Re: R: GPL, what is Honda & Cooper?

I think the Coventry probably refers to the Coventry Climax engine which was fitted to some cars of this era, not sure if the Cooper had one without looking it up. I also believe that Cooper are in the south of England may be Sussex or Hampshire. Could be wrong on both counts though:-) Paul Johan Foederer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Question: Are Coventry and Murasama the names of where the car factories > were? > > // Johan > > > Honda=Murasama > > Cooper=Coventry

I think Cooper's came from Surbiton. Can't hazard a guess about Honda. Steve Johan Foederer wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Question: Are Coventry and Murasama the names of where the car factories >were? > >// Johan > >> Honda=Murasama >> Cooper=Coventry

Hello, There are posts that refer cars in GPL as Honda and Cooper that seems to be another name, can anyone tell me what they suppose to be? Griffin.

Cheng Chi Sang <[email hidden]> wrote in message 83n87b$[email hidden]... > Hello, > > There are posts that refer cars in GPL as Honda and Cooper that seems > to be another name, can anyone tell me what they suppose to be? > Honda=Murasama Cooper=Coventry geps. --- GPL Italia � su Driving http://multiplayer.it/driving

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> >Cheng Chi Sang <[email hidden]> wrote in message >83n87b$[email hidden]... >> Hello, >> >> There are posts that refer cars in GPL as Honda and Cooper that seems >> to be another name, can anyone tell me what they suppose to be? >> > > >Honda=Murasama >Cooper=Coventry > > > >geps. > >--- >GPL Italia � su Driving >http://multiplayer.it/driving > >

Many of the GPL sites on the web have patches that allow you to change Coventry and Murasama to Cooper and Honda. If I remember correctly, licensing issues precluded using the real names. Are you having fun? Kurt

Question: Are Coventry and Murasama the names of where the car factories were? // Johan > Honda=Murasama > Cooper=Coventry

Have no idea about the japanese rice burner, but according to http://members.tripod.com/Corktree/Case_History.html the Cooper Car Company Ltd had their home in - Surbiton, Surrey (or Greater London), 1950-1965 (from 1949 according to other sources) - Byfleet, Surrey 1966-1969 i.e. nowhere near Coventry, West Midlands, but perhaps there are some other Town/City/Place named Coventry, lesser known to a non-brit, which Charles and John Cooper are connected to. (http://www.krbaker.demon.co.uk/britcars/index.html is quite interesting if you are into british cars.) Stefan Johan Foederer wrote:

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> > Question: Are Coventry and Murasama the names of where the car factories > were? > > // Johan > > > Honda=Murasama > > Cooper=Coventry

Coventry-Climax engines........ MS Stefan Magnusson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Have no idea about the japanese rice burner, but according to > http://members.tripod.com/Corktree/Case_History.html > the Cooper Car Company Ltd had their home in > - Surbiton, Surrey (or Greater London), 1950-1965 (from 1949 according > to other sources) > - Byfleet, Surrey 1966-1969 > i.e. nowhere near Coventry, West Midlands, but perhaps there are some > other Town/City/Place named Coventry, lesser known to a non-brit, which > Charles and John Cooper are connected to. > > (http://www.krbaker.demon.co.uk/britcars/index.html > is quite interesting if you are into british cars.) > > Stefan > > > Johan Foederer wrote: > > > > Question: Are Coventry and Murasama the names of where the car factories > > were? > > > > // Johan > > > > > Honda=Murasama > > > Cooper=Coventry

No. They really have no connection with the real teams. Johan Foederer wrote:

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> Question: Are Coventry and Murasama the names of where the car factories > were? > > // Johan > > > Honda=Murasama > > Cooper=Coventry

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Murasama = Honda Coventry = Cooper Cheng Chi Sang wrote: > Hello, > > There are posts that refer cars in GPL as Honda and Cooper that seems > to be another name, can anyone tell me what they suppose to be? > > Griffin. -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

I'm fairly sure you'll find that Honda didn't come from Surbiton as well ;>0

No, they came from Motegi, thats not in Surbiton. Steve >> I think Cooper's came from Surbiton. Can't hazard a guess about Honda. >> Steve >I'm fairly sure you'll find that Honda didn't come from Surbiton as well ;>0

You are certainly right about the Coventry Climax engine. It had ruled the 1.5 litre class in the years before (Cooper, Lotus and BRM used it amongst others) and was basically bored and stroked for the 3 litre formula - off the top of my head I think it could only be stretched to 2.5 litres. No one at the time thought the 3 litre formula would be a success and as a result there were no engines available at the start of the year and so some teams were still running 1.5 litres. The engine itself has a fascinating history - Coventry Climax made engines for fire engine water pumps and someone found out (how, I can't imagine) that the engine would make an excellent race engine. A version of the engine later made its way into a mainstream road car (the Hillman Imp - a rear engined competitor for the Mini) but suffered from poor reliability. Tony Whitley Born and bred in Coventry when it was THE motor town. Nowadays all the factories have been replaced by MuckDonald's, supermarkets and houses.

My workplace actually has a Coventry Climax engine in its original fire pump form (ex Canadian Armed Forces unit). Its a tidy little package and makes a fantastic sound when you rev it. Its very easy tosee why it was developed into a race winner since it is lightweight and small in external dimension. The fire pump engine is a SOHC version using some kind of single updraft carb on a log manifold. It revs very quickly for an engine of the 1950s. David

Ah well I rather suspected as much . Still it is interesting to actually see the sort of engineering that the C-C company was capable of. The fire pump four really is a nice bit of engineering which shows up very well versus other 1950's era powerplants that I have seen. If it is not the GP engine itself it is at least the Grandfather or Great-Uncle-by- marriage of the GP engine. :) I still love the raw sound it makes. Best regards David > Apart from the overhead cam arrangement and the script on the cam-cover, there > is very little that is the same between this engine and the racing versions of > the famed CC 4-cylinder. In fact, I don't think that anything of importance is > actually interchangeable, David. > > My workplace actually has a Coventry Climax engine in its original fire pump > > form (ex Canadian Armed Forces unit). Its a tidy little package and makes a > > fantastic sound when you rev it. Its very easy tosee why it was developed > > into a race winner since it is lightweight and small in external dimension. > > The fire pump engine is a SOHC version using some kind of single updraft > > carb on a log manifold. It revs very quickly for an engine of the 1950s. > > David > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

Apart from the overhead cam arrangement and the script on the cam-cover, there is very little that is the same between this engine and the racing versions of the famed CC 4-cylinder. In fact, I don't think that anything of importance is actually interchangeable, David.

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> > You are certainly right about the Coventry Climax engine. It had ruled the > > 1.5 litre class in the years before (Cooper, Lotus and BRM used it amongst > > others) and was basically bored and stroked for the 3 litre formula - off > > the top of my head I think it could only be stretched to 2.5 litres. No > one > > at the time thought the 3 litre formula would be a success and as a result > > there were no engines available at the start of the year and so some teams > > were still running 1.5 litres. > > The engine itself has a fascinating history - Coventry Climax made engines > > for fire engine water pumps and someone found out (how, I can't imagine) > > that the engine would make an excellent race engine. A version of the > engine > > later made its way into a mainstream road car (the Hillman Imp - a rear > > engined competitor for the Mini) but suffered from poor reliability. > My workplace actually has a Coventry Climax engine in its original fire pump > form (ex Canadian Armed Forces unit). Its a tidy little package and makes a > fantastic sound when you rev it. Its very easy tosee why it was developed > into a race winner since it is lightweight and small in external dimension. > The fire pump engine is a SOHC version using some kind of single updraft > carb on a log manifold. It revs very quickly for an engine of the 1950s. > David

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Yep....the fire-pump engine was a beauty and the reason it was chosen for such duty was the fact that it could run at maximum revs all day and all night without any problems........just so long as the oil was kept topped up. Its larger-than-normal tolerances meant that it burnt a bit of oil....but it was designed to do so, thus allowing it to run at a constant high speed. The problem that Rootes had when adopting that technology to a mass-production engine (or an engine for the masses is probably more appropriate!) was that the average driver wasn't used to checking his oil every second day and, if oil was used, he complained that something was wrong! A lovely little engine, however. I had an Imp for several years and the engine/transmission peed all over any other small car of that time insofar as modern technology was concerned. (That engine was also used, in larger capacity, in the Lotus Elite).

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> Ah well I rather suspected as much . Still it is interesting to actually see > the sort of engineering that the C-C company was capable of. The fire pump > four really is a nice bit of engineering which shows up very well versus > other 1950's era powerplants that I have seen. If it is not the GP engine > itself it is at least the Grandfather or Great-Uncle-by- marriage of the GP > engine. :) I still love the raw sound it makes. > Best regards > David > > Apart from the overhead cam arrangement and the script on the cam-cover, > there > > is very little that is the same between this engine and the racing > versions of > > the famed CC 4-cylinder. In fact, I don't think that anything of > importance is > > actually interchangeable, David. > > > My workplace actually has a Coventry Climax engine in its original fire > pump > > > form (ex Canadian Armed Forces unit). Its a tidy little package and > makes a > > > fantastic sound when you rev it. Its very easy tosee why it was > developed > > > into a race winner since it is lightweight and small in external > dimension. > > > The fire pump engine is a SOHC version using some kind of single updraft > > > carb on a log manifold. It revs very quickly for an engine of the 1950s. > > > David > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News > ==---------- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers > ==-----

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On my poor memory? You don't actually expect anyone to check facts on the Usenet, do you ;-)

I've been up in my attic, sifting through my primary sources - 30 years of "Motor Sport" magazines. I was a little off target (I was thinking more of the start of the 1.5-litre formula which some people tried to ignore and organised races for cars of the old formula) but I quote: "A lot of gloomy people were going round saying that 1966 GP racing was going to be a farce, with people using tired old bodged up cars made from obsolete parts, such as the 2.7-litre Coventry-Climax 4-cylinder engine. This attitude was also prevalent among British organisers, who turned their backs on Formula 1 in their plans for 1966..." January, 1966. The writer (D.S.J. of course) does go on to say that this thinking was wrong. The report on the first "proper" 3-litre GP (Monaco, May) shows an entry list with McLaren, Brabham, Cooper, Ferrari and BRM entering ten 3-litre cars in a field of 24. Only Surtees, McLaren, Brabham and the three Cooper-Maseratis started the race with 3-litre engines. Only two 3-litre cars were running (unclassified, 25 laps behind) at the end of the race. I don't think that can be called an auspicious start so I don't think my original statement was so astounding. Anyhow, this is wasting time I could be spending trying to get round the 'Ring under 10 minutes for a second time (he boasted pathetically) Merry Xmas, Tony Whitley > > Exactly WHAT do you base this rather astounding statement on, Tony??!! > On my poor memory? You don't actually expect anyone to check facts on the > Usenet, do you ;-)

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