Re: Will Stallone's CART movie be an incentive to make a good CART simulator?

"Days of Thunder" + "The Professional" - (Sharon Stone) = FLOP In article <87scfj$c36$[email hidden]>, "rafal" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Hi everybody! > > I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie.If this > movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to thissport, > developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CARTracing > simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will bePapyrus; CART > simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'mjust

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rafal <[email hidden]> wrote: > Hi everybody! > > I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. Ifthis > movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to thissport, > developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing > simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus;CART > simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just > dreaming? There's already a cart simulator due for release next month, let's hope it's a good one! Screenshots look promising (for what it's worth...). http://www.gamesarena.com/karting/index1.html Ice D

Hi everybody! I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. If this movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to this sport, developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus; CART simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just dreaming? Greetings Rafal

I already predict a big movie flop.

>Why did Stallone abandon his excellent idea of dramatising F1 and the all >the glamour (drivers from all over the world, Monaco, etc.) in favour of >covering CART which doesn't even have Indy anymore? I smell Ecclestone's unsurpassed greed ...

Yes, we all know how lovingly generous these Hollywood meat boats are . . . --DK > >Why did Stallone abandon his excellent idea of dramatising F1 and the all > >the glamour (drivers from all over the world, Monaco, etc.) in favour of > >covering CART which doesn't even have Indy anymore? > I smell Ecclestone's unsurpassed greed ...

From seventhgear.com: http://www.seventhgear.com/Mcartic034.htm "Stallone said he will star as the old retired hero who comes back to coach the young star race driver who is bold, brash, fast, but things are not going his way. Like his Rocky movies, Stallone said the film will be about people, their fears, desires, emotions, trials, and tribulations. Boxing just happened to be his occupation. He has done an enormous amount of research for this project already for his previously announced F-1 movie. However, he stated Bernie Eccelstone had his own agenda which did not match his, so the deal was cancelled. He went on to say that was the best thing that could have happened, as he did not realize that CART and its series was really much more about people and family than F-1, and fits into the storyline better." don [|]-(_)-[|]

Yeah, that sure looks like a champ car simulator...are go-karts champ cars??? I remember a confusion like that back when CART Prescision racing came out *Cough* (shitty game)... Nate

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> > Hi everybody! > > I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. If > this > > movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to this > sport, > > developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing > > simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus; > CART > > simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just > > dreaming? > There's already a cart simulator due for release next month, let's hope it's > a good one! Screenshots look promising (for what it's worth...). > http://www.gamesarena.com/karting/index1.html > Ice D

I already predict a big movie flop. rafal <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:87scfj$c36$[email hidden]... > Hi everybody! > > I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. Ifthis > movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to thissport, > developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing > simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus;CART

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> simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just > dreaming? > > Greetings > > Rafal > >

The original poster is referring to Cart (Champ Car racing) not Kart (as in go-kart). Ice D wrote in message <38a1d8c7$0$[email hidden]>...

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> >rafal <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Hi everybody! >> >> I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. If >this >> movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to this >sport, >> developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART

racing >> simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus; >CART >> simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just >> dreaming? > >There's already a cart simulator due for release next month, let's hopeit's

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>a good one! Screenshots look promising (for what it's worth...). > >http://www.gamesarena.com/karting/index1.html > >Ice D > > >

You surprise me about Stallone covering CART and not F1. Was his year spent following the F1 circus round the world just an excuse to get into all the Grand Prixs free at Bernie Ecclestones expense? Will he now follow CART around for 2000? CART has a limited marked worldwide due to TV coverage. In Europe CART is covered only by satellite broadcasters (Eurosport) as a rule, so doesn't have a huge TV market, whereas as most countries have a terrestrial deal to broadcast F1. I would say this is also true for Asia (except Japan) and Africa where F1 is broadcast more than F1. A CART movie would therefore be of interest to movie goers with an interest in motor racing in the States and the few motor racing nuts such as myself in the rest of the world (after all The Italian Job was such a great movie 'cos of the Minis in it!). Why did Stallone abandon his excellent idea of dramatising F1 and the all the glamour (drivers from all over the world, Monaco, etc.) in favour of covering CART which doesn't even have Indy anymore? I'm not putting CART down 'cos I think its an excellent motorsport, but it has a limited market being effectively an American Series! To answer your question, a game with a film endorsement may be a possibility! rafal <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:87scfj$c36$[email hidden]... > Hi everybody! > > I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. Ifthis > movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to thissport, > developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing > simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus;CART

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> simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just > dreaming? > > Greetings > > Rafal > >

If I read right on the speedvision web site, Stallone and Ecclestone couldn't work out all of the details for what would be in the movie, so Sly had to scrap F1 and go with CART for his film. If the script is decent, it'll do well; if the script is trash, it'll still make money off the people going to see any Stallone film. I can only hope for a new CART sim. David James wrote:

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> You surprise me about Stallone covering CART and not F1. Was his year spent > following the F1 circus round the world just an excuse to get into all the > Grand Prixs free at Bernie Ecclestones expense? Will he now follow CART > around for 2000? > > CART has a limited marked worldwide due to TV coverage. In Europe CART is > covered only by satellite broadcasters (Eurosport) as a rule, so doesn't > have a huge TV market, whereas as most countries have a terrestrial deal to > broadcast F1. I would say this is also true for Asia (except Japan) and > Africa where F1 is broadcast more than F1. > A CART movie would therefore be of interest to movie goers with an interest > in motor racing in the States and the few motor racing nuts such as myself > in the rest of the world (after all The Italian Job was such a great movie > 'cos of the Minis in it!). > Why did Stallone abandon his excellent idea of dramatising F1 and the all > the glamour (drivers from all over the world, Monaco, etc.) in favour of > covering CART which doesn't even have Indy anymore? I'm not putting CART > down 'cos I think its an excellent motorsport, but it has a limited market > being effectively an American Series! > > To answer your question, a game with a film endorsement may be a > possibility! > rafal <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:87scfj$c36$[email hidden]... > > Hi everybody! > > > > I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. If > this > > movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to this > sport, > > developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing > > simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus; > CART > > simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just > > dreaming? > > > > Greetings > > > > Rafal > > > >

CART needs as much publicity as it can get......My guess is that CART offered to put up some of the money........Michigan in car shots on a 100 ft cinema screen will be cool..... No joy as to the CART sim.......Midway have exclusive (DOH!) rights to produce arcade and home versions of a cart game/sim.....but i read on the cart web site that they ' Plan to defy the laws of physics in making an exhilerating racing game....'..........or words to that effect.....check out the cart.com web site......:( pez >Hi everybody! >I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. If this >movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to this sport, >developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing >simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus; CART >simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just >dreaming? >Greetings >Rafal

> >Why did Stallone abandon his excellent idea of dramatising F1 and the all > >the glamour (drivers from all over the world, Monaco, etc.) in favour of > >covering CART which doesn't even have Indy anymore? As reported by www.autosport.com : [qoute] Sylvester Stallone's much touted racing film is going ahead in conjunction with the CART Champ Car series as its backdrop. Stallone, who has spent more than two years visiting Grands Prix for research, made the announcement at CART's pre season testing at Homestead. "I apologise to fans of Formula 1," said the former Rocky actor, "but there is a certain individual there who runs the sport that has his own agenda. "F1 is very formal, and it's very hard to get to know people. Here in CART it is much more open and that will be reflected in the film. " [/qoute] I guess the middle part says it all... dosn't it :-) Bernie.... go suck a brick! -- All the best, Ed Solheim The Paddock - a legendary site.... ** Proud member of the GPLEA **

If they do a sim based on the movie, won't they have to license the title etc... Think hard, name any sim/game besides tne last two James Bond games that are based on a movie that were quality titles. If you spend money buying a movie title, you can't use that money for development, and what we would get would be Test Drive 23 the Stallone Champ Car.... I am not opptimistic dave henrie

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> Hi everybody! > I've just read news that Sly instead of F1 movie will do CART movie. If this > movie will turn out to be a success and bring more attention to this sport, > developers may find it to be a wise idea to make a new, decent CART racing > simulator. Of course I hope that this developer's name will be Papyrus; CART > simulator with GPL engine - I love this idea!. Is it possible or I'm just > dreaming? > Greetings > Rafal

That's probably the idea - he can now spend a year in the CART pits! In 2001 - NASCAR! - Michael

> Yeah, that sure looks like a champ car simulator...are go-karts champ cars??? I > remember a confusion like that back when CART Prescision racing came out *Cough* > (shitty game)... Ahum, my mistake. Over here in Europe we're not familiar with CART (at least I'm not...), hence the mistake. Still, I'm looking forward to the go-kart game, could be a lot of fun. Ice D

Hey no problem man, I think Cart should get rid of that name and be able to call themselves Indy Cars, because that is what they really are, no matter what Tony George thinks...IRL sucks..long live CART!!!

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> > Yeah, that sure looks like a champ car simulator...are go-karts champ > cars??? I > > remember a confusion like that back when CART Prescision racing came out > *Cough* > > (shitty game)... > Ahum, my mistake. Over here in Europe we're not familiar with CART (at least > I'm not...), hence the mistake. Still, I'm looking forward to the go-kart > game, could be a lot of fun. > Ice D

Yeah, never mind that Tony George OWNS that significant little 2-1/2 mile oval at the corner of 16th and Georgetown, or the fact that CART hasn't raced at Indy in over half a decade now . . . Then again, maybe Bernie Ecclestone should start calling F1 cars "Indy Cars," too -- they're winged, open-wheel cars that look a bit like the cars that race in the Indianapolis 500, so I guess Bernie's boys would have as much right to calling themselves "Indy Cars" as the CART guys would. Although, come to think of it, F1 IS racing at that track at 16th and Georgetown this year, and CART isn't, so I guess F1 has more right to use the "Indy Car" than CART, not that I think about it. With regards to your suggestion that CART should change their name, I would recommend something definitive and defining like "Portland Cars" or "Laguna Seca Cars." Definitely NOT "Indy Cars," though, because I would think you would have to RACE at Indy before you could try to AFFILIATE yourself with Indy. BTW, do you have any clue as to how many current, active CART drivers have actually turned a wheel at the Brickyard (aside from 1999 Indy winner Kenny Brack, that is)? Get back to me on that one, and we'll see if there's any room to rant about CART having any rights to the "Indy" name. Then again, this lame, tired, old argument would be much more at home on the RASI board more than it does here in RAS, so for the sake of all the good people here, maybe you should just take it up THERE instead. -- John Bodin Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

> > Ahum, my mistake. Over here in Europe we're not familiar with CART (at least > > I'm not...), hence the mistake. Still, I'm looking forward to the go-kart > > game, could be a lot of fun. > Hey no problem man, I think Cart should get rid of that name and be able to call > themselves Indy Cars, because that is what they really are, no matter what Tony > George thinks...IRL sucks..long live CART!!! So what's the deal with those names? Is CART an abbreviation for something? Ice D

Championship Auto Racing Teams (CART) -- Jeff Murchison JR Screamers League Admin www.speakeasy.org/~jmurch > > > Ahum, my mistake. Over here in Europe we're not familiar with CART (at > least > > > I'm not...), hence the mistake. Still, I'm looking forward to the > go-kart > > > game, could be a lot of fun. > > Hey no problem man, I think Cart should get rid of that name and be able > to call > > themselves Indy Cars, because that is what they really are, no matter what > Tony > > George thinks...IRL sucks..long live CART!!! > So what's the deal with those names? Is CART an abbreviation for something? > Ice D

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>> > Ahum, my mistake. Over here in Europe we're not familiar with CART (at >least >> > I'm not...), hence the mistake. Still, I'm looking forward to the >go-kart >> > game, could be a lot of fun. >> Hey no problem man, I think Cart should get rid of that name and be able >to call >> themselves Indy Cars, because that is what they really are, no matter what >Tony >> George thinks...IRL sucks..long live CART!!! >So what's the deal with those names? Is CART an abbreviation for something? >Ice D

Championship Auto Racing (Teams??) re: Kart I saw on Speedvision M.S and some of the others in a Kart race playing around before the season starts. Which is imho why overall F1 drivers seem to do better here than Cart et all do in F1. As far as I see over here there is not a lot of close to the ground kart racing in an advanced level.

> I guess the middle part says it all... dosn't it :-) > Bernie.... go suck a brick! Ecclestone is such a ***. Instead of welcoming the free publicity to his sport that a film like this would bring, he throws up as many obstacles as he can. This is identical to the prohibitive licensing fees the FIA charges for simulations to use the actual F1 drivers/teams/tracks, which would also generate tons of free publicity. Their stance is baffling. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

I would love this movie absolutely unconditionally if they added one thing: John Frankenheimer as director. I still need to see Ronin for the car chase scene... :) -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 BRT #187 "Yeah you won't find me I'm going MIA Tonight I'm leaving Going MIA Getting lost in you again Is better than being known" -Foo Fighters, "MIA"

> Hey no problem man, I think Cart should get rid of that name and be able to call > themselves Indy Cars, because that is what they really are, no matter what Tony > George thinks...IRL sucks..long live CART!!! Fact is if they don't race Indy how can they be an Indy Car? Actually they are "champ" cars now. Alan

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> > > Yeah, that sure looks like a champ car simulator...are go-karts champ > > cars??? I > > > remember a confusion like that back when CART Prescision racing came out > > *Cough* > > > (shitty game)... > > Ahum, my mistake. Over here in Europe we're not familiar with CART (at least > > I'm not...), hence the mistake. Still, I'm looking forward to the go-kart > > game, could be a lot of fun. > > Ice D

They already have a neam,.. they've been calling them 'Champcars' for about 2 years now,... Theres even a magazine from Racer called "Champcar"..... Championship racing, Champcars,.. simple. Kinda like Grand Prix racing, Grand Prix cars,... It works quite well,... And yup, a new NG devoted specifically to cart,.... rec.autos.sport.cart Its a very good NG, with very little flame wars and lots of good racing discussion,.... CHAMPCARS,.. remember that name, because ina few years it will be on the lips of people all over the world,... (there soon will be new races in Germany, Mexico and England, as well as a rumoured race in Montreal, at Mont Tremablant, and in France)

Champ cars comes from the 60s when when USAC raced pavement and dirt for the championship. You had sprinters and Champioinship dirt cars and champ cars is the name that stuck for the bigger dirt cars of that era. Dave

Maybe hes planning to make a film himself and take all the profits for himself. I don't know what he's bothered about, hes got enough cash as it is. Hes already shafted all the F1 teams out of serious amounts of money!! > > I guess the middle part says it all... dosn't it :-) > > Bernie.... go suck a brick! > Ecclestone is such a ***. Instead of welcoming the free publicity to his > sport that a film like this would bring, he throws up as many obstacles as he > can. This is identical to the prohibitive licensing fees the FIA charges for

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> simulations to use the actual F1 drivers/teams/tracks, which would also > generate tons of free publicity. Their stance is baffling. > Dave Ewing > -- > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > *****************************************************

The new Stallone Cart film might just be the ticket for Sierra/Papyrus to finally do a new Cart sim. If the film is really good and is a ground breaking effort like "Grand Prix" was, then interest in racing and Cart in particular will reach new levels as movie goers would naturally want to see a real Cart race, and then hopefully get hooked. Joel Willstein

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>> I guess the middle part says it all... dosn't it :-) >> Bernie.... go suck a brick! >Ecclestone is such a ***. Instead of welcoming the free publicity to >his >sport that a film like this would bring, he throws up as many obstacles as he >can. This is identical to the prohibitive licensing fees the FIA charges for >simulations to use the actual F1 drivers/teams/tracks, which would also >generate tons of free publicity. Their stance is baffling. >Dave Ewing

Maybe he doesn't want to bring himself down to the level of 'common people'... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I don't think one can say "ground breaking" and Stallone in the same post. Hope I'm wrong though.

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> The new Stallone Cart film might just be the ticket for Sierra/Papyrus >to finally do a new Cart sim. If the film is really good and is a ground >breaking effort like "Grand Prix" was, then interest in racing and Cart in >particular will reach new levels as movie goers would naturally want to see >a real Cart race, and then hopefully get hooked. > Joel Willstein

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Maybe he meant head-breaking . . . > I don't think one can say "ground breaking" and Stallone in the same > post. Hope I'm wrong though. > > The new Stallone Cart film might just be the ticket for Sierra/Papyrus > >to finally do a new Cart sim. If the film is really good and is a ground > >breaking effort like "Grand Prix" was, then interest in racing and Cart in > >particular will reach new levels as movie goers would naturally want to see > >a real Cart race, and then hopefully get hooked. > > Joel Willstein > To email me remove the "u"s