Re: GPL - Monza Banking

: >Can anyone tell me which races are in the movie besides Spa, : >Zandvoort, Silverstone and Monza? monaco, brands rather than silverstone, and that french track who's name i can never remember, but it ain't rouen! zandvoort, oh yes. one of the best little scenes in the movie for me is an overhead shot (from a blimp?) of someone running off the track (but not too far) somewhere at zandy, then edging the car slowly back onto the track, and then giving it too much and spinning back off! it all happens in about 3 seconds, but i've lived that moment so many times. so many it hurts. i wonder if there are cans of unused footage in some vault somewhere.... we deserve to be told! martin. --

speedracer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HjcP3.143$[email hidden]... > My my.... Just watched the movie GRAND PRIX. That monza banking was > mental!!! I had no idea it was so steep,and so just all around crazy!BTW > very good movie. > > My query.... If someone can create a BrandsHatch track, or a Dubai, I'm > surprised no one has undertaken the duty of making a converted Monza...It > would be the absolute coolest! > > I hope this starts a thread about the movie Grand Prix > > speedracer I own a copy of the movie,and usually watch it a few time each year. I'm at the point where I fast forward through the movie just to get to the race segments. Joel Willstein [email hidden]

Martin Portman wrote in message ... > >: >Can anyone tell me which races are in the movie besides Spa, >: >Zandvoort, Silverstone and Monza? > >monaco, brands rather than silverstone, and that french track who's >name i can never remember, but it ain't rouen! Reims? Clermont-Ferrand? <joking>Magny-Cours?</j> Ian

>ok, here it comes: this movie kicks ass, >racing-wise ... but very poor >story off the track ... and why didn't they >show the race at the glen? I >would love to hear them squeeking tires >in the loop ;-) Yea i was surprised they didnt show it the first time i saw the movie seeing as how its an American made film and all. I heard some rumor once about there being some kind of reason behind that...they could only fit so many races in or something...probably no truth to the rumor but then again maybe there is. Chris

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> My my.... Just watched the movie GRAND PRIX. That monza banking was > mental!!! I had no idea it was so steep,and so just all around crazy! BTW > very good movie. > > My query.... If someone can create a BrandsHatch track, or a Dubai, I'm > surprised no one has undertaken the duty of making a converted Monza... It > would be the absolute coolest! > > I hope this starts a thread about the movie Grand Prix >

This has been suggested many times, unfortunately no-one has the track editor to do it, except maybe the mysterious "Dave Noonan". Also it may not even be possible due to the effective figure of eight configuration. - Michael

Well they only could fit in a couple of races... Perhaps it would have been better if they skipped the 'story' part and only showed all the races, but then it wouldn't be a movie anymore... I think the choice of tracks was superb. The races at Spa, Zandvoort, Silverstone and Monza were fantastic to watch. By the way, I noticed to late that the movie was on tv a couple of weeks ago, so I missed the first part of the movie. I have the movie on tape from the part where they race on Spa. Can anyone tell me which races are in the movie besides Spa, Zandvoort, Silverstone and Monza? Andre On 20 Oct 1999 07:30:27 GMT, [email hidden] (Schlomo4) wrote:

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>>ok, here it comes: this movie kicks ass, >racing-wise ... but very poor >>story off the track ... and why didn't they >show the race at the glen? I >>would love to hear them squeeking tires >in the loop ;-) > >Yea i was surprised they didnt show it the first time i saw the movie seeing as >how its an American made film and all. I heard some rumor once about there >being some kind of reason behind that...they could only fit so many races in or >something...probably no truth to the rumor but then again maybe there is. > >Chris

There has been some discussion about this before. I thought it was Silverstone, but I never was sure about this. So it was Brands after all... Andre On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:52:13 +0100, "Mike West" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Don't you mean Brands Hatch rather than Silverstone? I too have never >managed to catch the start of the film, but I know that the British track >used later on in the film is Brands Hatch (I live 3 miles from Brands, so I >know what I'm talking about on this occasion! >Unless Silv. was used at the very start, I think you're mistaken.... :) > >Mike.

My my.... Just watched the movie GRAND PRIX. That monza banking was mental!!! I had no idea it was so steep,and so just all around crazy! BTW very good movie. My query.... If someone can create a BrandsHatch track, or a Dubai, I'm surprised no one has undertaken the duty of making a converted Monza... It would be the absolute coolest! I hope this starts a thread about the movie Grand Prix speedracer

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> My my.... Just watched the movie GRAND PRIX. That monza banking was > mental!!! I had no idea it was so steep,and so just all around crazy! BTW > very good movie. > > My query.... If someone can create a BrandsHatch track, or a Dubai, I'm > surprised no one has undertaken the duty of making a converted Monza... It > would be the absolute coolest!

you are not the first one who requests this 'new' track! ;-) > I hope this starts a thread about the movie Grand Prix ok, here it comes: this movie kicks ass, racing-wise ... but very poor story off the track ... and why didn't they show the race at the glen? I would love to hear them squeeking tires in the loop ;-) Lio

Don't you mean Brands Hatch rather than Silverstone? I too have never managed to catch the start of the film, but I know that the British track used later on in the film is Brands Hatch (I live 3 miles from Brands, so I know what I'm talking about on this occasion! Unless Silv. was used at the very start, I think you're mistaken.... :) Mike. Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well they only could fit in a couple of races... Perhaps it would have > been better if they skipped the 'story' part and only showed all the > races, but then it wouldn't be a movie anymore... > I think the choice of tracks was superb. The races at Spa, Zandvoort, > Silverstone and Monza were fantastic to watch. > > By the way, I noticed to late that the movie was on tv a couple of > weeks ago, so I missed the first part of the movie. I have the movie > on tape from the part where they race on Spa. > Can anyone tell me which races are in the movie besides Spa, > Zandvoort, Silverstone and Monza? > > Andre > > > On 20 Oct 1999 07:30:27 GMT, [email hidden] (Schlomo4) wrote: > > >>ok, here it comes: this movie kicks ass, >racing-wise ... but very poor > >>story off the track ... and why didn't they >show the race at the glen?

I > >>would love to hear them squeeking tires >in the loop ;-) > > > >Yea i was surprised they didnt show it the first time i saw the movieseeing as > >how its an American made film and all. I heard some rumor once aboutthere > >being some kind of reason behind that...they could only fit so many racesin or > >something...probably no truth to the rumor but then again maybe there is. > > > >Chris >

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> Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: > > [...] > > >I think the choice of tracks was superb. The races at Spa, Zandvoort, > >Silverstone and Monza were fantastic to watch. > > >By the way, I noticed to late that the movie was on tv a couple of > >weeks ago, so I missed the first part of the movie. I have the movie > >on tape from the part where they race on Spa. > > >Can anyone tell me which races are in the movie besides Spa, > >Zandvoort, Silverstone and Monza? > > It's been a while since I've seen it but I do recall the movie opens > with some excellent footage from Monaco. IIRC, a certain driver & his > racer end up in the water. > > Has anybody duplicated this feat in GPL?

I haven't duplicated that (I think there is a virtual wall there, so you can't even if you can clear the fence), but i've duplicated Scott Stoddard's (his teammate) excursion into the inside wall many times :) > > -- > " Why bother..." - R. Crumb - -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

And HOW many cameras would that take exactly...???

> I hear also that cars running over the bridge of the banking would collide with > cars below as the sim is not true 3d....don't know if thats true or not. It doesn't seem to be... I've taken my car across the bridge before the last turn at silverstone with traffic below & never been hit. 'Course I could've just gotten lucky, but if you knew me, you would know I don't get lucky very often! Warlock!

This is based on the observation of somebody, who drove onto the bridge of Silverstone during a race. The AI cars running under the bridge tried to dodge him. (I haven't tried this little experiment, but I think it is true). *BUT*, running over an object in the same track section as the AI is a different story than actually being in a totally different track section than the AI (as you were at the crossing in Monza). I don't believe that the AI could 'see' you there. So I'm very optimistic, that a 'banked Monza' *can be done* in GPL. BTW, I've just started writing an editor for *.trk files (which contain the physical layout of a track) just out of interest. If somebody had the knowledge of creating a track.3do file (which seems to be a *** thing) out of a *.trk file, that would be a *big* step towards a working track editor. Sadly, all track editor projects seem to be dead. I only know two sites, which contain infos about track editing and both weren't updated for months: Paul Hoad's Track Editor Project and Phil Flack's GPL File Formats. Does anybody know more sites with good infos about that? Peter (hoping a GPL track editor will become reality - sooner or later...) Vienna, Austria

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it's weird... I seem to have missed all the posts to this topic..... speedracer > > monaco, brands rather than silverstone, and that french track who's > > name i can never remember, but it ain't rouen! > Clermont-Ferrand....but they didn't actually show any racing there, just > some build up of the plot.

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> > My my.... Just watched the movie GRAND PRIX. That monza banking was > > mental!!! I had no idea it was so steep,and so just all around crazy! BTW > > very good movie. > > > > My query.... If someone can create a BrandsHatch track, or a Dubai, I'm > > surprised no one has undertaken the duty of making a converted Monza... It > > would be the absolute coolest! > > > > I hope this starts a thread about the movie Grand Prix > > > > This has been suggested many times, unfortunately no-one has the track > editor to do it, except maybe the mysterious "Dave Noonan". > > Also it may not even be possible due to the effective figure of eight > configuration. > > - Michael

I hear also that cars running over the bridge of the banking would collide with cars below as the sim is not true 3d....don't know if thats true or not.

No, Monza didn't have or use the banking in 1937, only a natural banking. Stephen Colbourne wrote:

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> Spirit of speed has Monza and I think it has the banking > speedracer <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HjcP3.143$[email hidden]... > > My my.... Just watched the movie GRAND PRIX. That monza banking was > > mental!!! I had no idea it was so steep,and so just all around crazy! > BTW > > very good movie. > > > > My query.... If someone can create a BrandsHatch track, or a Dubai, I'm > > surprised no one has undertaken the duty of making a converted Monza... > It > > would be the absolute coolest! > > > > I hope this starts a thread about the movie Grand Prix > > > > speedracer > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Martin Portman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > monaco, brands rather than silverstone, and that french track who's > name i can never remember, but it ain't rouen! > Clermont-Ferrand....but they didn't actually show any racing there, just some build up of the plot.

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:36:04 +0200, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well they only could fit in a couple of races... Perhaps it would have >been better if they skipped the 'story' part and only showed all the >races, but then it wouldn't be a movie anymore... >I think the choice of tracks was superb. The races at Spa, Zandvoort, >Silverstone and Monza were fantastic to watch. There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring. -- Matthias Flatt

> There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring. > > -- > Matthias Flatt And HOW many cameras would that take exactly...???

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Clermont-Ferrand is in it also.

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> [...] > >I think the choice of tracks was superb. The races at Spa, Zandvoort, > >Silverstone and Monza were fantastic to watch. > >By the way, I noticed to late that the movie was on tv a couple of > >weeks ago, so I missed the first part of the movie. I have the movie > >on tape from the part where they race on Spa. > >Can anyone tell me which races are in the movie besides Spa, > >Zandvoort, Silverstone and Monza? > It's been a while since I've seen it but I do recall the movie opens > with some excellent footage from Monaco. IIRC, a certain driver & his > racer end up in the water. > Has anybody duplicated this feat in GPL? > -- > " Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

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Brands it was. The movie starts at Monaco with the famous dive into the harbour. Mark

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> There has been some discussion about this before. I thought it was > Silverstone, but I never was sure about this. So it was Brands after > all... > Andre > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:52:13 +0100, "Mike West" > >Don't you mean Brands Hatch rather than Silverstone? I too have never > >managed to catch the start of the film, but I know that the British track > >used later on in the film is Brands Hatch (I live 3 miles from Brands, so

I > >know what I'm talking about on this occasion! > >Unless Silv. was used at the very start, I think you're mistaken.... :) > >Mike.

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> It's been a while since I've seen it but I do recall the movie opens > with some excellent footage from Monaco. IIRC, a certain driver & his > racer end up in the water. > Has anybody duplicated this feat in GPL? > -- > " Why bother..." - R. Crumb -

Jim Gary is working on it at this point in time. -- mark

A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was it, which car, did he survive? Andre On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:36:05 +0100, "Mark Seery"

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>Brands it was. >The movie starts at Monaco with the famous dive into the harbour. >Mark >> There has been some discussion about this before. I thought it was >> Silverstone, but I never was sure about this. So it was Brands after >> all... >> Andre >> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:52:13 +0100, "Mike West" >> >Don't you mean Brands Hatch rather than Silverstone? I too have never >> >managed to catch the start of the film, but I know that the British track >> >used later on in the film is Brands Hatch (I live 3 miles from Brands, so >I >> >know what I'm talking about on this occasion! >> >Unless Silv. was used at the very start, I think you're mistaken.... :) >> >Mike.

>A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was >it, which car, did he survive? I don't know about the movie, but this has happened twice in real life. In 1955 Alberto Ascari survived a "dunk" in his Lancia, only to die 4 days later in a testing accident at Monza. Ten years later Paul Hawkins repeated the feat in his Lotus. But it must have been in practice because he finished 10th in the race. regards http://members.xoom.com/IanHill http://ianhill.tripod.com/ http://www.crosswinds.net/~ianhill

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Jim has been working on it for over a year!!! :o)

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> > It's been a while since I've seen it but I do recall the movie opens > > with some excellent footage from Monaco. IIRC, a certain driver & his > > racer end up in the water. > > Has anybody duplicated this feat in GPL? > > -- > > " Why bother..." - R. Crumb - > Jim Gary is working on it at this point in time. > -- > mark

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On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:34:17 +0100, Douglas Ellison >> There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring. >And HOW many cameras would that take exactly...??? Well, Frankenheimer had some cameras plus an aircraft or helicopter in Spa, and that equipment would have caught some nice pictures over at the Ring, too. -- Matthias Flatt

> >A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can > >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was > >it, which car, did he survive? In the movie, it was James Garner's character, Pete Aron. The entire Monaco opening is absolutely spectacular, by the way. Aron had a faulty transmission that caused him to slow after the tunnel resulting in a collision with his teammate, Scott Stoddard. Aron winds up in the drink and Stoddard climbs the hillside and flips, getting seriously injured. The team blames Aron and sacks him. That's the reason for the animosity between Aron and Stoddard throughout the film (not to mention the fact that Aron starts sleeping with Stoddard's wife ;-) ). And, no, you can't re-created this in GPL. I had a similar accident once and as I was hurtling towards the Mediterannean, I hit an invisible force-field that kept me dry. Bummer. This race was was just shown on Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsport" a couple of weeks ago (my cable TV supplier just added Speedvision in September!). They didn't get the actual off on film, but they did show the aftermath a few seconds later. Frogmen who were standing by, jumped in, butAscari swam to a nearby yacht, -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

Speaking of the Ring, have any of you seen that new Saturn commercial where they test drive a Saturn at the Ring? There's not a ton of footage, but they do show the car being driven through the Carousel (or perhaps the Little Carousel). Dave -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

does anyone know why I would be missing a bunch of posts? I don't know how many replies were in this thread, but I only recieved 2 or 3. speedracer

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> > >> There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring. > Speaking of the Ring, have any of you seen that new Saturn commercial > where they test drive a Saturn at the Ring? There's not a ton of > footage, but they do show the car being driven through the Carousel (or > perhaps the Little Carousel). > Dave > -- > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > *****************************************************

and if that doesn't work either, is it possible to make traffic lights.....or stop signs? How about policeman standing and swinging his hands? Peter Prochazka kirjoitti viestiss? ... >> I hear also that cars running over the bridge of the banking would collide >with >> cars below as the sim is not true 3d....don't know if thats true or not. >This is based on the observation of somebody, who drove onto the bridge of >Silverstone during a race. The AI cars running under the bridge tried to >dodge him. (I haven't tried this little experiment, but I think it is true). >*BUT*, running over an object in the same track section as the AI is a >different story than actually being in a totally different track section >than the AI (as you were at the crossing in Monza). I don't believe that the >AI could 'see' you there. So I'm very optimistic, that a 'banked Monza' *can >be done* in GPL. >BTW, I've just started writing an editor for *.trk files (which contain the >physical layout of a track) just out of interest. If somebody had the >knowledge of creating a track.3do file (which seems to be a *** thing) out >of a *.trk file, that would be a *big* step towards a working track editor. >Sadly, all track editor projects seem to be dead. I only know two sites, >which contain infos about track editing and both weren't updated for months: >Paul Hoad's Track Editor Project and Phil Flack's GPL File Formats. >Does anybody know more sites with good infos about that? >Peter (hoping a GPL track editor will become reality - sooner or later...) >Vienna, Austria

Matt... 1) Due to the "country road" nature of the circuit it was considered imprudent to have unskilled drivers "race" on it because 2) If an accident occurred, getting an ambulance to the location then the injured party to hospital could have taken excessive time. All the other circuits used in the movie allowed for far easier logistics.

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> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:34:17 +0100, Douglas Ellison > >> There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring. > >And HOW many cameras would that take exactly...??? > Well, Frankenheimer had some cameras plus an aircraft or helicopter in > Spa, and that equipment would have caught some nice pictures over at > the Ring, too. > -- > Matthias Flatt

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On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:47:25 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >1) Due to the "country road" nature of the circuit it was considered >imprudent to have unskilled drivers "race" on it because >2) If an accident occurred, getting an ambulance to the location then the >injured party to hospital could have taken excessive time. Well, if there were concerns about letting the actors drive around the whole Nordschleife in their fake cars or fit a camera to a real driver's car (that went wrong a couple of years ago when the camera fell off, causing crashes) there would still have been the option of taking spectacular pictures of the real drivers by using road-side cameras. For showing the actors driving, a camera mounted in the center of the Suedkurve would have been perfect. Spa and the Ring are both in the mountains, far away from major airports or cities. Some parts of the Ring are in the woods (eg. Kesselchen) , but the most interesting sections can be reached easily even with trucks. And the pictures from above, taken by Zeppelin, airplane or helicopter, used to be interesting in the 1930s, 1950s and 1990s. I just can't understand why Frankenheimer did not include it in the movie. -- Matthias Flatt

Perhaps the directors of the circuit wanted too much in payment?

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> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:47:25 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > >1) Due to the "country road" nature of the circuit it was considered > >imprudent to have unskilled drivers "race" on it because > >2) If an accident occurred, getting an ambulance to the location then the > >injured party to hospital could have taken excessive time. > Well, if there were concerns about letting the actors drive around the > whole Nordschleife in their fake cars or fit a camera to a real > driver's car (that went wrong a couple of years ago when the camera > fell off, causing crashes) there would still have been the option of > taking spectacular pictures of the real drivers by using road-side > cameras. > For showing the actors driving, a camera mounted in the center of the > Suedkurve would have been perfect. > >All the other circuits used in the movie allowed for far easier

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> Spa and the Ring are both in the mountains, far away from major > airports or cities. > Some parts of the Ring are in the woods (eg. Kesselchen) , but the > most interesting sections can be reached easily even with trucks. > And the pictures from above, taken by Zeppelin, airplane or > helicopter, used to be interesting in the 1930s, 1950s and 1990s. > I just can't understand why Frankenheimer did not include it in the > movie. > >> >> There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring. > >> >And HOW many cameras would that take exactly...??? > >> Well, Frankenheimer had some cameras plus an aircraft or helicopter in > >> Spa, and that equipment would have caught some nice pictures over at > >> the Ring, too. > -- > Matthias Flatt

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LOL! And you get blackflagged, when you kill the poor guy... :-) Peter Vienna, Austria

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> Peter Prochazka kirjoitti viestiss? ... > >> I hear also that cars running over the bridge of the banking would > collide > >with > >> cars below as the sim is not true 3d....don't know if thats true or

not. > >This is based on the observation of somebody, who drove onto the bridge of

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> >Silverstone during a race. The AI cars running under the bridge tried to > >dodge him. (I haven't tried this little experiment, but I think it is > true). > >*BUT*, running over an object in the same track section as the AI is a > >different story than actually being in a totally different track section > >than the AI (as you were at the crossing in Monza). I don't believe that > the > >AI could 'see' you there. So I'm very optimistic, that a 'banked Monza' > *can > >be done* in GPL. > >BTW, I've just started writing an editor for *.trk files (which contain

the > >physical layout of a track) just out of interest. If somebody had the > >knowledge of creating a track.3do file (which seems to be a *** thing) > out > >of a *.trk file, that would be a *big* step towards a working track editor.

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> >Sadly, all track editor projects seem to be dead. I only know two sites, > >which contain infos about track editing and both weren't updated for > months: > >Paul Hoad's Track Editor Project and Phil Flack's GPL File Formats. > >Does anybody know more sites with good infos about that? > >Peter (hoping a GPL track editor will become reality - sooner or

later...) > >Vienna, Austria

I always though that this part of the movie was really lame - I mean, Aaaron is being LAPPED by his TEAMMATE, and he won't let him past? Of course his team fired him - who wouldn't? And some mechanic in the movie makes the asinine comment "Pete still has a chance to win". Right. 1 lap down at Monaco, where passing is impossible, the race almost over, and he still has a chance to win. Sure, maybe meteors will fall on all the other cars and put them out of the race :). Apart from that, a great movie :). Chris > > >A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can > > >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was > > >it, which car, did he survive? > In the movie, it was James Garner's character, Pete Aron. The entire Monaco > opening is absolutely spectacular, by the way. Aron had a faulty > transmission that caused him to slow after the tunnel resulting in a > collision with his teammate, Scott Stoddard. Aron winds up in the drink and > Stoddard climbs the hillside and flips, getting seriously injured. The team > blames Aron and sacks him. That's the reason for the animosity between Aron > and Stoddard throughout the film (not to mention the fact that Aron starts > sleeping with Stoddard's wife ;-) ). > And, no, you can't re-created this in GPL. I had a similar accident once and > as I was hurtling towards the Mediterannean, I hit an invisible force-field > that kept me dry. Bummer. > > I don't know about the movie, but this has happened twice in real life. > > In 1955 Alberto Ascari survived a "dunk" in his Lancia, only to die 4 days > > later in a testing accident at Monza. > This race was was just shown on Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsport" a > couple of weeks ago (my cable TV supplier just added Speedvision in > September!). They didn't get the actual off on film, but they did show the

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> aftermath a few seconds later. Frogmen who were standing by, jumped in, > butAscari swam to a nearby yacht, > -- > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > *****************************************************

Apparently fours days after his dip, he borrowed a 3 litre ferrari sports car at Monza to test his nerve, but on the third lap he struck the edge of the track and rolled over, and died shortly after before he could get to a hospital. It's amazing how many of the greatest drivers died racing... speedracer > I always though that this part of the movie was really lame - I mean, Aaaron > is being LAPPED by his TEAMMATE, and he won't let him past? Of course his > team fired him - who wouldn't? And some mechanic in the movie makes the > asinine comment "Pete still has a chance to win". Right. 1 lap down at > Monaco, where passing is impossible, the race almost over, and he still has > a chance to win. Sure, maybe meteors will fall on all the other cars and put

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> them out of the race :). > Apart from that, a great movie :). > Chris > > > >A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can > > > >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was > > > >it, which car, did he survive? > > In the movie, it was James Garner's character, Pete Aron. The entire > Monaco > > opening is absolutely spectacular, by the way. Aron had a faulty > > transmission that caused him to slow after the tunnel resulting in a > > collision with his teammate, Scott Stoddard. Aron winds up in the drink > and > > Stoddard climbs the hillside and flips, getting seriously injured. The > team > > blames Aron and sacks him. That's the reason for the animosity between > Aron > > and Stoddard throughout the film (not to mention the fact that Aron

starts > > sleeping with Stoddard's wife ;-) ). > > And, no, you can't re-created this in GPL. I had a similar accident once > and > > as I was hurtling towards the Mediterannean, I hit an invisible > force-field > > that kept me dry. Bummer. > > > I don't know about the movie, but this has happened twice in real life.

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> > > In 1955 Alberto Ascari survived a "dunk" in his Lancia, only to die 4 > days > > > later in a testing accident at Monza. > > This race was was just shown on Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsport" a > > couple of weeks ago (my cable TV supplier just added Speedvision in > > September!). They didn't get the actual off on film, but they did show > the > > aftermath a few seconds later. Frogmen who were standing by, jumped in, > > butAscari swam to a nearby yacht, > > -- > > ***************************************************** > > David A. Ewing > > *****************************************************

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I believe he's referring to Alberto Ascari. Mark

There were some uncanny coincidences between (Antonio) his father's death and his own.The elder Ascari had been killed on the 26th of the month, The same day that son died. Each was 36 years old at time of death. Both drivers had been killed just four days after surviving horific accidents and both occured at the exit of fast left hand corners. In neither case was there a firm reason why they went off the track. Alberto Ascari was killed whilst doing an impromptu drive at a test session at Monza. He was not due to drive that day but went To the track to see how testing was going with his partner Eugenio Castelotti, with whom he was to share a works Ferrari sportscar in a 100Km race the following weekend. Castelotti Was astonished when Ascari offered to drive, even though he was suffering terribly with a broken nose, the after effect of his enforced swim in the Med. This astonishment was compounded when Ascari used Castelotti's helmet. This was always a taboo thing to do with Alberto, who only ever wore his "lucky" light blue one. Mark

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> Apparently fours days after his dip, he borrowed a 3 litre ferrari sports > car at Monza to test his nerve, but on the third lap he struck the edge of > the track and rolled over, and died shortly after before he could get to a > hospital. > It's amazing how many of the greatest drivers died racing... > speedracer > > I always though that this part of the movie was really lame - I mean, > Aaaron > > is being LAPPED by his TEAMMATE, and he won't let him past? Of course

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> > team fired him - who wouldn't? And some mechanic in the movie makes the > > asinine comment "Pete still has a chance to win". Right. 1 lap down at > > Monaco, where passing is impossible, the race almost over, and he still > has > > a chance to win. Sure, maybe meteors will fall on all the other cars and > put > > them out of the race :). > > Apart from that, a great movie :). > > Chris > > > > >A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can > > > > >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was > > > > >it, which car, did he survive? > > > In the movie, it was James Garner's character, Pete Aron. The entire > > Monaco > > > opening is absolutely spectacular, by the way. Aron had a faulty > > > transmission that caused him to slow after the tunnel resulting in a > > > collision with his teammate, Scott Stoddard. Aron winds up in the

drink > > and > > > Stoddard climbs the hillside and flips, getting seriously injured. The > > team > > > blames Aron and sacks him. That's the reason for the animosity between

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> > Aron > > > and Stoddard throughout the film (not to mention the fact that Aron > starts > > > sleeping with Stoddard's wife ;-) ). > > > And, no, you can't re-created this in GPL. I had a similar accident > once > > and > > > as I was hurtling towards the Mediterannean, I hit an invisible > > force-field > > > that kept me dry. Bummer. > > > > I don't know about the movie, but this has happened twice in real > life. > > > > In 1955 Alberto Ascari survived a "dunk" in his Lancia, only to die

4 > > days > > > > later in a testing accident at Monza. > > > This race was was just shown on Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsport" a > > > couple of weeks ago (my cable TV supplier just added Speedvision in > > > September!). They didn't get the actual off on film, but they did show > > the > > > aftermath a few seconds later. Frogmen who were standing by, jumped in,

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> > > butAscari swam to a nearby yacht, > > > -- > > > ***************************************************** > > > David A. Ewing > > > *****************************************************

You only need to get off the track to the right after the pits. ;-) Banking is still there. Jens <snip> --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

Or he found a shortcut ;-) Jens <snip> --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

This is my favorite way through the chicane. ;-) Jens BTW: I need some training at Monaco >I haven't duplicated that (I think there is a virtual wall there, so you can't >even if you can clear the fence), but i've duplicated Scott Stoddard's (his >teammate) excursion into the inside wall many times :) --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

So it is Jens >There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring. --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address