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Re: Grand Prix Legends can break your heart.

23 posts by 13 people · 08 Feb 2000 - 13 Feb 2000

Hardest GPL corners: Monaco's chicane and beyond

Following a post about how GPL can break your heart, drivers swapped stories about the hardest corners, especially Monaco's post-tunnel chicane, Rouen's hairpin and the Nurburgring. Tips included lifting before the crest after the tunnel, and the thread ended with jokes about demolishing the house at Spa's Masta kink and running over the starter.

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Cossie 08 Feb 2000#290193
Can we take that chicane at Monaco flat out or do we have to brake? In article <Kx%n4.2791$h8.113141@wards>, "idav" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (81 lines)>Hello Bruce, > >Hah...!!!!! > >I knew it... > >"That bloody chicane..." > >Thank you God...I'm not the only one..... > >Monaco is a sure f***ing cure for constipation. > >The only horse-power that should be allowed around that place is the four >legged variety after all the place seems to have more straw bails than owt >else. > >Blink here or get an itchy arse and you may as well stick your head between >your legs and kiss your knackers goodbye. > >One tough and deadly place. > >Jim Clark et all must of had balls of steel. > >idav > > > > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I think that the N-ring IS winnable, Mr. Idav...........and it took me >more >> than six months just to complete a full-distance race then another six >> months before getting into the top three. :-) >> That's with a completely default GPL installation (other than sounds) I >> might add, and at F1 level. >> >> The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a full >> distance and have invariably come to grief at that bloody chichane after >the >> tunnel!!! >> >> The road courses are easy (relatively speaking, of course!) after Monaco. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Bruce Kennewell, >> Canberra, Australia. >> --------------------------- >> >> idav <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:7vZn4.2647$h8.108744@wards... >> > Don't laugh. >> > >> > It bloody can. >> > >> > NOTHING more dispiriting than watching a tail end charlie disappearing >in >> a >> > cloud of dust while I'm wrestling my jallopy with as much finesse as a >> > rasping fart. >> > >> > My motto...? >> > >> > Don't race on a track where there are too many bloody 1st gear bends. >> > >> > The ring didn't half tighten mine. >> > >> > Me, I only race now on Monza, Spa, Ost (ta very much Dave!!) Zand and >the >> > Glen. >> > >> > All the others drive me to drink. >> > >> > Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? >> > >> > If you have.....blimey..!!!!! >> > >> > You didn't cheat...? >> > >> > The only way I would come first is to become a bloody dodgem
car.....but
Quoted text (14 lines)>> > then again, I'd have to catch the fast buggers first. >> > >> > idav. >> > >> > Every day, in every way I'm getting slower. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News >==---------- >> http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the
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idav 08 Feb 2000#518602
Don't laugh. It ***y can. NOTHING more dispiriting than watching a tail end charlie disappearing in a cloud of dust while I'm wrestling my jallopy with as much finesse as a rasping fart. My motto...? Don't race on a track where there are too many ***y 1st gear bends. The ring didn't half tighten mine. Me, I only race now on Monza, Spa, Ost (ta very much Dave!!) Zand and the Glen. All the others drive me to drink. Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? If you have.....blimey..!!!!! You didn't cheat...? The only way I would come first is to become a ***y dodgem car.....but then again, I'd have to catch the fast ***s first. idav. Every day, in every way I'm getting slower.
idav 08 Feb 2000#518603
Hello Bruce, Hah...!!!!! I knew it... "That ***y chicane..." Thank you God...I'm not the only one..... Monaco is a sure f***ing cure for constipation. The only horse-power that should be allowed around that place is the four legged variety after all the place seems to have more straw bails than owt else. Blink here or get an itchy arse and you may as well stick your head between your legs and kiss your knackers goodbye. One tough and deadly place. Jim Clark et all must of had balls of steel. idav > I think that the N-ring IS winnable, Mr. Idav...........and it took me more
Quoted text (7 lines)> than six months just to complete a full-distance race then another six > months before getting into the top three. :-) > That's with a completely default GPL installation (other than sounds) I > might add, and at F1 level. > The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a full > distance and have invariably come to grief at that ***y chichane after
the
Quoted text (18 lines)> tunnel!!! > The road courses are easy (relatively speaking, of course!) after Monaco. > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Don't laugh. > > It ***y can. > > NOTHING more dispiriting than watching a tail end charlie disappearing
in
Quoted text (11 lines)> a > > cloud of dust while I'm wrestling my jallopy with as much finesse as a > > rasping fart. > > My motto...? > > Don't race on a track where there are too many ***y 1st gear bends. > > The ring didn't half tighten mine. > > Me, I only race now on Monza, Spa, Ost (ta very much Dave!!) Zand and
the
Quoted text (18 lines)> > Glen. > > All the others drive me to drink. > > Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? > > If you have.....blimey..!!!!! > > You didn't cheat...? > > The only way I would come first is to become a ***y dodgem car.....but > > then again, I'd have to catch the fast ***s first. > > idav. > > Every day, in every way I'm getting slower. > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News
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(snip) > Jim Clark et all must of had balls of steel.======================================== ...and high-tensile at that! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- idav <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Kx%n4.2791$h8.113141@wards... > Hello Bruce, > > Hah...!!!!! > > I knew it... > > "That bloody chicane..." > > Thank you God...I'm not the only one..... > > Monaco is a sure f***ing cure for constipation. > > The only horse-power that should be allowed around that place is the four > legged variety after all the place seems to have more straw bails than owt > else. > > Blink here or get an itchy arse and you may as well stick your head between > your legs and kiss your knackers goodbye. > > One tough and deadly place. > > Jim Clark et all must of had balls of steel. > > idav > > > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I think that the N-ring IS winnable, Mr. Idav...........and it took me > more > > than six months just to complete a full-distance race then another six > > months before getting into the top three. :-) > > That's with a completely default GPL installation (other than sounds) I > > might add, and at F1 level. > > > > The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a full > > distance and have invariably come to grief at that bloody chichane after > the > > tunnel!!! > > > > The road courses are easy (relatively speaking, of course!) after Monaco. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > idav <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7vZn4.2647$h8.108744@wards... > > > Don't laugh. > > > > > > It bloody can. > > > > > > NOTHING more dispiriting than watching a tail end charlie disappearing > in > > a > > > cloud of dust while I'm wrestling my jallopy with as much finesse as a > > > rasping fart. > > > > > > My motto...? > > > > > > Don't race on a track where there are too many bloody 1st gear bends. > > > > > > The ring didn't half tighten mine. > > > > > > Me, I only race now on Monza, Spa, Ost (ta very much Dave!!) Zand and > the > > > Glen. > > > > > > All the others drive me to drink. > > > > > > Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? > > > > > > If you have.....blimey..!!!!! > > > > > > You didn't cheat...? > > > > > > The only way I would come first is to become a bloody dodgem car.....but > > > then again, I'd have to catch the fast buggers first. > > > > > > idav. > > > > > > Every day, in every way I'm getting slower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News > ==---------- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers > ==----- > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----
bale. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <87qm5r$5sq$[email hidden]>, Cossie > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Can we take that chicane at Monaco flat out or do we have to > brake? > > The only F1 car I can get round Monaco in is the Honda. The way > I go through the chicane is by lifting the throttle just before > I go over the crest of the hill after the tunnel and then > gliding down the hill on the right before letting the car run > through the chicane. > > Getting on the power down the hill seems to upset the balance of > the car and I always end up in a hay bail:) > > Chris > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----
MichaelJP 09 Feb 2000#290162
In article <87rua6$h87$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
Quoted text (13 lines)> Ahh... > But the king of all corners for spectacular destruction and humilation for > me has to be the kink at Spa. > > How many times have people here been billed by that nice Belgian family that > lives in the village of Masta for house repairs? I've torn down their > fence, knocked off the stoop, and ended up their living room on more than > one occasion. Sometimes I even manage to bring another guy with me > (Surtees, if he's on top of me *again* as we enter the thing...) > > Nice folks, really. Even though the father always says to me "You know, a > slight leeft before you enter ze second hav of ze kink woodn't be bad, you > know? You are no Woeger...."
LOL! I've visited that particular family many times, probably if everyone in this newsgroup really had raced in the 60's there wouldn't be anything left of that house:-) (Or us for that matter) - Michael
Graeme Nash 09 Feb 2000#290167
>Bloody kids - too much time on their hands I say! >Nice one Graeme :) Hehe cheers :-) Although I've only won one 'ring race offline. And it took me until the last corner of the last lap to pass Brabham for the lead :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash
I think that the N-ring IS winnable, Mr. Idav...........and it took me more than six months just to complete a full-distance race then another six months before getting into the top three. :-) That's with a completely default GPL installation (other than sounds) I might add, and at F1 level. The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a full distance and have invariably come to grief at that bloody chichane after the tunnel!!! The road courses are easy (relatively speaking, of course!) after Monaco. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- idav <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7vZn4.2647$h8.108744@wards... > Don't laugh. > > It bloody can. > > NOTHING more dispiriting than watching a tail end charlie disappearing in a > cloud of dust while I'm wrestling my jallopy with as much finesse as a > rasping fart. > > My motto...? > > Don't race on a track where there are too many bloody 1st gear bends. > > The ring didn't half tighten mine. > > Me, I only race now on Monza, Spa, Ost (ta very much Dave!!) Zand and the > Glen. > > All the others drive me to drink. > > Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? > > If you have.....blimey..!!!!! > > You didn't cheat...? > > The only way I would come first is to become a bloody dodgem car.....but > then again, I'd have to catch the fast buggers first. > > idav. > > Every day, in every way I'm getting slower. > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----
The Mighty Puck 09 Feb 2000 00:50 UTC#290209
Hmmm. I was thinking about trying Monaco to improve my car handling skills (me rank rank beginner). But since I've already freaked out my girlfriend screaming "f*ckin f*ck'd f*ck*r's" over and over again just trying to do a novice race at Monza without ctl-r. Maybe I'll wait a bit. Chris idav <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Kx%n4.2791$h8.113141@wards...
Quoted text (17 lines)> Hello Bruce, > > Hah...!!!!! > > I knew it... > > "That bloody chicane..." > > Thank you God...I'm not the only one..... > > Monaco is a sure f***ing cure for constipation. > > The only horse-power that should be allowed around that place is the four > legged variety after all the place seems to have more straw bails than owt > else. > > Blink here or get an itchy arse and you may as well stick your head
between
Quoted text (26 lines)> your legs and kiss your knackers goodbye. > > One tough and deadly place. > > Jim Clark et all must of had balls of steel. > > idav > > > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I think that the N-ring IS winnable, Mr. Idav...........and it took me > more > > than six months just to complete a full-distance race then another six > > months before getting into the top three. :-) > > That's with a completely default GPL installation (other than sounds) I > > might add, and at F1 level. > > > > The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a full > > distance and have invariably come to grief at that bloody chichane after > the > > tunnel!!! > > > > The road courses are easy (relatively speaking, of course!) after
Monaco.
Quoted text (38 lines)> > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > idav <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7vZn4.2647$h8.108744@wards... > > > Don't laugh. > > > > > > It bloody can. > > > > > > NOTHING more dispiriting than watching a tail end charlie disappearing > in > > a > > > cloud of dust while I'm wrestling my jallopy with as much finesse as a > > > rasping fart. > > > > > > My motto...? > > > > > > Don't race on a track where there are too many bloody 1st gear bends. > > > > > > The ring didn't half tighten mine. > > > > > > Me, I only race now on Monza, Spa, Ost (ta very much Dave!!) Zand and > the > > > Glen. > > > > > > All the others drive me to drink. > > > > > > Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? > > > > > > If you have.....blimey..!!!!! > > > > > > You didn't cheat...? > > > > > > The only way I would come first is to become a bloody dodgem
car.....but
Quoted text (14 lines)> > > then again, I'd have to catch the fast buggers first. > > > > > > idav. > > > > > > Every day, in every way I'm getting slower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News > ==---------- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the
World! > > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers > ==----- > >
Tony Rickard 09 Feb 2000 00:53 UTC#290208
"Graeme Nash" wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (8 lines)> > >Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? > > Yep :-) > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash
Bloody kids - too much time on their hands I say! Nice one Graeme :) Tony
Neo 09 Feb 2000 02:02 UTC#290220
On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 00:50:12 GMT, "The Mighty Puck" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hmmm. I was thinking about trying Monaco to improve my car handling skills >(me rank rank beginner). But since I've already freaked out my girlfriend >screaming "f*ckin f*ck'd f*ck*r's" over and over again just trying to do a >novice race at Monza without ctl-r. Maybe I'll wait a bit. Actually, the two tracks are entirely different and well worth learning on. Monza will teach you the best way to push the pedal to the metal and powerslide through the corners, but Monaco will teach you how to handle to more difficult tracks, such as the great 'Ring. Neo
Neo 09 Feb 2000 02:19 UTC#290231
On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:46:25 -0000, "idav" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? Yes. Concentration and good knowledge of the best racing line is what helps the most. But in general I prefer the wide and open tracks, as they allow for more heart-stopping action, especially online. That's why Spa is my personal favourite. Neo
Neo 09 Feb 2000 02:19 UTC#290232
On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:45:39 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a full >distance and have invariably come to grief at that bloody chichane after the >tunnel!!! It's the hill leading to the chicane which is the biggest problem. It steps the weight and balance of the car right off. When I first began racing GPL this was the only car at Monaco which had me stressed out. It gets much easier once you figure out the best line through it and with a correct setup can be taken almost flat out. Neo
Chris Bloom 09 Feb 2000 04:08 UTC#290197
In article <87qm5r$5sq$[email hidden]>, Cossie <[email hidden]> wrote: >Can we take that chicane at Monaco flat out or do we have tobrake? The only F1 car I can get round Monaco in is the Honda. The way I go through the chicane is by lifting the throttle just before I go over the crest of the hill after the tunnel and then gliding down the hill on the right before letting the car run through the chicane. Getting on the power down the hill seems to upset the balance of the car and I always end up in a hay bail:) Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
(snip) ======================================== ...and high-tensile at that! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > Hello Bruce, > Hah...!!!!! > I knew it... > "That ***y chicane..." > Thank you God...I'm not the only one..... > Monaco is a sure f***ing cure for constipation. > The only horse-power that should be allowed around that place is the four > legged variety after all the place seems to have more straw bails than owt > else. > Blink here or get an itchy arse and you may as well stick your head between > your legs and kiss your knackers goodbye. > One tough and deadly place. > Jim Clark et all must of had balls of steel. > idav > > I think that the N-ring IS winnable, Mr. Idav...........and it took me > more > > than six months just to complete a full-distance race then another six > > months before getting into the top three. :-) > > That's with a completely default GPL installation (other than sounds) I > > might add, and at F1 level. > > The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a full > > distance and have invariably come to grief at that ***y chichane after > the > > tunnel!!! > > The road courses are easy (relatively speaking, of course!) after Monaco. > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > Don't laugh. > > > It ***y can. > > > NOTHING more dispiriting than watching a tail end charlie disappearing > in > > a > > > cloud of dust while I'm wrestling my jallopy with as much finesse as a > > > rasping fart. > > > My motto...? > > > Don't race on a track where there are too many ***y 1st gear bends. > > > The ring didn't half tighten mine. > > > Me, I only race now on Monza, Spa, Ost (ta very much Dave!!) Zand and > the > > > Glen. > > > All the others drive me to drink. > > > Has anyone here ever WON at the Ring...? > > > If you have.....blimey..!!!!! > > > You didn't cheat...? > > > The only way I would come first is to become a ***y dodgem car.....but > > > then again, I'd have to catch the fast ***s first. > > > idav. > > > Every day, in every way I'm getting slower. > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News > ==---------- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers > ==----- -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----
Chris Bloom 09 Feb 2000 13:34 UTC#290081
I might aswell add that daft hairpin at Rouen to the list! I either end up stopping 100 yards short, end up stuck between those half-tyres, or fly off at the corner before the hairpin under braking! Chris idav <[email hidden]> wrote in article <Kx%n4.2791$h8.113141@wards>...
Quoted text (14 lines)> Hello Bruce, > > Hah...!!!!! > > I knew it... > > "That bloody chicane..." > > Thank you God...I'm not the only one..... > > Monaco is a sure f***ing cure for constipation. > > The only horse-power that should be allowed around that place is the four > legged variety after all the place seems to have more straw bails than
owt > else. > > Blink here or get an itchy arse and you may as well stick your headbetween
Quoted text (15 lines)> your legs and kiss your knackers goodbye. > > One tough and deadly place. > > Jim Clark et all must of had balls of steel. > > idav > > > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > The one I have problems with is Monaco......I have NEVER finished a
full > > distance and have invariably come to grief at that bloody chichaneafter > the > > tunnel!!! > >
Uncle Fester 09 Feb 2000 14:19 UTC#290137
Chris Bloom wrote: > > I might aswell add that daft hairpin at Rouen to the list! I either end up > stopping 100 yards short, end up stuck between those half-tyres, or fly off > at the corner before the hairpin under braking! > And I can't count the number of times I've run over & probably killed that flagman on the start. Seems he's standing in a bad place at this track. Isn't that hit & run? ;-0 -- /Chuck Kandler #70 /ChuckK on Won.net & WinVROC /K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 /The box said "Windows 0x5f or better", so I installed LINUX!
Bob Mina 09 Feb 2000 14:41 UTC#290140
Ahh... But the king of all corners for spectacular destruction and humilation for me has to be the kink at Spa. How many times have people here been billed by that nice Belgian family that lives in the village of Masta for house repairs? I've torn down their fence, knocked off the stoop, and ended up their living room on more than one occasion. Sometimes I even manage to bring another guy with me (Surtees, if he's on top of me *again* as we enter the thing...) Nice folks, really. Even though the father always says to me "You know, a slight leeft before you enter ze second hav of ze kink woodn't be bad, you know? You are no Woeger...." *sigh* B. "Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > I might aswell add that daft hairpin at Rouen to the list! I either endup > stopping 100 yards short, end up stuck between those half-tyres, or flyoff > at the corner before the hairpin under braking!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Lovely, Bob!!!! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > Ahh... > But the king of all corners for spectacular destruction and humilation for > me has to be the kink at Spa. > How many times have people here been billed by that nice Belgian family that > lives in the village of Masta for house repairs? I've torn down their > fence, knocked off the stoop, and ended up their living room on more than > one occasion. Sometimes I even manage to bring another guy with me > (Surtees, if he's on top of me *again* as we enter the thing...) > Nice folks, really. Even though the father always says to me "You know, a > slight leeft before you enter ze second hav of ze kink woodn't be bad, you > know? You are no Woeger...." > *sigh* > B. > > I might aswell add that daft hairpin at Rouen to the list! I either end > up > > stopping 100 yards short, end up stuck between those half-tyres, or fly > off > > at the corner before the hairpin under braking! -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----
J 11 Feb 2000#519017
His problem, not ours ;-) Jens >And I can't count the number of times I've run over & probably killed >that flagman on the start. Seems he's standing in a bad place at this >track. Isn't that hit & run? ;-0 --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address Visit my webpage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ for some serious stuff concerning: Radio controlled airplanes Racing simulation, esp. GPL Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor
EldredP 13 Feb 2000#519352
>Hmmm. I was thinking about trying Monaco to improve my car handling skills >(me rank rank beginner). But since I've already freaked out my girlfriend >screaming "f*ckin f*ck'd f*ck*r's" over and over again just trying to do a >novice race at Monza without ctl-r. Maybe I'll wait a bit. >Chris Maybe that's your problem. It's SHIFT-r...<g> :::ducking::: Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
EldredP 13 Feb 2000#519353
writes: The father's name is Werner. We're on a first name basis...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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