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"Dean Williams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi Tracey,
>
> Hang on... I'm putting on my flame proof suit.
>
> Okay, ready.
>
> I would like to offer you some suggestions. Take them or leave them.
These
> are just my opinions.
>
> 1. You don't need to shout. In you subject titles, like I just did to
> prove a point. And in you body of the post. It doesn't need to be bold
and
> large.
> 2. We don't need to be publicly challenged. Just quietly host a race at
> Talladega and people will join.
> 3. Think before you post. If others are getting the same impression of
you
> as I am, you might want to read your posts as if you were someone else
> before you actually send them. In my opinion, they are coming across WAY
to
> strong.
> 4. Relax
>
> 5. Your earlier posts states that you are 15 years old. I haven't driven
> against you, so I offer this suggestion as an assumption. Practice.
>
> I race against people that are in their 30's (myself included in this
> group), 40's and 50's. Papyrus has been building racing sims since
shortly
> after my daughter was born, which is around 1993 or 1994. A lot of the
> people I race against have been racing these sims since they first came
out.
> So that's at least 6 years of experience racing against computer cars. I
> don't think you are aware of a project by Papyrus call "Hawaii", but is
was
> at least 4 or 5 years ago, and TEN and NROS was a couple of years ago, so
> there are a lot of VERY experience online drivers out there (most of whom
I
> expect wouldn't join you in a race). That amounts to you being about 9
> years old when we all started racing Papyrus sims, and 12 or 13 years old
> when a lot of people were gaining valuable online racing experience.
>
> Racing online is a lot different from racing the AI. Once you've raced a
> track a few times, you know what the AI is going to do. Human beings are
> different. They're not just going to move over. You also have latency to
> deal with. If you see an opening at the bottom of the track, you can't
take
> it for fear of a communications "hiccup" that will throw the car into you.
> You have to make sure there is at last a couple of car widths before you
> make a move.
>
> Just join some races, get some experience. Try not to take anyone out,
and
> try to stay out of trouble. And there's more tracks out there than just
> Talladega, California and Michigan. Get some practice at the other tracks
> offline, in races long enought that you have to pit. and then join someone
> online at those tracks. A lot of these "experienced" people are great
> teachers. I have learned a lot from them. I have never won a race, or
> even gotten pole position in the leagues I run in. The best I've done is
a
> 3rd (at Talladega), but I am getting better.
>
> I don't mean any offence by this, this is just my opinions. So I
apologize
> if I have offended you.
>
> Dean (Decawi on WON)
>
>
Hi Tracey,
Hang on... I'm putting on my flame proof suit.
Okay, ready.
I would like to offer you some suggestions. Take them or leave them. These
are just my opinions.
1. You don't need to shout. In you subject titles, like I just did to
prove a point. And in you body of the post. It doesn't need to be bold and
large.
2. We don't need to be publicly challenged. Just quietly host a race at
Talladega and people will join.
3. Think before you post. If others are getting the same impression of you
as I am, you might want to read your posts as if you were someone else
before you actually send them. In my opinion, they are coming across WAY to
strong.
4. Relax
5. Your earlier posts states that you are 15 years old. I haven't driven
against you, so I offer this suggestion as an assumption. Practice.
I race against people that are in their 30's (myself included in this
group), 40's and 50's. Papyrus has been building racing sims since shortly
after my daughter was born, which is around 1993 or 1994. A lot of the
people I race against have been racing these sims since they first came out.
So that's at least 6 years of experience racing against computer cars. I
don't think you are aware of a project by Papyrus call "Hawaii", but is was
at least 4 or 5 years ago, and TEN and NROS was a couple of years ago, so
there are a lot of VERY experience online drivers out there (most of whom I
expect wouldn't join you in a race). That amounts to you being about 9
years old when we all started racing Papyrus sims, and 12 or 13 years old
when a lot of people were gaining valuable online racing experience.
Racing online is a lot different from racing the AI. Once you've raced a
track a few times, you know what the AI is going to do. Human beings are
different. They're not just going to move over. You also have latency to
deal with. If you see an opening at the bottom of the track, you can't take
it for fear of a communications "hiccup" that will throw the car into you.
You have to make sure there is at last a couple of car widths before you
make a move.
Just join some races, get some experience. Try not to take anyone out, and
try to stay out of trouble. And there's more tracks out there than just
Talladega, California and Michigan. Get some practice at the other tracks
offline, in races long enought that you have to pit. and then join someone
online at those tracks. A lot of these "experienced" people are great
teachers. I have learned a lot from them. I have never won a race, or
even gotten pole position in the leagues I run in. The best I've done is a
3rd (at Talladega), but I am getting better.
I don't mean any offence by this, this is just my opinions. So I apologize
if I have offended you.
Dean (Decawi on WON)
Hes gotta a point, Im 22 and been racing since nascar 1. When ten was shut
down with Nascar 2 my stats said I had done over 10,000 laps of racing in 1
year, Im sure alot of guys have more laps than me.
The best races I join are where every driver is patient, there arent many
races like that. Just be patient, a place like dega everyone can lead, just
not the first lap. (thats why so many people say for a rescrictor race you
want it to be as long as possible if you want fewer wrecks)
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Why is it everytime someone shows some interest or enthusiasm in this
sport that you snobby ass folks come on here and try to rob people's
happiness?
As far as I can see the guy didn't say anything wrong. he just showed
some liking for the sport and seemed happy about it. But no.. let's be
all serious shall we.. there shall be no happy online N3 players.
Get your heads out of your asses people. It's called a game, act like
it.
James "Gunslinger" Wohlever
"The object of war is not to die for your country
but to make the other bastard die for his"
-Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
http://techware.gtinsider.com
Oh shut up already :-)
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James Wohlever <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Why is it everytime someone shows some interest or enthusiasm in this
> sport that you snobby ass folks come on here and try to rob people's
> happiness?
>
> As far as I can see the guy didn't say anything wrong. he just showed
> some liking for the sport and seemed happy about it. But no.. let's be
> all serious shall we.. there shall be no happy online N3 players.
> Get your heads out of your asses people. It's called a game, act like
> it.
>
>
> James "Gunslinger" Wohlever
>
> "The object of war is not to die for your country
> but to make the other bastard die for his"
> -Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
>
> http://techware.gtinsider.com
Why is it everytime someone shows some interest or enthusiasm in this
sport that you snobby ass folks come on here and try to rob people's
happiness?
As far as I can see the guy didn't say anything wrong. he just showed
some liking for the sport and seemed happy about it. But no.. let's be
all serious shall we.. there shall be no happy online N3 players.
Get your heads out of your asses people. It's called a game, act like
it.
James "Gunslinger" Wohlever
"The object of war is not to die for your country
but to make the other bastard die for his"
-Gen. George S. Patton Jr.
http://techware.gtinsider.com
Good advice. But some people just like to be newsgroup police.
James Wohlever <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Why is it everytime someone shows some interest or enthusiasm in this > sport that you snobby ass folks come on here and try to rob people's > happiness? > > As far as I can see the guy didn't say anything wrong. he just showed > some liking for the sport and seemed happy about it. But no.. let's be > all serious shall we.. there shall be no happy online N3 players. > Get your heads out of your asses people. It's called a game, act like > it. > > > James "Gunslinger" Wohlever > > "The object of war is not to die for your country > but to make the other bastard die for his" > -Gen. George S. Patton Jr. > > http://techware.gtinsider.com
I just had to make some points here from another teen's view...
> The best races I join are where every driver is patient, there arent many
> races like that. Just be patient, a place like dega everyone can lead,just
> not the first lap. (thats why so many people say for a rescrictor raceyou
> want it to be as long as possible if you want fewer wrecks)
Yeah it gets really fricking annoying when online you get taken out or
everyone around you gets taken out so you're running alone for almost the
entire race...
> > I race against people that are in their 30's (myself included in this
> > group), 40's and 50's. Papyrus has been building racing sims since
> shortly
> > after my daughter was born, which is around 1993 or 1994. A lot of the
> > people I race against have been racing these sims since they first came
> out.
Maybe 1992 - when did Indianapolis 500 come out? I never had it, but have
heard of it, it's the very first Papy game.
I am sixteen - and I have also been racing these sims since they first came
out. First game ever installed on my first Windows PC (first two comps were
Macs)? Papyrus' Indy Car Racing. I also have N1, N2, ICR2, N99, GPL, N3,
and NL...did I mention that I'm 16?
> > So that's at least 6 years of experience racing against computer cars.I
> > don't think you are aware of a project by Papyrus call "Hawaii", but is
> was
> > at least 4 or 5 years ago
I remember that - only problem was that there weren't any local #s (and
being 12 you can't exactly go making long-distance calls all the time), only
had one phone line and a 14.4 modem.
>, and TEN and NROS was a couple of years ago, so
Never got on either of those - free online racing is the only online racing
for me!
> > there are a lot of VERY experience online drivers out there (most ofwhom
> I
> > expect wouldn't join you in a race).
Yeah, there are a LOT of experienced online drivers...I may not be one of
the greatest, but I consider myself a pretty good online driver (I guarantee
you I'd be a lot better if I could get cable/DSL and get more experience)
> >That amounts to you being about 9
> > years old when we all started racing Papyrus sims, and 12 or 13 yearsold
> > when a lot of people were gaining valuable online racing experience.
Yep. 10 years old, loved ICR1. Didn't start racing online until GPL tho.
> > Racing online is a lot different from racing the AI. Once you've raceda
> > track a few times, you know what the AI is going to do.
And we all know how lame NASCAR/ICR AI is!!!
> >Human beings are
> > different. They're not just going to move over. You also have latencyto
> > deal with. If you see an opening at the bottom of the track, you can't
> take
> > it for fear of a communications "hiccup" that will throw the car intoyou.
Holy crap I hate latency. Like I said, I really wish I could get broadband.
You're right about humans. However, sim racing isn't the only form of
racing where you learn what people really do. I have also been racing R/C
cars almost as long (got my first good one the Christmas after the PC IIRC)
and in any form of racing you can really learn what people do - some can't
drive worth beans, some drive just cheap, some give you the best race of
your life, and some just blow right past you.
> > You have to make sure there is at last a couple of car widths before you
> > make a move.
Yep, that's latency for you - makes it hard for side-by-side racing even at
tracks like Dega, I've been taken out with two carwidths between me and
another guy on the backstraight thanks to warp.
> > Just join some races, get some experience. Try not to take anyone out,
> and
> > try to stay out of trouble.
Best way in any motorracing to be fast? Yes, a good car helps, but 90% of
it is the DRIVER.
> > And there's more tracks out there than just
> > Talladega, California and Michigan.
Heck yeah!!! My favorite track, especially online: IRP. I like Atlanta,
Dover, and Indy too. (I really wish more people would race NL though - I
like it much more than N3.)
> >Get some practice at the other tracks
> > offline, in races long enought that you have to pit. and then joinsomeone
> > online at those tracks. A lot of these "experienced" people are great
> > teachers. I have learned a lot from them. I have never won a race,or
> > even gotten pole position in the leagues I run in. The best I've doneis
> a
> > 3rd (at Talladega), but I am getting better.
A nice thing in NL - Dega races up to 17 laps are easy no-stoppers, 18-19
lap races get technical trying to save tires (though a yellow means PIT),
and 20+ lap races are definitely pitstop races. Multiples of the previous
numbers are even better - a 43 lap race is two stops minimum.
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Nice reply Kirk. I'm impressed. I look forward to maybe turning some laps
with you some day. I can't imagine my 10 year old nephew racing ICR1.
He's a need for speed kind a kid. Get's off on wrecking cars.
I'm getting some decent connecitons with my 56K modem. Are you tweaking the
settings or do you have any utilities. I have one, and since I started
using it, my racing online has been way better. Not as good a my League
races mind you, but they've been ok. The utility I have is MiniSpeed. If
you don't have it, send me an email and I'll tell you were to get it.
Dean.
Kirk Lane wrote in message <89hmq1$4t5$[email hidden]>...
>
>I just had to make some points here from another teen's view...
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:25:45 -0600, "Greg Cisko"
<no.spam.email.for.me> wrote:
>Oh shut up already :-)
lol
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:25:45 -0600, "Greg Cisko"
>Oh shut up already :-)
lol
Who the hell are you ;)
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> Why is it everytime someone shows some interest or enthusiasm in this > sport that you snobby ass folks come on here and try to rob people's > happiness? > As far as I can see the guy didn't say anything wrong. he just showed > some liking for the sport and seemed happy about it. But no.. let's be > all serious shall we.. there shall be no happy online N3 players. > Get your heads out of your asses people. It's called a game, act like > it. > James "Gunslinger" Wohlever > "The object of war is not to die for your country > but to make the other bastard die for his" > -Gen. George S. Patton Jr. > http://techware.gtinsider.comWho the hell are you ;)
James Wohlever wrote:
