rFactor won't run

Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". Suggestions? Pat Dotson

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> Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but > program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". > > Suggestions? > > Pat Dotson >

win98 dx9b and rfactor runs great. Aren't Illegal Ops generally system memory conflicts? dave henrie

Are your graphics drivers up to date? Pat Dotson wrote: > Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but > program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". > > Suggestions? > > Pat Dotson

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> [email hidden] (Pat Dotson) wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but >> program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". >> >> Suggestions?

all I can say is it runs ok on my 98se box (nvidia 4800se, dx 9.0c, driver 45.xx) hang in there! cheers uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

No, probably not. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try that next. Pat Matthew Jessick <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Are your graphics drivers up to date? > > > Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but > > program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". > > > > Suggestions?

Hey! Installing new display drivers worked. But the frame rate completely sucks. Athlon 1500+ and GeForce 4 MX 440. Am I stuck until the next CPU/video upgrade? Would a newer video card help? Or do I need to upgrade video and CPU both? BTW, by "sucks", I'm talking drops down into the teens. Pat Dotson [email hidden] (Pat Dotson) wrote in message > No, probably not. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try that next.

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> > Matthew Jessick <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Are your graphics drivers up to date? > > > > > Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but > > > program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". > > > > > > Suggestions?

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> Hey! Installing new display drivers worked. But the frame rate > completely sucks. Athlon 1500+ and GeForce 4 MX 440. > > Am I stuck until the next CPU/video upgrade? Would a newer video card > help? Or do I need to upgrade video and CPU both? > > BTW, by "sucks", I'm talking drops down into the teens. > > Pat Dotson > > > [email hidden] (Pat Dotson) wrote in message > No, probably > not. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try that next. >> >> Matthew Jessick <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > Are your graphics drivers up to date? >> > >> > > Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but >> > > program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". >> > > >> > > Suggestions? >

You are two generations behind in cpu power and 3 generations late in Video processing. You certainly don't have a slow system, but to run the newest sims, you'll need to think about more....lots more. dave henrie

Dave Henrie wrote: ... > You are two generations behind in cpu power and 3 generations late in Video > processing. You certainly don't have a slow system, but to run the newest > sims, you'll need to think about more....lots more. I agree on most of what you say, but all he needs to get a decent image quality and fps for rF is an ATI 9600. I've tried one in my system, and while I had to set all graphics quality options to Medium instead of full, I get around 45 to 50 fps most everywhere and still good image quality. That's with 2xAA and 4xAniso. That gfx card costs ~ �80.- -- Achim http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > ... >> You are two generations behind in cpu power and 3 generations late in >> Video processing. You certainly don't have a slow system, but to run >> the newest sims, you'll need to think about more....lots more. > > I agree on most of what you say, but all he needs to get a decent > image quality and fps for rF is an ATI 9600. I've tried one in my > system, and while I had to set all graphics quality options to Medium > instead of full, I get around 45 to 50 fps most everywhere and still > good image quality. That's with 2xAA and 4xAniso. That gfx card costs > ~ �80.- >

but you are still limiting your future. And remember, this is a cripled demo. I suspect the final processing/video requirements will be at least somewhat higher with the final release. My son has an ati 9500 pro and it runs even doom3 without too much trouble. But as we start piling on dynamic lighting effects and more cars and the full physics package. I think both his cpu and vidcard will be strained. dh

Dave Henrie wrote: ... > but you are still limiting your future... Sure. I'm not saying with a 9600 he'll be king. But if he wants a quick and cheap upgrade, the 9600 is worth giving a try. -- Achim http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

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> Hey! Installing new display drivers worked. But the frame rate > completely sucks. Athlon 1500+ and GeForce 4 MX 440. > > Am I stuck until the next CPU/video upgrade? Would a newer video card > help? Or do I need to upgrade video and CPU both? > > BTW, by "sucks", I'm talking drops down into the teens. > > Pat Dotson > > > [email hidden] (Pat Dotson) wrote in message > No, probably not. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try that next. > > > > Matthew Jessick <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > Are your graphics drivers up to date? > > > > > > > Win 98 SE. Installed DX 9 from MS website. Setup runs OK, but > > > > program crashes on launch with the standard "illegal operation". > > > > > > > > Suggestions?

Hi Pat - A GeForce 4 MX 440 is really a GeForce 2-level chip. Almost any video card you would buy today for $50 or more (like a Radeon 9600) would be miles better, and that alone would make a big improvement in your game (until the next big thing, of course). joe image space

Thanks for the replies everyone! I'm going to pick up an Athlon 2400+ and a Radeon 9600. My motherboard will support that CPU, so it will be a fairly cheap upgrade. Unfortunately, the mobo only does 4X AGP. I currently have 256 Mb DDR memory. Hope that isn't a limitation. Another 128 Mb is only $30 though. Rfactor looks great. When it is supposed to be released? [email hidden] (Scoob Droolins) wrote in message

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> Hi Pat - > > A GeForce 4 MX 440 is really a GeForce 2-level chip. Almost any video > card you would buy today for $50 or more (like a Radeon 9600) would be > miles better, and that alone would make a big improvement in your game > (until the next big thing, of course). > > joe > image space

Pat, if you can afford the RAM, get another 256MB as well. It won't increase the fps per se a lot, but it will make the whole system smoother and will probably, overall, improve gaming performance as well. -- Achim http://users.skynet.be/AchimT

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > ... > > You are two generations behind in cpu power and 3 generations late in Video > > processing. You certainly don't have a slow system, but to run the newest > > sims, you'll need to think about more....lots more. > > I agree on most of what you say, but all he needs to get a decent image > quality and fps for rF is an ATI 9600. I've tried one in my system, and > while I had to set all graphics quality options to Medium instead of > full, I get around 45 to 50 fps most everywhere and still good image > quality. That's with 2xAA and 4xAniso. That gfx card costs ~ �80.-

I can confirm fFactor runs very acceptably with a 9600 on normal settings.

Pat, not long ago, Was a discussion replying to me, one similiar question about 4x vs 8x AGP's and stuff, consensus of the article they linked me to was that there was 3-6% difference in perfomance from same motherboard that could be set to 4x, & also set to 8x agp... I think it was a tiny bit older cards, newer ones might be slowly putting 8x "demands" on AGP but prolly not all the time. Pat Dotson enlightened us with:

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> Thanks for the replies everyone! I'm going to pick up an Athlon 2400+ > and a Radeon 9600. My motherboard will support that CPU, so it will > be a fairly cheap upgrade. Unfortunately, the mobo only does 4X AGP. > I currently have 256 Mb DDR memory. Hope that isn't a limitation. > Another 128 Mb is only $30 though. > > Rfactor looks great. When it is supposed to be released? > > [email hidden] (Scoob Droolins) wrote in message >> Hi Pat - >> >> A GeForce 4 MX 440 is really a GeForce 2-level chip. Almost any >> video card you would buy today for $50 or more (like a Radeon 9600) >> would be miles better, and that alone would make a big improvement >> in your game (until the next big thing, of course). >> >> joe >> image space

I ended up with a 2600+ Sempron. Supposed to run at 1830 MHz, but seems to run OK OC'd to 2200 MHz, so that's good. Had to get a new mobo since old one didn't support the Sempron. New board has 8X agp so that's also good. Picked up a Radeon 9550 too. Still running DDR 2700 memory though, so that needs to be replaced soon. F1 2002 looks great maxed out. It's always nice to be able to turn on all the detail for the first time. Haven't been able to fire up rFactor yet since my Win 98 installation is hosed at the moment. Win XP installed on a second HD is running fine. On the Win 98 issue... Before installing the new Radeon, I removed all the old video card drivers. Seems to also have removed the standard display adapters from Win 98 as well. The new Radeon driver won't install unless there is already a standard VGA or SVGA adapter installed. On top of that, my Win 98 SE CD is missing, so I can't re-install. Can the Win 98 standard display drivers be found online anywhere? Thanks, Pat Dotson "Plowboy2" <stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote in message news:<U0umd.11$wC.7@lakeread08>...

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> Pat, > > not long ago, Was a discussion replying to me, one similiar question > about 4x vs 8x AGP's and stuff, consensus of the article they linked me to > was that there was 3-6% difference in perfomance from same motherboard that > could be set to 4x, & also set to 8x agp... I think it was a tiny bit > older cards, newer ones might be slowly putting 8x "demands" on AGP but > prolly not all the time. > > Pat Dotson enlightened us with: > > Thanks for the replies everyone! I'm going to pick up an Athlon 2400+ > > and a Radeon 9600. My motherboard will support that CPU, so it will > > be a fairly cheap upgrade. Unfortunately, the mobo only does 4X AGP. > > I currently have 256 Mb DDR memory. Hope that isn't a limitation. > > Another 128 Mb is only $30 though. > > > > Rfactor looks great. When it is supposed to be released? > > > > [email hidden] (Scoob Droolins) wrote in message > >> Hi Pat - > >> > >> A GeForce 4 MX 440 is really a GeForce 2-level chip. Almost any > >> video card you would buy today for $50 or more (like a Radeon 9600) > >> would be miles better, and that alone would make a big improvement > >> in your game (until the next big thing, of course). > >> > >> joe > >> image space

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>On the Win 98 issue... Before installing the new Radeon, I removed >all the old video card drivers. Seems to also have removed the >standard display adapters from Win 98 as well. The new Radeon driver >won't install unless there is already a standard VGA or SVGA adapter >installed. On top of that, my Win 98 SE CD is missing, so I can't >re-install. Can the Win 98 standard display drivers be found online >anywhere? > >Thanks, > >Pat Dotson

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