Re: GPL can't beat opponents

On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:15:47 -0000, "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote: Do what I did ...use it for PRACTICING YOUR TECHNIQUE. THE powers that be that designed the darned sim thought we deserved (LOL) the true delight and REAL EXCITEMENTand EXPERIENCE of the real THING(NOW THERE IS THE REAL COP OUT!!) and didn't give us an AI adjustment in the sim. I think the LAZY CLOWNS didn't have the budget for it if you want MY OPINION! THE SIM LOST MONEY .... go figure. The guru's of the newsgroups have been hailing to the "Allison's" ever since. If anyone had owned the company and looked at the P&L statement , the owners would have been hunting the decision makers with DOGS, believe me. YOU JUST DON'T go into a venture such as this with the end result in mind to lose money! BUT, these morons DID! They loaded the chips so much against the sim, it was almost GUARANTEED to lose a TON, which IT DID! PAPY, SIERRA, and all the OTHER idiots who had the foresight about as long as their _ _ _ _ deserve what they got in the process, huge shake ups and the rattling around that seem to be never ending. Perhaps in the future they will take a little COMMON SENSE into consideration.

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>either that, or trying to drive too fast.... >Concentrate on being smooth and really learning the tracks until you can run >through them in your head and know all of your braking points by heart. (It >helped me, anyway) When you start worrying about how fast someone else is >going, you're no longer concentrating 100% on your own driving. > >Jon Andersen wrote in message <0eRt4.312$[email hidden]>... >>I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that there is a slight possibility >>that you simply are not driving fast enough..... >> >>Leigh Parmenter <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:897vm4$og0$[email hidden]... >>> Can anyone tell me how the hell your suppose to beat the opponents on >this >>> game, I have had it for a while now, and the best qualifing postion i can >>> get in the game is about 8 position and best finish is 7th. >>> I can't seem to keep up with the computer opponents, it's like I don't >>have >>> enough horse power. >>> >>> Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong. >>> >>> >> >> > >

oh, lord---not again . . . "Kermittalisman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:15:47 -0000, "Ace" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > Do what I did ...use it for PRACTICING YOUR TECHNIQUE. > > THE powers that be that designed the darned sim thought we deserved > (LOL) the true delight and REAL EXCITEMENTand EXPERIENCE of the real > THING(NOW THERE IS THE REAL COP OUT!!) and didn't give us an AI > adjustment in the sim. I think the LAZY CLOWNS didn't have the budget > for it if you want MY OPINION! THE SIM LOST MONEY .... go figure. > The guru's of the newsgroups have been hailing to the "Allison's" ever > since. If anyone had owned the company and looked at the P&L > statement , the owners would have been hunting the decision makers > with DOGS, believe me. YOU JUST DON'T go into a venture such as this > with the end result in mind to lose money! > > BUT, these morons DID! They loaded the chips so much against the > sim, it was almost GUARANTEED to lose a TON, which IT DID! PAPY, > SIERRA, and all the OTHER idiots who had the foresight about as long > as their _ _ _ _ deserve what they got in the process, huge shake ups > and the rattling around that seem to be never ending. > > Perhaps in the future they will take a little COMMON SENSE into > consideration. >

For people like you there is a new racingsim! It's called Race-Zork. - You're on a racetrack, what do you want to do? >win - Congratulations, you've won your race! Do you want to play another game? Remco P.S. Idea shameless copied from a flightsim post. [email hidden] (Kermittalisman) wrote: >On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:15:47 -0000, "Ace" <[email hidden]> >wrote: <Snip>

[email hidden] (Kermittalisman) wrote in <[email hidden]>: Let me guess Ace. You find GPL a little frustrating do you ?

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>On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:15:47 -0000, "Ace" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >Do what I did ...use it for PRACTICING YOUR TECHNIQUE. > >THE powers that be that designed the darned sim thought we deserved >(LOL) the true delight and REAL EXCITEMENTand EXPERIENCE of the real >THING(NOW THERE IS THE REAL COP OUT!!) and didn't give us an AI >adjustment in the sim. I think the LAZY CLOWNS didn't have the budget >for it if you want MY OPINION! THE SIM LOST MONEY .... go figure. >The guru's of the newsgroups have been hailing to the "Allison's" ever >since. If anyone had owned the company and looked at the P&L >statement , the owners would have been hunting the decision makers >with DOGS, believe me. YOU JUST DON'T go into a venture such as this >with the end result in mind to lose money! > >BUT, these morons DID! They loaded the chips so much against the >sim, it was almost GUARANTEED to lose a TON, which IT DID! PAPY, >SIERRA, and all the OTHER idiots who had the foresight about as long >as their _ _ _ _ deserve what they got in the process, huge shake ups >and the rattling around that seem to be never ending. > >Perhaps in the future they will take a little COMMON SENSE into >consideration. > >>either that, or trying to drive too fast.... >>Concentrate on being smooth and really learning the tracks until you

can run >>through them in your head and know all of your braking points by heart. > -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I can get through the tracks(Except Rouen and the Ring). If I'm not in > traffic, I'm consistent. Not FAST, but consistent. When I try to pick upthe > pace, I find all sorts of trouble. You might experiment with slightly slower entrance speeds when you seem to be all maxed out. At Malmedy, for example, coming in just a few mph slower lets me get on the gas sooner and stay in it the rest of the way through. With that long straight following, it makes a big, big difference in laptime. Same story at Burnenville; a little too fast into the second half puts you on the bad side of the road crown, and costs lots of speed. Ditto the Six Freres at Rouen; holding back from full throttle before apex gets me through at a notably higher average speed. I used to have to lift, which cost me more than I believed possible. (Can this be taken flat out? I've gotten all four into the dirt at exit with no ill effect.) Michael.

In article <899c73$9o3$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> writes: >either that, or trying to drive too fast.... >Concentrate on being smooth and really learning the tracks until you can run >through them in your head and know all of your braking points by heart. (It >helped me, anyway) When you start worrying about how fast someone else is >going, you're no longer concentrating 100% on your own driving. I can get through the tracks(Except Rouen and the Ring). If I'm not in traffic, I'm consistent. Not FAST, but consistent. When I try to pick up the pace, I find all sorts of trouble. Silverstone, for example. If I stay within my limits, I can run 1:35-1:36 all day(Cooper) If I try to push, I'm off(usually at Chapel or Abbey) and end up with a 1:38 or worse. If you're at your limits, how do you get faster? I've also compared my lap to another, but I didn't think it was helpful. The lap was driven with an Eagle, so it doesn't really compare. Can anybody using AH's Cooper setup send me a lap replay? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <38b78ae4$[email hidden]>, "Jon Crooke" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hi Leigh, > >GPL is simulation software as opposed to simulcade and arcade software. The >drivers you are driving against have names like Jim Clark, Jack Brabham and >Graham Hill. Your name is Leigh Parmenter and if all is correct in >simulation land, 7th position is a very good result. >All jokes aside with a car set-up that suits your driving style and with a >mistake free drive, they can be beaten, especially in longer races.

Sure, they can be beaten. If they BREAK...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No, Not at all, I find GPL very rewarding, but what I DO find annoying is when people snip things wrong, Read the earlier posts to this thread and see where it went pear shaped Don Scurlock wrote in message <8EE6C0A83dscurlock@news>...

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>[email hidden] (Kermittalisman) wrote in ><[email hidden]>: > >Let me guess Ace. You find GPL a little frustrating do you ? > > >>On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:15:47 -0000, "Ace" <[email hidden]> >>wrote: >> >>Do what I did ...use it for PRACTICING YOUR TECHNIQUE. >> >>THE powers that be that designed the darned sim thought we deserved >>(LOL) the true delight and REAL EXCITEMENTand EXPERIENCE of the real >>THING(NOW THERE IS THE REAL COP OUT!!) and didn't give us an AI >>adjustment in the sim. I think the LAZY CLOWNS didn't have the budget >>for it if you want MY OPINION! THE SIM LOST MONEY .... go figure. >>The guru's of the newsgroups have been hailing to the "Allison's" ever >>since. If anyone had owned the company and looked at the P&L >>statement , the owners would have been hunting the decision makers >>with DOGS, believe me. YOU JUST DON'T go into a venture such as this >>with the end result in mind to lose money! >> >>BUT, these morons DID! They loaded the chips so much against the >>sim, it was almost GUARANTEED to lose a TON, which IT DID! PAPY, >>SIERRA, and all the OTHER idiots who had the foresight about as long >>as their _ _ _ _ deserve what they got in the process, huge shake ups >>and the rattling around that seem to be never ending. >> >>Perhaps in the future they will take a little COMMON SENSE into >>consideration. >> >>>either that, or trying to drive too fast.... >>>Concentrate on being smooth and really learning the tracks until you >can run >>>through them in your head and know all of your braking points by >heart. >> > > >-- >Don Scurlock >Vancouver,B.C.

On 29 Feb 2000 03:13:36 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >If you're at >your limits, how do you get faster? I've also compared my lap to another, but >I didn't think it was helpful. The lap was driven with an Eagle, so it doesn't >really compare. Can anybody using AH's Cooper setup send me a lap replay? Race car driving is usually a series of plateaus where you slog away at it for some time and then suddenly have an epiphany which elevates you to a new level of competency behind the wheel. I'm stuck at a plateau right now myself in GPL. I'm suspicious that learning another track or two will help me break through, though. Some new stimulous to give different perspective. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

In article <[email hidden]>, "Michael Young" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I can get through the tracks(Except Rouen and the Ring). If I'm not in >> traffic, I'm consistent. Not FAST, but consistent. When I try to pick up >the >> pace, I find all sorts of trouble. > >You might experiment with slightly slower entrance speeds when you seem to >be all maxed out. At Malmedy, for example, coming in just a few mph slower >lets me get on the gas sooner and stay in it the rest of the way through. >With that long straight following, it makes a big, big difference in >laptime. Same story at Burnenville; a little too fast into the second half >puts you on the bad side of the road crown, and costs lots of speed. Ditto >the Six Freres at Rouen; holding back from full throttle before apex gets me >through at a notably higher average speed. I used to have to lift, which >cost me more than I believed possible. (Can this be taken flat out? I've >gotten all four into the dirt at exit with no ill effect.) > >Michael.

I keep hearing that, but apparently I can't do it. Entering a turn slower only results in me exiting slower... Besides, by comparing replays, I see that I'm *already* slower than everyone in the turns. I have to start slowing sooner, and I have to slow MORE. Something's wrong, clearly. As an example, I compared my lap at Spa. At Masta, my entering speed was about 10 mph slower. My exit speed was about *30* mph slower. I was able to gain about 10 mph in exit speed, but Enzo Ferrari wouldn't have been happy with the amout of machinery I tore up trying to DO it...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> >>>>> "Brett" == Brett C Cammack <[email hidden]> writes: > > Brett> On 29 Feb 2000 03:13:36 GMT, [email hidden] > > Brett> Race car driving is usually a series of plateaus where you > Brett> slog away at it for some time and then suddenly have an > Brett> epiphany which elevates you to a new level of competency > Brett> behind the wheel. I'm stuck at a plateau right now myself > Brett> in GPL. I'm suspicious that learning another track or two > Brett> will help me break through, though. Some new stimulous to > Brett> give different perspective. > > I went from 1:34.50 to 1:33.18 at Monza yesterday in the Eagle! > > I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau or > just bad? :-)) > > -peter

You have left the "I suck" plateau and ascended to the "I'm bad" plaueau. :o) -Bj�rn

In article <[email hidden]>, Leela <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>>>> "Brett" == Brett C Cammack <[email hidden]>writes:

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> > Brett> On 29 Feb 2000 03:13:36 GMT, [email hidden] > > Brett> Race car driving is usually a series of plateaus where you > Brett> slog away at it for some time and then suddenly have an > Brett> epiphany which elevates you to a new level of competency > Brett> behind the wheel. I'm stuck at a plateau right now myself > Brett> in GPL. I'm suspicious that learning another track or two > Brett> will help me break through, though. Some new stimulous to > Brett> give different perspective. > > I went from 1:34.50 to 1:33.18 at Monza yesterday in the Eagle! > > I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau or > just bad? :-))

This plateau phenomenum seems familiar to me. Sometime back I was stuck around the 1:35 point at Monza (driving Ferrari) - probably had a "one-off" best lap in the 1:34's that I could replicate. Then one day for no apparent reason (I initially put it down to new ForceRS drivers I'd just installed!) I ran off 5 consecutive laps in the 1:33's ending with a 1:33.00. However, I had to stop and when I came back the next day I was back in the 1:35s again - eventually I got back to 1:33's. My best now is 1:31.7 but that's a one-off as next best is probably in the 1:32's. There are definitely "tricks" to getting round various corners quickly that take time to learn but once they are "locked in" they can become 2nd nature thus the plateau-ing until you find the next trick. Also, I think you need time/practice to lock the feel of the corners into your mind and keep it there. I currently seem to have lost the recipe for getting round the Curva Grande with out losing speed + I know on my fastest laps I go through the Lesmos faster than I normally do. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

[email hidden] (Leela) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >I went from 1:34.50 to 1:33.18 at Monza yesterday in the Eagle! > >I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau or >just bad? :-)) It depends if you can do it again. (Now there's a helpful answer...) For ages, I was stuck at 1:32.50 or thereabouts at Silverstone (in the Lotus). I downloaded a redlined gauge and suddenly jumped into consistent 1:31s. No idea why it made such a difference. Then I loaded James Pickup's Silverstone setup, tweaked it very slightly (I like oversteer) and now I'm doing fairly regular high 1:29s (hooray, I've finally beaten the testers somewhere other than Monza and the Glen!). My point is that little things can make a lot of difference, though I suspect confidence has a lot to do with it - if you *know* you can take Maggotts in fourth, you tend to get the line right. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

>>>>> "Brett" == Brett C Cammack <[email hidden]> writes: Brett> On 29 Feb 2000 03:13:36 GMT, [email hidden] Brett> Race car driving is usually a series of plateaus where you Brett> slog away at it for some time and then suddenly have an Brett> epiphany which elevates you to a new level of competency Brett> behind the wheel. I'm stuck at a plateau right now myself Brett> in GPL. I'm suspicious that learning another track or two Brett> will help me break through, though. Some new stimulous to Brett> give different perspective. I went from 1:34.50 to 1:33.18 at Monza yesterday in the Eagle! I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau or just bad? :-)) -peter

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> >>>>> "Brett" == Brett C Cammack <[email hidden]> writes: > > Brett> On 29 Feb 2000 03:13:36 GMT, [email hidden] > > Brett> Race car driving is usually a series of plateaus where you > Brett> slog away at it for some time and then suddenly have an > Brett> epiphany which elevates you to a new level of competency > Brett> behind the wheel. I'm stuck at a plateau right now myself > Brett> in GPL. I'm suspicious that learning another track or two > Brett> will help me break through, though. Some new stimulous to > Brett> give different perspective. > > I went from 1:34.50 to 1:33.18 at Monza yesterday in the Eagle! > > I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau or > just bad? :-))

Not to put you effort down or anything, but at Monza the real plateau is to get under 1:30. I've done it once in the eagle, and i've had GPL since the beginning :( But every improvement is a good one. Try the ring for some time to get a different challenge and get away from the strain practicing on only one trach will give you. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

>>>>> "Olav" == Olav K Malmin <[email hidden]> writes: >> I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau >> or just bad? :-)) Olav> Not to put you effort down or anything, but at Monza the Olav> real plateau is to get under 1:30. I've done it once in the Olav> eagle, and i've had GPL since the beginning :( I know. But I'm just beginning. I can finally go around for ten laps reasonably consistent. Just that took a long time. Olav> But every improvement is a good one. Try the ring for some Olav> time to get a different challenge and get away from the Olav> strain practicing on only one trach will give you. Yeah, the ring is beautiful. Only other track I have tried a little so far is Spa. -peter

>>>>> "Bj�rn" == Bj�rn Nyhl�n <[email hidden]> writes: Bj�rn> "Leela" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet >> >> I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau >> or just bad? :-)) >> >> -peter Bj�rn> You have left the "I suck" plateau and ascended to the "I'm Bj�rn> bad" plaueau. :o) LOL :-))) -peter

I think I have reached a similar situation at Monza although my palateau is much slower than anyone else's :O( Had a spell where I was able to run GPL for a good couple of hours or so each day and put in hundreds of laps to get down into the 1:30's but just couldn't seem to find anything more to enable me to get into the 1:29's. I'm pretty sure that my biggest problem is the Parabolica but no matter what I have tried I just can't get through there any quicker. As soon as I try braking later I just end up in the dirt. My speeds are now much more consistent than they ever used to be and I can run lap after lap within a couple of tenths of each other but I just can't seem to find that extra speed that so many others have managed. I have had an enforced break from simming for a couple of weeks now so am going to give it another bash but then might just try running some of the other tracks just for a change of scenery. Peter Hooper Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 29 Feb 2000 03:13:36 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >If you're at > >your limits, how do you get faster? I've also compared my lap toanother, but > >I didn't think it was helpful. The lap was driven with an Eagle, so itdoesn't > >really compare. Can anybody using AH's Cooper setup send me a lapreplay?

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> > Race car driving is usually a series of plateaus where you slog away > at it for some time and then suddenly have an epiphany which elevates > you to a new level of competency behind the wheel. I'm stuck at a > plateau right now myself in GPL. I'm suspicious that learning another > track or two will help me break through, though. Some new stimulous > to give different perspective. > > Regards, > Brett C. Cammack > That's Racing! Motorsports > Pompano Beach, FL

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> >>>>> "Brett" == Brett C Cammack <[email hidden]> writes: > > Brett> On 29 Feb 2000 03:13:36 GMT, [email hidden] > > Brett> Race car driving is usually a series of plateaus where you > Brett> slog away at it for some time and then suddenly have an > Brett> epiphany which elevates you to a new level of competency > Brett> behind the wheel. I'm stuck at a plateau right now myself > Brett> in GPL. I'm suspicious that learning another track or two > Brett> will help me break through, though. Some new stimulous to > Brett> give different perspective. > > I went from 1:34.50 to 1:33.18 at Monza yesterday in the Eagle! > > I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau or > just bad? :-))

heh, after about a day of running monza in various cars, I've just got my best time down to a high 1:32, and I can do 1:34 and below pretty consistently now. Word of advice : DON'T download the hotlappers setups and expect to go faster - expect to crash more ;) Andrew +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Andrew Busch | email : [email hidden] |+ PhD Student | + | Research Concentration in Speech, | Just when you think something is |+ Audio and Video Technology | idiot-proof, somebody builds a + | QUT, AUSTRALIA | better idiot. |+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+

Both <G> Sorry buddy---couldn't resist MS > >I was stuck at the +1:34.50 level for ages. Am I past a plateau or > >just bad? :-)) >