you from ever >admitting that those people who have spent more money have maybe gottenmore >quality for their money? Either way, it doesn't speak very well of your >character. Jealous??? I don't think so. >Now, before you -- or anybody else -- decides that I'm just another elitist >TSW owner who doesn't know a thing about Force Feedback, you might want to >check out my review of the Saitek R4 Force wheel, just to see what I've had >to say about some of my own experiences with Force Feedback: Like I said, IMHO MS or Saitek were not the best choices. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Spencer Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: > <big snip> > That's my 2-many-cents. Wow. VFM! Cheers Mark Reading, UK Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <7uhmod$8md$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <no.spam.email.for.me> wrote: > Yeah. Sometimes all they have to do is put their formal middle name into > their posts. Know what I mean Spence? I'll bet you type with your pinky > extended. Don't get me going dork. Go for it Greg! GO! GO! GO! Gimme a "G", etc. You are -so- entertaining. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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>Terry Welch wrote in message <7ug0mo$2e3$[email hidden]>... >>Geez...stay off RAS for a few days and look what happens....organized >>flames! Greg, every dog has his day - looks like this one's for >>you.... I hope you take it all for what it's worth. Obviously, your >>opinions have kept a lot of people from getting bored with this forum. >>Like I said, I lost track of some of these threads. What in heck did >>you do to generate this sort of reaction? Not even Schumi bashing gets >>this order of magnitude............. > > >Basically some TWS or ECCI owner was talking about how he "tended >to prefer" high quality analog wheels, as opposed to Force Feedback >wheels. So I let him have it because I thought he "tended" to feel that >way after he spent all that money (at least 2.5X what FF wheels go for). >And the high quality wheels do not enhance GPL or N3 one bit compared >to good FF wheels.

"2.5X" is an exaggeration, Greg -- my TSW2 came with a $220 pricetag, and I know a lot of people have paid $150 or more for their FF rigs, which means my base TSW2 (which I said I "tend to prefer" over Force Feedback wheels) only cost 1.47 times more than a $150 Force Feedback wheel. Also, if a high quality wheel does not enhance GPL, then why am I faster with my TSW2 than I am with a Saitek or Microsoft wheel? Frankly, it's not your opinion or the profanity that annoys me, it's your damned INACCURACY and your pompous, self-righteous attitude about the "superiority" of Force Feedback controllers that ticks me off. Force Feedback is NOT the best thing since sliced bread, and based on the number of wheels I've tested and sampled, I can truly say that if the first and only controller I ever purchased had been a Force Feedback wheel, I'm positive I would have been disappointed, so much so that it might have deterred me from pursuing sim racing with any great enthusiasm -- and I don't think I'm alone in this sentiment. THAT is the kind of disservice you're doing for the novices who come here looking for insight and information -- I (and many others) try to portray all aspects of the driving controller issue fairly, while YOU invariably strut around touting your beloved Force Feedback controller and belittleling those who choose to spend their money in other ways. Methinks maybe YOU protest a bit too loudly about those people who invest in TSW or ECCI wheels, rather than the latest Force Feedback fad -- could it be that you're protesting so loudly to defend what you feel is an inferior investment, or is it maybe just simple jealousy that prevents you from ever admitting that those people who have spent more money have maybe gotten more quality for their money? Either way, it doesn't speak very well of your character. Now, before you -- or anybody else -- decides that I'm just another elitist TSW owner who doesn't know a thing about Force Feedback, you might want to check out my review of the Saitek R4 Force wheel, just to see what I've had to say about some of my own experiences with Force Feedback: http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/sims/saitek/ -- JB

I thought Greg Cisko and Force Feedback were the same thing...???

> I thought Greg Cisko and Force Feedback were the same thing...??? Close, GC is *Logitech's* internal name on the FF units, MS and Saitek tried to use the name as well, but was threatened with a law suit........ All in good humour Greg :-))) -- Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/